Open House

AK ji,
Thanks for this wonderful addition. My thanks to Han ji for initiating this idea.
I also join you in paying my respects to Sadashiv Amrapukar’ soul.

AK,
Joining in paying my respects to Sadashiv Amrpurkar. He will always be remembered as Rama Shetty. What a performance!
Thanks to Hans for proposing,to Sharmaji for pushing the idea of the open house.
And biggest thanks to you for responding so wonderfully I truly ditto Ashok ji views.

RIP Sadashiv Amrpurkar. The first recipient of Filmfare’s Best Actor in a villainous role.

For my knowledge enrichment and passion of old hindi songs, let me break the ice with the following questions.

Did Mukesh ever have sing a duet with Amirbhai Karnataki, Jagit Kaur or NoorJahan? Who is Noorjehan singing with Mukesh in Do Bhoond Pani under the music direction of Jaidev ?

Its really unfortunate that Mukesh is so unrepresented in above combos in spite of being the senior-most amongst many of his contemporaries .

I don’t have any clue of my own questions and also don’t know if its appropriate to ask such questions here, but as I said I just wanted to break the ice and get things moving.

Regards to all SOY members.

Mahesh ji,
You are right, Mukesh did not sing any song (as far as I know) with Jagjit Kaur, Noorjehan (Allah Wasai) or Amirbai Karnataki. But to keep the discussion moving I would like to add a few lines.

Mukesh and Amirbai Karnataki have worked together in two movies as playback singers. Mukesh rendered two solos, one duet with Zohrabai Ambalewali and two triads with Zoharabai Ambalewali and Geeta Roy in the film Preet Ka Geet (1950). Later in 1961, Mukesh sang two solos and Amirbai had one duet with Talat Mehmood in the film Matlabi Duniya.

Similarly Mukesh and Jagjit Kaur worked together as playback singers in only one film, Mutthi bhar chawal (1975). Mukesh had one solo and Jagjit Kaur rendered a duet with Mahendra Kapoor.

Venkataraman ji,

Allow me to state that Mukesh sang 5 songs with Zohrabai in 4 films
2 in neel kamal
1 each in Pagle,preet ka geet and Sartaj.

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Bhatia ji,
Thanks for reminding this beautiful song Do roz me from Pyar ki rahen.
I distinctly remember my mom, listening this song on 78 rpm record, on the other side was Asha’s gem Hum bhi is duniya me kya taqdeer lekar aaye hai.

AK ji,

Here is some information about Kanu ghosh, included by me in one of my articles…
” Kanu Ghosh worked as an assistant music director for movies like Do Bigha Zameen (1953), Madhumati (1958), Parakh (1960), Prem Patra (1962), Half Ticket(1962) and Annadatta (1972) etc etc
Kanu Ghosh’s songs were sung by the mellifluous voices of great playback singers like Manna Dey, Geeta Dutt, Mohammed Rafi, Mukesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Kishore Kumar, Asha Bhonsle, Alka Yagnik S. P. Balasubramaniam, Chitra, Kumar Sanu and Udit Narayan.
Prem Dhawan, Dev Kohli, Anand Bakshi, Javed Akhtar and Indeewar are some of the lyricists who penned the lyrics to some of his compositions.

Discography
Films
Naya Zamana (1957)
Pyar Ki Rahen (1959)
Do Roti-1957

After Television came to Bombay,kanu Ghosh joined Doordarshan as a music Director and was seen in many ” Sahgaan”s,conducting the orchestra.

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(Please see Arunji’s revised notes at #34 – AK)

Arunkumar Deshmukh ji , Thanks for the detailed information . I must confess that it was just a chance i picked up the Mukesh number and got so much involved in the sadness of the song. Now I find that his [ Kanu ghosh ] association with Salil Da during 60s was superb . And with others I will dig thru . Mumbaiker8 ji, thanks for sharing the feelings. right now I will listen to Asha’s song suggested by your goodself.

Mumbaikar ji,

Till about 1965,there was almost a free flow between the film artistes of India and Pakistan. During this period actresses like Meena(Shorey) did few films in India-though migrated to Pakistan,and Sheila Ramani did a film Anokhi in 1955 in Pakistan. Talat,Hemant,Geeta and Asha sang songs in Pakistani films. Most times the Pakistani crew used to come here,record the songs and go back. Composer Timir Baran Bhattacharya gave music to 2 West Pakistani films-Anokhi-55 and Fankaar-56 and Jog Biyog-70 in East Pakistan. So,really speaking there is no mystery at all about Asha’s song.
As far as the Noorjahan song is concerned,it seems there was another younger Noorjahan who sang few songs in Hindi films. She has no connection with the original Noorjaham. However not much information is available on this jr. Noorjehan.
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AK ji,

Several confusions to be cleared. I must come in now.
#8. You have forgotten to add the word “not” in the last line of the first para and changed the whole meaning of the sentence. How I wish what you have written was true.

#20 woh tera pyar ka gham was scored by Daan Singh of whom you already have a great post. You meant to say you need to collect more songs and make a post of Kanu Ghosh I suppose. I know you are not mixing up, but a single para will confuse readers.

#21 Arun Sir, Kanu Ghosh assisting Salim Sulaiman? I find it very hard to digest. Unfortunately, I don’t know much about Kanu Ghosh and I don’t care to know about new composers. Please clarify.

Arun Sir,

I am also doubtful of the singers name like SP, Chitra et. al. and even some of the lyric writers mentioned in your comment #21. When he composed independently for very few movies in late 50’s and early 60’s these names simply don’t add-up.

SOY family, From the list provided by Arunkumar Deshmukh it is clear that Kanu Ghosh mainly assisted Salil da from 1953 -71 . For Jagte raho and Madhumati I think Sebistian [Asst to SJ] was also there as assistant to Salil da.

Hi all, excuse me if this is an odd sounding post. I am trying to locate a classical song that used to come regularly in the DD era. Features a couple of singers in front of a Bengali aristocratic audience, feat. Rehman. Thunder and lightening happen in the song. Many thanks in advance

Continuation please…..

The movie is landmark because the titles show Shashi Kapoor as “introducing”.
This movie has a song rendered by Mukesh wherein he exceeds his own limit of vocal pathos which we commonly find in most of his sad songs.

Here is the gem..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbk_iQ-j5Co

Mahesh, Thanks for another gem of Mukesh song from ” Char Diwari “. Mukesh has given us many sad songs to cherrish . Some time you come across so many songs and you suddenly find hidden ones ; such as these ;which take you back down the memory lane and leave you spellbound and connect you to your younger days. ” Saranga teri yaad mein ” , ” Aaj rona parra to samjhe hasne ka mole kya hai”, “Dukhi man mere sun mera kahena “,” Sun ja pukar “, ” Aari mehto prem diwani mera dard na jaane koy ” , ” Guzra hua zamana aata nahi dobaara ” ,” Aye mere dileye nadan tu gam se na gabhrana ” ” So bar janam lenge ” ……… These are some the songs which are coming at random in my mind. Listning to them after a period of time is a great pleasure .

First, about the point raised by Mahesh. Lot of info has been given by Deshmukhji and Venkatramanji. About Amirbai I want to add that she sang in at least two more films in addition to those specified by Venkatramanji. These were Beete Din (1947) and Vidya (1948). In Beete Din Amirbai had five solos and Mukesh had one solo, but they did not have a duet together. Similarly in Vidya ( which was reverse of Sujata, where Dev Anand was low caste and Amirbai played the mother of Suraiyya ) Amirbai had three solos, while Mukesh had one solo and one duet with Suraiyya. It is a surprise that even after working together in 4 films they do not have a duet.

Mukesh had in fact duets with almost everyone of vintage era singers. Of the 152 songs of Mukesh from 1941 to 1950 – the list of which I have – 94 are duets. Of these 82 are male-female, 4 male-male and 8 mixed. Mukesh sang these 82 songs with a total of 20 female singers, starting with Nalini Jaywant. We do not find this variety in the later years. I agree with Mahesh that this period (which we call vintage era) of Mukesh or for that matter other singers needs to be mentioned more.

I am posting a song from Heer Ranjha released in 1970 in which Madan Mohan used three singers with panjabi background viz. Shamshad, Noorjehan and Jagjit Kaur. This was a marriage song and Noorjehan is unmistakeably singing there. Madan Mohan used them with special historic purpose. If Noorjehan came to sing this song, it is quite possible that Jaidev might have used her in Do Boond Paani with the same objective, because in that Mukesh song there is only one line sung by the female singer (from voice tone she does not appear to be Noorjehan).

Nache ang ve – Heer Ranjha (1970) – music Madan Mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78nCh0ak5I

I will come back with more later.

There is no end to new discoveries in the golden era of hfm. When I was looking for Mukesh duets, I saw that he has five duets with Surinder Kaur which he sang in two 1949 films Dada (music Nashad) and Sunehre Din (music Gyan Dutt). Sunehre Din I had downloaded earlier but had not seen. When I watched the duet ‘lo ji sun lo tumse kehte hain’, I found that in the video clip Rehana is listening a record of Raj Kapoor (who is singer in the fillm) and also in between singing along the song. Earlier I had watched such a song in Oonche Log where Feroz Khan listens to Lata song ‘haye re tere chanchal nainwa’ on transistor and hums the mukhda (in Mahendra Kapoor’s voice) and thought it the first such song. Both the Sunehre Din and Oonche Log songs are top class. From Sunehre Din I am giving the link of Shamshad solo ‘thandi thandi hawa jo aaye’. Listen how Shamshad modulates her voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFDAwB3KcI

In cpmment 11 AK referred to ‘manwa men pyar dole’ which I had listened on radio long back. Even in those days I had related its tune with Lata song ‘nainon men pyar dole’ from film Sheroo (1957) in which Madan Mohan gave music. Please listen if I am right or not:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNbenOIKRU

During the same research for Mukesh songs, I found this gem from film Gunjan (1948) sung by Nalini Jaywant. I had known that she sung a few songs, but had not known that she is such an accomplished singer. I was in fact stunned. On this level she could have competed with the best of singers and I am not sparing even Lata.
Jal barsaye nainwa man men kaisi aag lagi – music Ashok Ghosh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kgFT8TQMTk

Thanks Hans Ji for the additional information on Amirbai Karnataki (#43) which I was not aware of. Indeed it is surprising that even after working together in 4 films between 1947 and 1961 they did not have a duet.
Is Sitara who sang two duets with Mukesh in Dukh Sukh (1942) and Sitara (Kanpur) who sang a duet with Mukesh in Pugree (1948) one and the same person? Was there any other singer named Sitara beside Sitara (Kanpur) and the dancer/actror Sitara Devi? It seems Sitara (Kanpur) mader her debut in 1944 film Man ka Jeet. If they are two different singers then the number of female singers with whom Mukesh sang goes up to 21. Not that it matters. It will be good if somebody clarifies.
Another observation- Out of these 82 duets only 9/10 songs were rendered in the first half (1941-45) by Mukesh with 6 female singers. Besides Nalini Jaywant and Sitara, the other four female singers being Kusum, Naseem Akhtar,Mohantara Talpade and Hamida Bano.The lions share (70+) of the duets were rendered in the second half (1946-50) with 14/15 female singers. The co singers of Mukesh being Shamsad Begum, Lata Mangeshkar, Hamida Bano, Raajkumari, Geeta Roy, Zohrabai Ambalewali, Surendra Kaur, Suraiya, Asha Bhosle, Binapani Mukherjee, Susheela Rani, Husn Bano, Sitara (Kanpur), Premlata and Sulochan Kadam.
Thanks for posting the wonderful song Jal barsaye nainwa man men kaisi aag lagi by Nalini Jaywant. You are right she was too good.
Thanks too for bringing to our notice the similarity between the songs manwa men pyar dole and nainon men pyar dole. Nice find.

Mahesh ji,

Let me quote an interesting anecdote mentioned by G S Grewal in the Hindustan Times
“During a meeting with Khayyam Sahib and Jagjit Kaur in 1997, they narrated that once in the late 1950s, they were to pay an installment for their flat, and if they defaulted they would lose their flat; they tried their best, but got no help. Jagjit Kaur called Mukesh and explained, but he banged the phone down. Hardly had they recovered from the shock when Mukesh was at their door with the money. The reason for banging the phone down was he didn’t want to waste any more time!”

Bhatiaji (#46),

You are right this is a great gem of Rafi and is lesser known. In fact, there are so many of such gems which are not known even to his staunchest fans. Ravi was a music director for whom I have a great respect. He put in lot of hard work and was honest to the core to his job and he always tried to do justice to his music in each of his film irrespective of the banner or the grade of the film. He shared this quality with Naushad and Chitragupta, who also tried to give their best in each film.

The whole score of Nartaki is great, but I would mention another song by Asha from this film, ‘aaj duniya badi suhani hai’. I am providing link of both these gems for fellow readers:
Zindagi ke safar men – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RCUFSlNnbY
Aaj duniya badi – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5AR5c5gTM

hansji n bhatiaji , sharing two ravi n rafi songs : http://youtu.be/PVlsS7O61aQ
(ye waadiyaan ye fizayen from aaj aur kal -1963) and
http://youtu.be/9JUKCUwMnZE
(zara sun haseena-e- nazneen from kaun apna kaun paraya -1963)

Hansji & Arvindji, I fully agree with your observation. Indeed Ravi was one among the masters of soft music . The songs of Aaj aur kal ,Kaun apna kaun paraya, Nartaki, Ek saal, etc testify his creations. Yes; Being fav of B R Chopra ; he also worked with other top producers during his time . Many thanks for uploding these fab songs . Now these Rafi sahibs soft songs could also fit in the rendering style of Mohinder kapoor . Ravi favored both the singers for such songs . As already mentioned in some other post one of fav song is ” Itni haseen itni zawan raat ” from Aaj aur kal .

AKji, Continuing my search of forgotten MDs , I have come across one MD who was fav of K A Abbas and that is J P Kaushik . During mid 60s I remember to have seen Aasman mahal and liked its songs and gazal [ by Mohinder kapoor] Teri tahran hai shikayat teri and Aye raat zara ahista guzar [ by Geeta dutt ] . Today I came across a song by Mukesh ” Aaj gagan se chanda utter aya ” which seems to be a private song which is directed by Kaushik . The song is so good and resemble the likes of Anil biswas . MD seems to have taken slow exit for us to trace his melodies .

K S Bhatia ji,

Ref comment No.57

Here is an interview of composer J P Kaushik…
http://www.beetehuedin.blogspot.in/search/label/composer%20%3A%20J.P.Kaushik

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Arunji,

I found this song clip from film Parineeta on youtube. This song is not mentioned in HFGK. From the voice it appears Asha has sung it. The situation is also perfect as per film’s story. Meena Kumari has gone to the countryside Ashok Kumar is missing her. He listens to this song which is coming from the neighbouring house, where Meena used to come, so he goes to look for her but he finds the voice coming from a gramophone. But, their is a twist. In the film itself which is available on youtube, the sound of this whole scene alongwith the song is muted. What may be the story behind that. I had earlier seen this film long back on Doordarshan, when they showed a series of films by Bimal Roy, but cant remember whether the scene and song was there or not.

Kab tak rahoge aakhir yun door door humse – Parineeta (1953)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7wDE9QgGNs

I am looking to solve this mystery. Kindly help me. I also request all others to share if they know anything about this.

Hans ji,

I have always known Parineeta-53 as having only 6 songs(including a 2-part song,Chali Radhe Raani).
I have no information on this song. In all probabilities,it must be a deleted song from the film or recorded but not used-which explains why in the film the scene does not have sound.
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This is a question that has been puzzling me off and on. It seems to me that many of the popular Hindi film sons could have been sun by any of the top singers and still would have been popular. There are exceptions I think like Saigal. I wonder whether there are some songs where one gets the feeling that nobody else could have sung it that well and the song carries the signature of the singer rather than the rest of the crew and the make up the song, its role in the film etc. I am sure that there must be many by my knowledge and abilities for this sort of question are limited.

oops, Here is the well known song from Bambai ka babu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNp_LY13P4

AKji, Gaddeswarupji, Yes ; every established singer developed his /her own style and our repeated listening to their songs gets engraved in our mind . It is sort a of comfortable feeling when one associate a singer with a performer ; like mukesh and not kishore for Raj kapoor , Kishore and not subir sen for Dev anand . But there are certain songs of Rafi which could easily swaped by Mohinder kapoor , specially the songs composed by Ravi. Otherwise I think every singer has developed their own natural style; as times went by …..saigal , Pankaj malik , jagmohn , mukesh, surendra, shyam , durrani , ……..in that order .

Bhatia ji
Comment # 46 excuse me for the delayed reply.
Zindagi ke safar me akele the hum is one of my favourite, on my list of “must listen at least once in three months songs”, the other that comes to my mind right now, is Mere mehboob mere saath hi chalna hai tujhe from gyarah hazar ladkiyan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpAX9zQkns
I like the song mentioned by Arvind “Zara sun hasina e nazneen” a lot too. I think that song is also a playback singing marvel.

Sharmaji,
This time I am sorry for the late response.
Please pardon me for hijacking this comment from Mahendra Kapoor -Sahir Ludhianvi to Open House because the content is very much diverted.
Roshan is one of the two MDs you have cited, AK had mentioned about Mamta and Chandni Chowk again Roshan.
Bahu Beghum in one movie Roshan used similar tunes for two different all time great qawwalis.
Wafif hoon khoob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW0jYaIhbAY
and Dhoondh ke laoon kahan se mai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI9KQE1p-Vw

Thanks for the comments 66-69. The song linked in 67 is the sort of song I had in mind. My query actually came from a mistake; for a long time I thought that some of the cabaret songs in ‘Taxi Driver’ were by Geeta Dutt where as they were by Lata Mangeshkar. also in sons like ‘Jadugar balama’, I found both versions enchanting.

Bhatia ji,

Whenever I think of happy sad songs the song that comes to my mind is the Kala Pani song kya kahiye humen kya yaad aaya.
It is one of my favourite Asha songs I think she is outstanding in this, partciularly the sad part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtaP5fLyfeM

Ramaiya Vastavaiya ? Shree 420.

Will come up with more later.

Mumbaikar 8, AKji, Arvindersharmaji, Thanks for uploading these songs , they are really forgotten gems . I,myself , have heard practically all the songs of Kala pani but never heard the one contributed by Mumbaikerji . It is a rare song . Miss India duet … Zaun main kahan is also rare and so is Aaj ki raat from Kalidas. AKji , Nain dwar se woh man mehn aake …itself is a very intresting song. One can note Mukesh singing in a very heavy low base tone that intrestinglly matches C H Atma+ Sehgal combo and one can easily guess Chitragupta or S N Tripathy as its MD . But as Lata starts her lines It becomes a typical punjabi song of Hansraj behl.

1. Chunari sambhal gori….. from Baharon Ke Sapne. ( hint of gloom and then optimism)

2. Itna na mujhse tu pyar bada… Talat & Lata from Chhaya.

3. Aaj Na Chhodenge… Kishore Kumar & Lata – Kati Patang.

Incidentally all three feature the majestic Asha Parekh.

Nain dwar se aake wo man mein really tops the category I suppose.

AK, Mahesh,
I was thinking that too.
It na mujhse tu pyar bada, I think, goes in Din hai bahr ke ter mere ikraar ke Waqt song type!
Adding Shramajis Rafi Talat combo song from Aadmi, ( i prefer Rafi Talat to Rafi MK) kaisi haseen aaj baharon ki raat hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvQf_NaqBM4
and this beautiful Afsar song ( I am not sure as video is not available) but I feel a sad note in Suriya’s singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbnKr6pYL9s

AK,
Join you in paying respect to Sitara Devi, a true diva as you rightly described.
Performing ballet in Hulchul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxZwz0sD5w

Bhatiaji ,
comment #88
and what do we call this ?
three great songs one after another (movie:dekh kabira roya) !all sad ones !!
http://youtu.be/qHL9FxHJPlU

Mumbaikar8,
Thanks for the effort (comment 74) in looking for details about ‘nache ang ve’. But one thing beats me, why a great MD like Madan Mohan recalled Shamshad and Jagjit Kaur for special panjabi effects and to give a chorus singer Noorjehan the honour of singing with those singers. If it was not the original Noorjehan then he could have used Surinder Kaur for panjabi effect and she would also have been one more old legends.

Even in the Do Boond Pani song, there is just one line by that Noorjehan and the song is a background song. I dont know why was there any need to use a chorus singer for one line and that too a background song. And you know any duet singer gets the equal of the fellow duet singer. How the producer and director agreed to this in such a low budget film.

Hansji; Thank you for posting malti- track song . Likewise awara song ” Tere bina aag yeh chandni [ Lata] – Yeh nahi yeh nahi hai zindagi [ mana dey ] – Ghar aya mera pardesi [ Lataji ] ” can be considered as triple song in the catag. of Dekh Kabira Roya . But as AKji pointed out songs of DKR stands apart distinctly from all others .

While watching the link in 96, I windered who the choreographer was. One site credits Prem Dhawan, possibly indirectly influenced by Uday Shankar http://iyerbhaskar.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/movies-music-of-india-prem-dhawan/
P.S. When the number of comments reach 100 or so in this thread, I wonder whether it would be possible to start a number 2, 3 and so on so that one does not have to go too far down. Perhaps a summary at the end? Too easy to make requests!

AK ji,
There is a wealth of info stored in these comments by so many experts. We could have month-wise tags or in groups of 150-200 etc.
I would suggest this 2014 to end and we could start afresh from new year with more suggestions from experts.
My only request is to keep the serial number of the comments intact so that they can be referred in future.

For example #79, I promised a good list and came up with nothing.
This theme of happy-sad songs looks easy, but it is difficult to trace songs in the category.
Now, let me add one more by a even more majestic Asha Parekh from “Love in Tokyo”. “Mujhe tum mil gaye humdum, sahara ho to aisa……..”
The video is to be seen to be believed that it fits. Again, many may not agree with me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjievAzScsk

Arunji,
Thanks for the information. All of us readers benefit immensely from your vast knowledge. Maybe Nalini Jaywant was one of the pioneers of the tradition of Bollywood heroines marrying already married film personalities. In the HFGK a film named Phir Bhi Apna Hai is listed in 1946 list in which she worked. It is written there that this film was issued again in 1951 under the title Bhai Ka Pyar. Perhaps the first time it was not released. Can you guide us in this regard.

Hans ji,
Ref Comment No.109….

Film “Phir bhi apna hai” was made in 1945 and got censored in 1946.One must remember that HFGK lists films only after they are censored and NOT released.So.listing in HFGK guarantees that the film was censored but whether it was released after that or not is none of their business.
This film was made by Venus Pictures,Bombay and this was after Nalini and Virendra had got married.Nalini was now known as Mrs.Pankaja Desai,after marriage. The very fact that this film was released only in 1951,under the Title of Bhai ka Pyar,indicates the possibility that every effort was made by the Desai family to ensure that the film was not released in 1946. The family had not only thrown out Virendra,but also was angry on Nalini,so my guess is that this was a strong possibilty.
This also was ,possibly,a reason that Virendra decided that she worked only in his films.
In short,there was no Nalini film released between 43 to 48.
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Mumbaikerji, Arvindji; Here is one of my fav in similar type of songs category : ” Jhumti hai nazar jhumta hai pyar ” a Rafi- Asha duet from Hatim -tai { music O P Nayyar? } and ” Dil ki baazi jeet ke bhi haare ” a Rafi song from the unreleased movie Madan Majri [ 1961] with music by Sardar Malik . The songs seems to be inspired from SJ style .

AK,
‘Sajan ke naina jaadu baan’ is a wonderful song. Though it is used in mujra style, contents of its lyrics conform to the theme of folk songs sung by ladies (nowadays called lady sangeet) at the time of marriages, though the lyrics have been modified to fit a mujra. As you said earlier, there are a lot of happy looking songs in sad situations in our films, which is a distinct category.

In fact, Najma has a classy score. Sitara sings a very good song to tease Ashok Kumar. Ashok Kumar has two comic songs – using the same tune – based on the ghazal format, which are really good. Though Rafiq Ghazanavi may not be the first to put the ghazal to such use, we can safely say that SDB and Guru Dutt were not the first ones to make use of the ghazal in a different style in Baazi for ‘tadbeer se’. We may request our team or researchers to find such odd uses of the ghazal in hfm. For this purpose I am giving the links to both of them:

1. Tarsi hui hain muddat se ankhen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYhObMZSXdg

2. Mujhe jo khilate hain panon men mirchen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faQeWtWYIlY

Hans ji,
Ref. comment No. 116,

Chimanlal Desai,father of Virendra Desai,was the founder-owner of SAGAR MOVIETONE. So the family was very much in film line.

AZRA was the daughter of actress Sarojini (real name Roshan Ara. She was sister of actress/Heroine Indurani (real name Ishrat) who married Producer/Director Ramniklal Shah,partner of Mohan Studios) and Producer/Director Nanubhai Vakil. Husn bano had nothing to do with Azra.
All this information is given to me by the son of Ramniklal Shah and cousin of Azra. So it is authentic.
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Gaddeswarup ji,
Thanks for the information. Had a swift sneak.
“Bollywood Sounds: The Cosmopolitan Mediations of Hindi Film Song” appears to be an interesting book. The second and third chapter covers the emergence of film music and the songs of end colonial era and early post colonial era. The fourth chapter appears to be the most interesting one and is about the language and lyrics of Hindi films and also touches upon the importance of Goa musicians in developing the sound of Hindi film song and the change they brought in by introducing Western instruments, Harmony, and different styles like Jazz and Rock. Chapter 5, 6 and 7 mainly deals with the Hindi film music and songs from the 1970 to 2013.
Regards
NVR

Sorry to hear know the passing away of the veteran actor Deven Verma. Let me convey through this forum my homage to the departed soul.

Bhatiaji,
Back to similar songs
Banarasi Thug’s aaj mausam ki masti me gaye pawan went unnoticed in 1963 Iqbal Qureshi confident of his tune repeated it with added decoration ( SSW analysis would be helpful here) next year in Cha Cha Cha Ek Chameli ke mandve tale, this song is popular till date. I find aaj mausam ki masti me gaye pawan equally melodious.
Aaj mausam ki masti me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OgXDJsyMLM

Ek chameli le mandve tale Cha Cha Cha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnnQz6EOFDM#t=102

AKji, Mumbaikarji; Well said AKji. Mumbaiker must be having some Jadoo ki chhari that such songs are coming out so easily from her box . The two songs posted by Mumbaiker8 are really so close I could not find any diff. Even the interlude and other supporting rhythm are almost similar . I can recall mukhda of ” Do panchi do tinke dekho leke chale hain kahan ” a Kishore Aasha duet from Tapasya quite close to the mukhda of these song ; but not the full song . Iqbal qureshi has given us quite a melodious songs . I liked his music in Love in Shimla and that for Mukesh ‘s “Dar pe aaye hain kasam se ” . His another song ” yeh raat yeh tanhai phir aye ya na aaye aao shama jalake hum aaj mil ke gayen ” a Rafi aasha duet from [ ?] . Coming back to similar songs here is one more pair …..1 ” hone lagi hai raat jawan jaagte raho ” a film fare award winner song for aasha ji from Naina and….2 ” yun need se woh jaane chhaman yaad uthi hai ” a kishore song from Dard ka rishta . The similarity of both songs are because of the Raag [ basant ? ] .

AK, Bhatiaji,
Thanks for the nice words, have you ever heard “ Allah meherbaan to gadha pahalwan”? that truly applies to me:) whenever I am listening or searching, I land up with interesting songs. I am enjoying it.
I know I am not P C Sorcar and it is soon going to end.
Making hay while the sun shines:)
As I am on the roll, let me add one more.
S N Tripathi repeating his Jadoo of Roop Kumari in Jadoo Nagri.
Roop Kumari song Dekho udhat chand nikla gagan me Manna De and Geeta Sutt singing beautifully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WGe721gIE#t=10

Jadoo Nagari song Nigahon me tum ho, can you describe Lata’s singing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faLQe0h-7e4

AK ji , Arvindersharmaji, Mumbaikerji and SOY family ; We have been very well entertained by contributers on songs of two themes viz. ” similar songs ” and ” happy/ sad song combo” and let these be continued for some more time . Meanwhile I was thinking of another theme where a singer has sung only few words , or a small line of a stanza and rest of the song is by the main co singer . As a starter I can quote two songs : 1 . Door koi gaye dhun yeh sunaye ……..Here Lataji is the main singer and Rafi sahib contribution is only ” Hoji ho ho ho ” . 2 Woh chand khila woh taare hanse yeh raat ……by Lataji. Here also Mukesh sang only one short line ” Na samjhe woh anari hai ” and rest of the song is by Lataji . If permitted ; I throw this theme to the worthy fellows of the ” OPEN HOUSE ” for contribution and entertaining all of us. The ball is now in everyone’s court [ Yard ] .

K S Bhatia ji,
Apropos to your suggestion (comment 135) does this song fit the bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxaxXsV4KAU

Here Ashok Kumar joins Devika Rani in singing the lines ‘Badi neer bharan waari, aayi braj naari, baari baari matwaari’ and repeats the same lines again. Later he sings two more lines – ‘Badi gaari dene waari, dekhoon de toh sahi gari’ and punctuates with words like ‘Chal hat’ and ‘Jhatpat’.

Bhatiaji,
Asha creating wordless magic with Geeta in Sujata!
Bachpan ke din bhi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqKTTzvNOg

KS Bhatia Ji,
This catagory of songs, where one major singer is a filler was perhaps started in one of the Mukesh posts where some readers contributed, and I think this subject was taken in another post as well.
Now that you have again brought up the topic, let me contribute some more.
Hemant Kumar in the epic national song,
Vandemataram from ‘Anandmath’
Vande Mataram Anand Math Lata Hemant Bankim Origi…: http://youtu.be/xj1Iy4nRMkc

Lata contributing to the song in ‘Jis Desh Me Ganga Behti Hai’
Aa Ab Laut Chalen Nain – Jis Desh Mein Ganga Beht…: http://youtu.be/H8Fu_O7y-dg

Mahendra Kapoor contributing at the end in this song from ‘Gangs Jamuna’, without any acknowledgement.
HO RE HO RE JHANAN GHUNGHAR BAAJE – LATA – SHAKEE…: http://youtu.be/mYmx_7sjToY

Mohammed Rafi in the song from ‘Leader’
Leader – Daiya Re Daiya Laj Mohe Lage – Asha Bhon…: http://youtu.be/Jsvt1ikEC5M

Mukesh solos from Safar and Sangam have Sharmila Tagore and Vaijantimala respectively uttering a few words. I think there are a quite a few more like this.
Another top of the chart song for this theme would be the rare Saigal-Rafi song from Shahjahan 1946.

Here are some interesting observations.
In both the songs Door koyi gaaye and Nadi kinare sath hamare , Lata is the main singer, Rafi plays the second fiddle with minimal words, Shakeel Badayuni and Naushad provides the lyrics and music respectively.

Similarly Lata Mangeshkar, Hasrat Jaipuri and Shanker-Jaikishan are common to both the songs Woh chand khila and Panchhi banu udti phiroon.

In the songs presented by Sharmaji, Daiya re daiya laj mohe lage Rafi-Shakeel-Naushad combination and in the song Ho re ho re jhanan ghunghar baaje Lata-Shakeel-Naushad combination is at work.

As far as I know Mahendra Kapoor never rendered any song under Naushad’s baton (except one NFS). So it is all the more surprising that Naushad employed Mahendra Kapoor for a few seconds in the above mentioned song Ho re ho re jhanan ghunghar baaje.

Mahesh ji and Mubaikar8 ji (in keeping with her reputation) came out with two wonderful wordless magic. Here too one can observe that Asha Bhosle, Nutan, Majrooh Sultanpuri and S D Burman were common to both the songs.
Mahesh ji has made another fantastic addition. From Shahjehan . I am posting the song here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UvheB4dfcs

Bhatia ji, Mahesh Ji,

Continuing with the theme were a singer has sung only few words, or a small line of a stanza and rest of the song is by the main co singer let me pose a question. Can we include the songs, where one singer is singing and someone else utters a word /few words and not actually singing, under this theme?
Here is another song from the 40s where Manna Dey starts not with a small line as stated by you, but with a few lines of the first stanza and then Lata takes over. This too will fall short of the target, another bogey.

Madhur madhur naam bhaj re by Lata Mangeshkar and Manna Dey, Narasimha Avatar (1949), lyrics Narendra Sharma, music Vasant Desai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCJySlyEfwU

My previous shot (on Mahendra Kapoor) landed in a sand trap. Mahesh ji has scored a hole in one! As for theme songs are concerned, I am yet to go beyond a Bogey. At least I will have to score a face-saving Par. I will try with an Iron club for my next tee shot.

Venkataraman Ji, Sharmaji,
I think I will go will Mahesh on MK singing in Saathi, I remember MD singing bhoolja bhoolja in very high pitch, but that song is in Mukesh’s voice without that high pitched bhoolja bhoolja.
Deshmukhji is the only one who can help out with this.
I have two songs where in the beginning Rafi in sher and later lata taking over own her own.
I hope this will fit Bhatiaji’s bill.

Black Cat song mai tumhi se poochhti hoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJFs9Kh1GE#t=61

Baat ek raat ki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-lQ8hNVthc
Sheeshe ka ho ya patthat ka dil

Sorry for the incomplete comment.
Sharmaji I am with you on your views on K L Saigal-Rafi song from Shahjehan.
Let me add another song although it belongs to 1973. In the entire song Lata sings from 3:41 to 3:52 and again from 4:32 to 4:35 , altogether for 15 seconds. Hope this song will qualify for an Eagle if not a Double-eagle.
Meri dil ki jali hai aaj holi, by Manna Dey and Lata Mangeshkar, Pinjra (1973), lyrics Bharat Vyas, music Ram Kadam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KgRGICsuo

Venkataraman Ji,
I did not mean to say you were contradicting Mahesh.I am sorry if I sent that impression. I wanted to second Mahesh’s statement.
Thank you very much for the Saathi song upload, I tried but could not find it with MK’s bhoolja bhoolja.
Surprisingly it fits the bill of the theme too!

Yes ; every one is hitting bulls eye . As long as we are entertained , there is no question of missing the target or a bogey . I see there are many surprises in store in the worthy colleagues wardrobes and i am sure they will open their cards slowly. Till now so many hidden songs came up which were not heard earlier . To me the surprise no ..1 . was the saigal rafi combo [ also noted the yester years actor Jairaj at 3.15 ] , no 2 was MKs exit utterations of Ganga Jamuna song which till now i was thinking that it was Rafis voice. no.3. Lata chitalkar combo song from un heard movie 40 ………… And the beautiful melody ‘” Main tumhi se pucchhti hun ” from Black cat falling into this catag. Thanks Venketramanji for uploading the songs . Here is one more from my side ” Dharti se door badaloan ke pass aaja basale naya sansar aaja ” by Geeta and Aasha ji . Here geeta dutt is the main singer and aasha ji only giving humming support . The song is from Sangdil.

Bhatiaji, the Ganga Jamuna singer has not been finally settled as per me. It is least likely that it was Mahendra Kapoor. The singer could be Rafi or he could be Dilip himself. Rafi has sung quite a few songs in which he sounded like MK. I and AK discussed a few such songs in the Chitragupta article, you can listen to them. Dilip himself sang at least one song as duet with Lata in Musafir.

Another topic being discussed is the number of songs sung by MK for Naushad. So far as what I know he has sung 7 songs (excluding the Ganga Jamuna song) of which 4 are solos or chorus based solos, two are male-male duets and one male-female duet. The male-male duets from Aadmi and Sathi and the male-female duet from Ram aur Shyam have been mentioned. The Sohni Mahiwal song is well known. In Sunehra Sansar there are two versions (happy and sad) of the same song ‘is ghar men koi deewar nahin’. The remaining song is from film Ganwaar. The song is ‘woh kaun hai jo maan ki tarah’ – a chorus based solo.

Mumbaikar8 ji,

Re. comment no. 151…

The song ‘ jo chala gaya usse bhool ja’-Saathi-1968, does have Mahendra Kapoor in the begining. This is confirmed by HFGK as well as Raju Bharatan ji in his book ‘ Naushadnama’ pp 179.

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Wondering whether are some sort of unique occurrences “It happened only once” sort of things. I find that there is one duet by Geeta Dutt and Ashoka Kumar. Did they sing any more duets?. If not, are there similar rare occurrences?

Lata Suman Kalyanpur duet from ‘Chand’
Lata Mangeshkar & Suman Kalyanpur – Kabhi Aaj Kab…: http://youtu.be/28VvV7kbYTI

Sorry Gaddeswarup Ji,
I should have addressed you in the post as you initiated this interesting discussion, and no offense to dear Venkataraman Ji.

arvindsharmaji, No worries. I am an outsider in these discussions with very little knowledge of films, songs and Hindi. But I have always enjoyed Hindi film songs without knowing the language. This forum gives me chance to ask uninformed questions and better : links to many wonderful songs that I have not been aware of. With best regards,
Swarup

In my comments above, kindly read the first line as, ‘everyone amongst us must have heard’.
Regret typo error.

KS Bhatia Ji,
Thanks for your liking this beautiful song.
But to answer your question, I am not the right person.
We have Gaddeswarup Ji, Arun Kumar Deshmukh Ji, Hans Ji, and Venkataraman Ji, besides many other stalwarts, who can identify the actors of vintage era.
I am sure someone will come up with an answer.
I am merely an audio buff, who now trying to get familiar with vintage HFM.

Sharmaji,
Thanks for the beautiful song.
Bhatiaji, AK,
Some songs we think as duets are not, for example, in Raju Bharatan’s Naushadnama he mentions that, tu gnaga ki muaj mai, infact was a rafi solo it became a duet because HMV doctored it that way in 78 RPM record.The link to goole book and the song we all know!
http://books.google.com/books?id=mg09BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT146&lpg=PT146&dq=raju+bharatan+naushad+nama+rafi&source=bl&ots=EUa4OZt0zg&sig=D8EPlJ8wxHYW24DortHBs6q_sXU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n-6GVNScOoymyASpmoG4DA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=tu%20ganga&f=false
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiROhJjdlYg

AKJi at 174 “That leaves the cases where both the voices are equally weighty, but one just hums, or sings a few lines or words. …..The more interesting question is the musical or cinematic reasons for such innovation, and whether there were any ego issues in such cases.” Two cases I remember seem very different but ego considerations do not seem to be the cause. One is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X55NhTZ-gKs
The other is the famous Mubarak Begum-Talat duet (though some dispute whether it was Mubarak Begum) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3XdTVypwcI
But I do not know enough Hindi to judge the weight of the significance of words. I would guess, the reasons were mostly cinematic.

Sharmaji, (No. 166)
Lata, Meena, Usha has another song which is more famous ‘duniya men aaye hain to jeena hi padega’ from Mother India.

The Hemant Kapoor song is unique. Hemant was perhaps a ladies man. Very few of his songs are exclusively with male singers. As per the available record with me, besides the Sambandh song he has one duet with Rafi ‘dushmanon savdhan’ fromd Netaji Subhash Bose as per HFGK but in that duet Hemant’s voice is not audible. Another MM duet is with Ravi in film Yahudi ki Ladki, but I could not confirm because no such song was found on youtube.

Besides these there are five more songs of his with only male singers. One is in Kitna Badal Gaya Insaan with Ghulam Mohd and an unknown singer ‘paanv badhata chal’. He has 4 all male songs in Biwi Aur Makaan, which is a story of 5 friends, two of whom (Biswajeet and Keshto) play the role of wives of two of the others for getting a house on rent. This is a unique film in which there is no male female duet, though there is love affair with two daughters of the landlord.

I am mentioning this film in detail because it has three songs which conform to the ongoing themes. There is a song ‘khul simsim khullam khulla’ (with nonsensical lyrics to give it a comic touch) sung by Manna Dey, Hemant and Bula Gupta and this is picturised on Biswajeet who himself mimicks the other sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-mB8GBfAc

There is a song ‘bas mujhko muhabbat ho gai hai’ sung by Mukesh in ‘nain dwar se’ style and Talat, Hemant, Manna Dey and Joginder support him. While Mukesh sings in one tune the others sing in two different tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1JvRoI4E-k

In fact all the other three all male songs would fit some or the other theme and are funny also. So I will give links to them in a separate post.

wishing dilip kumar many happy returns of the day.sharing a madhumati song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkjfF11k7ls
(toote huye khwabon ne…)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fci06O4iQnw

And, now the Nightingale.

Talat-Lata in Adl-e-Jehangir 1955.

Yeh hansta hua karvan zindagi ka na poocho chala hai kidar – Hemant Kumar and Asha Bhosle
Will this song qualify?
Probably this song was discussed in one of the earlier posts. I cannot exactly recollect.
Another song is Main teri tamanna karta hoon from the film Khyber 1954 where Madhubala Zaveri repeats the line O jaaniyaan, O jaaniyaan, mera dil mujhko de. Mukesh was the main singer.

Many happy returns of the day to our great Dilip sahib ji . It is one of the reason that we are enjoying yester years melodies . And I wish to share one of my fav song ” Milte he ankhen dil hua diwana kisi ka ” from babul .

Thanks to Arvind for timely reminding us about Dilip Kumar birthday. I would give a link to the Dil Diya Dard Liya song ‘koi sagar dil ko’. A stalwart Rafi fan once told about an email to him by a friend, who was not particularly fond of Rafi, who said that Shakeel excelled himself in this song and has seen few better deep meaning lyrics than this song. He particularly mentioned the last antara of the ghazal.
Zindagi ke aaine ko tod do,
Ismen ab kuchh bhi nazar aata nahin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUzbWsZKdAs

What a pity that such great music by Naushad and the three ace solos by Rafi and the pairing of Dilip-Waheeda could not stop the film from being a flop.

watched, yet again, ‘DEVDAS’.the portion between 2:09:00 to 2:15:40
is incredibly intense !something similar in intensity to when madhubala is trying to take dilip to temple and his reluctance in AMAR.

http://youtu.be/5vTH16nAXhY

Venkataramanji,
Here is the Mukesh Madhubala Zhaveri song you cited earlier. I think it fits the bill. Let us wait for the final verdict by Bhatia sir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjzpqQC0COo#t=12

AK,
Good discovery!
Can you believe? I just discovered one.
RDB inspired by his father.
SDB Sitaron se aage chanda ki chandnika jadu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWAKJCjxQo#t=157
RDB Chala murari heo banne Do pal ki hai ye zindaani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D21eMxe2ooc#t=223

Mumbaikar8, Musafir khana song by geeta and rafi is really great and perfectly fits the bill; so also Venkatramanji’s Mukesh/ Madhubala Zhaveri song . The rendering with which rafi sahib sang for Johny Walker holds the perfection seal . I have a faint remembrance of a kishore / rafi song where kishore provided only the ” Yodlie ” part with rafi as main singer. I am unable to recollect the song and the movie [ picturised on Gope, Bhagwan?] . Anybody having an idea of the same? Your SDB/ RDB similar songs are really a surprise for me. It seems OK in the family .

Hans,
You have surely moved the comedy further let’s see how far others can take! Bhatiaji mentioned some Rafi Kishore song, I hope someone finds
it.
Bhatiaji,
We were discussing happy sad moods in a song.
This song from Kajal, the moods are not happy and sad but it is exactly opposite to one other, Asha is totally at peace while the Rafi absolutely restless inspite of being high .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCjosNCJwuA

Mumbaikar8; Excellent forgotten Kajal song; born again . This is really a magic of sahir/ ravi combo which shows how a melody is made without or least instrumental support . I think this song can easily be rated as one of the best of Aashaji/ Rafi sahib duet. Beautiful discovery.

Remembering Raj Kapoor and Shailender.
Irony! song of his last movie.
Sajan re jhooth mat bolo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiS4pgwXADQ

Hans,
In Biwi Aur Makan Rafi sang one song for Biswajeet under Hemant Kumar’s music direction,.
Jane kahan dekha hai kahan Dekha Hai Tumhe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkifmAo1JN4

Mumbaiker8; Simply superb song . I must confess I have not heard it earlier . Such rare songs are always joys for ever . During 60s and mid 60s there were quiet a few Lata/Asha duets which made grade in popularity charts of binaca geetmala during that time, Viz . 1 Choonhey na doongi main haath re najarion se ji bhar doongi 2. Yeh rangeen mahfil sharabi sharabi .etc

SOY family; So far so good ; We have really enjoyed listening to the most uncommon songs contributed in the three ” Themes ” Viz . … 1. Similar songs …2. Happy / Sad combo songs and 3. no word , few words, a liner , humming songs . The songs were really fantastic and I am sure the SOY family must have got really enriched by the various contribution . Two weeks from now we will be getting ready to welcome the New Year and for that, if permitted, I once again propose to offer one more theme ” Love call songs ” . In this theme the song can be happy or sad but must have a love call in the form of a word ; a line or a verse ; like 1. Aaja aaja … Tuj ko pukare mera pyar 2 Tumehn kasam hai mere dil ko na thukrao ……… O jane wale mudke jara dekhte jana [ shree 420] . I am sure every one will like this theme and as said before the ball is in every ones courtyard.

Two songs from my side …..1. ” Ayee thi raat josh e tamaana liye………… Sitaaron ki mehfil saji tum na aaye ” Lataji sad song from Udan khatola with music by Naushad …….2 . ” Rahega ishk tera khaak mein milake mujhe…….. Aa aabhi ja raat dhalne lagi chand chhupne chala ” Lataji ‘s song from Teesri kasam with music by Shanker jaikishan. Both these have beautiful lines before the main song. And both have timeless aging ; not to be forgotten having collectors items tag .

Gaddeswarupji,
AK is right and there is no reason he could be wrong because rain and sawan is such a common theme in Hindi films that it would be foolhardy to think that there would not be a rain song until 1943. There are a lot of songs from 1931 which suggest they were rain songs as AK said and he has given video evidence also. I know of a song from Aurat (music Anil Biswas) which was a rain song.

Gagri sookhi bail piyasa – Aurat ( 1940) – lyrics Safdar Aah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg6UCpNZLTI

These lines ‘gagri sookhi bail piyasa’ were later used in Sitaron Se Aage as starting lines for a song composed by SDB. Song was written by Majrooh.

Sambhal ke ye duniya hai – Sitaron Se Aage 1958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVkQnD9f0Gc

The article in the link talks about research, but there is hardly any research. Most of the facts have been taken from books written about the History of films and wherever they have tried to take guesses of their own, they are wild ones. AK and Bhatiaji have referred to some of these.

AK,
You are right about the first female MD. The first female MD as per HFGK is Israt Sultana who gave music for Adal-e-Jahangir in 1934. May be she was the famous actress Bibbo, whose real name was Israt Sultana. This Israt Sultana gave music in only one other film Qazzak Ki Ladki (1937) jointly with another MD by the name of Samad. Bibbo acted opposite Surendra in the later film, but she did not act in the 1934 film. This riddle about Israt Sultana can be solved by Arunji only.

Mumbaikar8, (comment 211)
Prior to that Hemant used Rafi on Biswajeet in Do Dil (1965). He composed two solos and one duet picturised on Biswajeet and one solo on Mehmood which were sung by Rafi. One of the solos was ‘tera husn rahe mera ishq rahe’ – one of the most romantic songs. He also composed the most famous duet by Arati Mukherjee ‘sara mora kajra churaya tune’.

Regarding comment 118, which I could not reply earlier, Ashok Kumar was not a bad singer at all. You should consider that he came in an era of singing stars when the actors had to sing their own songs and music was in primitive stage. He sang what was given to him by MDs according to the prevalent style, which was based on the available instruments. Despite that he was the one who never tried to copy Sehgal and kept his own identity. His songs like ‘main ban ki chidiya’ and ‘radha radha pyari radha’ are still popular and are part of any collection of duets of vintage era. It is a shame that people like Kishore – whose life was made by Ashok Kumar – ridiculed his singing in his interview with Lata. I give a link to a solo by him in Achhut Kanya ‘peer peer kya karta re teri peer na jane koye’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFt6nxfNa38

ksbhatia ji,

Ref comment no.220…

The first film to be banned was The Mill aka Mazdoor- 1934. Later on,after few changes it was released on 9-5-1936,as Ghareeb Parwar aka Daya ki Devi.
The next to be banned was Jugnu-47. After a legal battle,it was released again.
Next was Shin shinaki Boobla Boo-1952. This too fought a legal case and won after 1 year.
Next was Begunah-57.

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Arunkumar deshmukh , Thanks for the information. I think Beghuna was the only movie which was released for only two or three days, then withdrawn and there after it was banned and never re-released ; though its songs were released and some of them are on the YT .

Ak,
Bibbo gave music in 1934, so she is clearly the Ist, but how can we decide who was second unless we know the release dates of films. Because in 1935 there were three female MDs who gave music in their 1st films. Saraswati Devi (Jawani Ki Hawa), Jaddan Bai (Misra Ka Sitara) and Munni Bai (Talash-e-Haq jointly with a male MD) gave music in films released in 1935. Saraswati Devi is well known because she gave music in many films across the 30s, and 40s and great music too.

Arvind,
Great discovery. I scanned through the film available on youtube and there is only one version in the film. Perhaps they recorded two versions for two situations and only one was used. The version used in the film has its own charm. This is like the Pyase Panchhi song by Mukesh which was posted by somebody recently. It has a second version with different wording which comes in the end of the film.

#231
Hansji,
some comments under the uploads hinted the lyrics (of the song….aao shama bujhake ham aaj dil jalayen….) ,possibly, running into trouble with the censors !!!!!!!!!……….

Hans’ji; It will be worth knowing as to who sang less songs on screen — Balraj sahni or Ashok kumar ?

Arunji,
Thanks for pointing out the mix-up between Jaddanbai and Munnibai and also for other additional information.

But, Munnibai was not the only MD who gave music in one film only. Almost half of the MDs who gave music in 30s and 40s, were one film wonders.

Deciding which MD gave music on the basis of record numbers appears to me a faulty procedure. Because, in the 30s there were a number of films for which no records were issued due to the fact that music companies were not interested. Also in many cases records were issued very late, even after passage of 3-4 years from the date of release. I hope you agree to my viewpoint on this.

Bhatiaji,
Songs on Ashok Kumar and Balraj Sahni is a good subject for research. But, for this purpose we would have to exclude the songs in which Ashok Kumar was a singing star, because in that scenario he would far outnumber Balraj Sahni.

But, I would give here two songs each of the two actors which are unique in their own respect. Ashok first. We have seen actors are shown talking to their inner self when they are in some dilemma. In this song from Ek Saal (sab kuchh luta ke hosh men by Talat), Ashok Kumar is silent and his inner self sings the songs teasing him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9LDWNlNzLk

The second song is ‘phooon ke haar le lo’ which Ashok sings disguised as a florist to solve a murder mystery in the film Inspector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8wzqN0TdiU

Now, two sharabi songs picturised on Balraj Sahni. ‘Haan bura kiya hai huzoor maine’ from Dil Bhi Tera Hum Bhi Tere and ‘maine pee sharab’ from Naya Rasta.
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OFP4S9zEps
2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJDnDyDAUSY
The common thing in these two songs is that Balraj Sahni, who is considered a great actor is seen as quite deficient in playing a drunkard though the songs were picturised 10 years apart.

One thing about ‘main tumhin se poochhti hoon’. Mumbaikar8 mentioned this song in comment 151.

Hans ji,
Ref comment no.
I entirely agree with you about the Records and a count based on them point.
The more appropriate way would be to see which film was released first.
Shri Harmandir Singh Hamraz ji must be having some details,since each entry in HFGK is based on its censor certificate date. Thus ,this again is a question mark,because censored does not mean released,as we all know.
I will go into this indepth and may be I can come back with something substantial,hopefully.
The kind of probing we are doing here can lead to some results,I hope.
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Hans ji,

I found an extract from a book…
It was in an article by Arup Rai,on RMIM dated 7-12-95

“Regarding Saraswati Devi, she may have lost the first-female-Hindi-MD
title. Jaddan Bai (actress, singer, director and composer) gets that spot.
I forget the names of movies, but they would just have to be productions like
TALAASH-E-HAQ. These were also movies where the good mother was promoting her
own daughter, Baby Fatima Abdul Rashid. There were a few movies in this
period by Jaddan Bai. Another piece of mindless trivia. Jaddan Bai married
Uttamchand Mohanchand, a Bombay businessman who also decided to go by the name
Abdul Rashid. It is not surprising that his only daughter also had two names
(Fatima Rashid and Tejeshwari Mohan(chand)). The name that really stuck was
Nargis, a 6-letter N_ label that Mehboob Khan deemed auspicious for his
leading ladies. Mehboob applied this belief a second time when he
rechristened Farhaat Ezekiel as Nadira.

Enough of that distraction. Author and newsman T.J.S. George does a grand
job of describing THE LIFE AND TIMES OF NARGIS. I strongly recommend the
book. ”

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AK,
Here is the link to the interview of KK with Lata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49_XWga_O1k

People can draw their own conclusions after watching the interview. KK is clearly blaming Ashok for many things and that too without context. He is clearly ridiculing Ashok’s singing. I dont know where Ashok mocked his own singing ability. But, even if he did that KK had no business to ridicule him in public and nowhere he says he was doing that in fun. If some elder of my family mentioned his habits in fun, that does not give me the right to make fun of him in public.

I myself listened to a program in which Anoop Kumar mentioned how Ashok employed teachers to teach them singing and how he made efforts to improve their lives. Anoop gave a lot of credit to Ashok for their success.

KK says Ashok discouraged him singing and says Khem Chand Prakash and SDB gave him encouragement. But, who recommended KK to both of them. Though this is the video clip which nobody can deny, this is not the first time KK had made such remarks about Ashok. I have heard KK fans talk about Ashok in very derogatory terms for all the ills of KK career citing KK’s own quotes.

On the other hand Ashok has always spoken highly of KK’s singing abilities in public. If he was critical of KK privately, as an elder, to improve him can this be called discouragement.

Bhatiaji,
You have started listing songs of the two actors in earnest. But, it would perhaps be better if we leave out background songs, because they may be picturised on more than one person. I have an inkling that even after leaving out songs which Ashok himself sung he would win because of his long career and this may even be true if we take only songs after Balraj Sahni became active.

Here are two songs from Sangram (1950) in which music was given by C. Ramchandra.

Wo unka muskurana – Arun Kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEQF97_c72A
Ulfat ke jadoo ka dil men – Chitalkar, Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhxk2YqtTUI

Hans’ji; You are right . I think we should leave out the background songs and take the entry year of Balraj sahni as the datum for onscreen songs . The radio days songs of Jawab and Sangram posted above are beautiful. Till I explore on related songs I have some thing for all of SOY family; a duet song of Ashok kumar and Mumtaj akhtar from Najma [1943] with music by Rafiq ” nazar kucchh aaj aaisa aa raha hai ” . The heroin in the movie is Veena ; the famous actress of the yester years .

Bhatiaji,
Thanks for the appreciation and the beautiful song from Najma. Mumbaikar8 also considers Ashok Kumar’s singing in Najma great. In fact the whole score in that film is great and picturisation of the songs is also superb. AK considers ‘sajan ke naina jadu baan’ the best in the film and I agree too.

hansji,
bhatiaji,
sharing a rafi song from the movie sharabi (1964 )
(…mujhe le chalo aaj phir us gali mein….)

http://youtu.be/4lhJPvqXnFY

With reference to Hans Ji’s comment (250), its really sad that we tend to forget the anniversaries of the greats ; composers, lyricists, singers and other contributors about whom we discuss and read everyday and their creations have become a part of our lives.
Therefore I took the help of the site, atulsongsaday, where I found a comprehensive list of birth and death anniversaries of film personalities.
A pleasant find was the acknowledgement to Arunkumar Deshmukh Ji, who is a major contributory to this list (No surprises here).
I request the readers to visit the site once in a while for updates.
Taking my cues from the list, I have firstly taken a song by Vintage era composer Gyan Dutt ;
Tum sang akhiyan mila ke Sunehre Din Md Gyan D…: http://youtu.be/a8a8vY0iwlo

The great composer and the man responsible for Lata Mangeshkar becoming a household name, Khemchandra Prakash ;
Ghataa Ghanaghor Ghor More Machaave Shore Khurshi…: http://youtu.be/wK4oF4ibssY

Pandit Husnlal of Husnlal Bhagatram ;
Music By Husnlal Bhagatram (Aansoo 1953): http://youtu.be/vmooeV2iNf0

Music director Vinod ;
Meri barbadiyon par muskurane aa gaya koi. Sabz B…: http://youtu.be/W5E0mh6D95M

The great Sitar maestro Pandit Ravishankar ;
Sanware Sanware – Lata Mangeshkar: http://youtu.be/M3Bk5lpSYis

Song from ‘Goonj Uthi Shehnai’, penned by Bharat Vyas, composed by Vasant Desai and sung by Mohammed Rafi (all have anniversaries in December),
Kehdo Koi Na Kare Yahan Pyaar – Rafi Saheb – Goon…: http://youtu.be/zlKfxVN3XdA

Malika e tarannum Noorjahan with her song with Mohammed Rafi from ‘Jugnu’.
Yahan Badla Wafa ka Bewafai – JUGNU 1947 Mohammad…: http://youtu.be/-fd6kEoCmgo

Finally, Naushad with his all time favorite Mohammed Rafi from ‘Jadoo’.
PYAR KE SAGAR SE NIKLIBY MOHD RAFI,LSHAKEEL,M DNA…: http://youtu.be/IkA2uYieBAU

I wonder if there is a feature to put ‘like’ for comments, it may be useful later when quickly browsing through comments; namely those with larger number of likes will get a quicker look. Just a thought.

When I found the Miss Dulari song, I also found a Shamshad Begum version of Inhin logon ne which is also a folk song. The film is Himmat and MD Gobind Ram

Shamshad Begum version of Inhin logon ne 1941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QpprJJ1Ig

Shamshad version (Audio) – full song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noc6G2LgPWs

Gobind Ram also composed another version of this song picturised on Yakub for film Aabroo 1943

Yakub version from film Aabroo 1943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1C5qYLZrU

There is also part of the old version of Pakeejah picturised in 1956.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0DUX5ig3xY

Somewhat vague query. I remember a song I heard in Bombay early 70’s from 78 RPM with a friend (who passed away in the nineties) who was visiting from Andhra. He was very fascinated by the song and I remember only one line from the song ‘chit chor kaha’. Does anybody remember any song with such a line.

AKJi, The song is new to me but it is not the one though of similar vintage. I was too optimistic. But once before it worked. When I first arrived in Bombay in 1949, I enquired about a sonn which was haunting me for several years of which I remembered only one line. It was ‘jindagi denewale sun’. Thanks.

AK ji,

Raj Kapoor also sang ‘ Piya milne naveli jaay re’ in film Jail Yatra-1947,under the baton of MD-Ninu Mujumdar.

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SOY family; The year is slowly making way for the new year and hope fully we will have to add more chairs and benches for the new entrants in our nukkad/ adda . We hope to cross triple century [ 300 comments] . So listen to this beautiful number by Rafi sahib from the film ” Ek Saal ” ……. Kiske liyae ruka hai Kiske liye rukegaa Karna hai jo bhi karle Yeh waqt ja raha hai Yeh waqt ja raha hai …… Some one please upload this song for every one to enjoy both Rafi and Ravi’s creation of ‘time piece’ . My computer is malfunctioning on uploads .

ksbhatia sir : It seems people get extra musical when singing under nasha. My favourite is ‘Mohabbat mein aisi kadam’ from Anarkali with the hiccups for kicks!!

#256;#272
http://youtu.be/WMSHxAIippU
this kidar sharma penned song(1966), sung by mahesh chander, from the movie ….maikhana…. is about everything.maykhana;saki ;pyala;peenewala……
mahesh chander n his father master chander are well known for their sindhi songs.

http://youtu.be/e2rDaNq47a8
has mahesh chander singing for the movie: yeh to pathron ka shehar hai…………..
and this is rafi singing the same song…………..
http://youtu.be/EytZVCZO8VQ

Arvind ji ; Thanks for the uploads , the songs by mahesh chander is not less than any other gazal singers. Rafi sahib of course is master in any field . And Usha khanna did gave her very best ; overall a very refined classic touch .

Bhatiaji,
Thanks for reminding about Mahendra Kapoor. He and Ravi were both favourites of BR Chopra and that is the reason of their association, otherwise Ravi mostly used Rafi. Another film-maker who liked Kapoor was Manoj Kumar, though in the end he used Mukesh in the 70s till his death. Perhaps the MD who used him most was Kalyanji-Anandji who gave him more than 100 songs. OPN also used him quite a lot. Kapoor sang almost all types of songs efficiently. Since you mentioned Madan Mohan, I am posting a comical song from film Anpadh ‘sikandar ne porus se ki thi ladai’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0xBa8kr7TI

AK Ji,
Two more songs, where one singer totally dominates.
First by Rafi and Lata from ‘Meena Bazaar’, music Husnlal Bhagatram, where Rafi is the main singer and lata hums along wordlessly.
Duniya hai barbad dil ki Meena Bazaar Md Husan…: http://youtu.be/MEq4YsSAaPs
The second is by Geeta Dutt and Rafi from ‘Shrimati 420’, music O P Naiyyar.
In this song, the chirpy Geeta Dutt sings the song with Rafi playing the secondary role, saying achha, wah wah etc.
Arvind Ji,
I too like the singing of Mahesh Chandler. Its a pity that such a velvety voice was not used to its full potential.

Arvindersharma’ji , Fantastic songs and beautiful examples of ” Main singer singing along with other great singer – in a mini/ micro role .” Here is one more one repeated liner supportive role to the main singer song sung by Mohandra kapoor supported by Krishna kalle ” Mere sarkar meri ahoan ka asar dekh liya ” from Shikar .

Let me too pay my tributes to O P Nayyar on his birth anniversary. Aasman (1949) had some wonderful songs. I am posting the song mentioned by Bhatia’ji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PovD-ZkFr7c

SOY family ; Can someone tell me as to whether Dev anand ever acted in a movie with Naushad as its MD ? I faintly remember there was one but I have forgotten its name .

Hansji,
nice song
pradeep kumar chooses to stay away from beauty, mehmood opts to worship the beauty, shammi kapoor arrogantly teases the beauty ( haseen ho tum khuda nahi ho, tumhara sajda nahi karenge,,, badtameez,,,sj,,,1966) but Surendra knows the fact…no any man can rescue himself from the flames of beauty and ultimately his incineration is inevitable ( Shama dikhakar husn ke jalwe bana de jab diwana, jale na kyun parwana,,,,,,anokhi ada,,,naushad,,1948). 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swjYgE_k8Gs

Jhuke Jo Tere Naina…….. from Kangan 1971 under KA.

Mahendra Kapoor as main singer and Usha Khanna humming with no words. ( Quite a melodious song considering that it is from 70’s when lot of “noise” had crept in songs)

( I am not sure if anyone has posted this song earlier )

Arvind ‘ji; The wording of the song vide comments @ 233 was truly changed as per censor’s observations . Similar treatment was given to two more songs from Dhool ka phool and Main suhagan hoon . The wording ” Mujhe loot lo mere paas aake ” were changed to ” Mujhe ko mujhi se chheen lo mere paas aake ” . The edited version is quite clear in YT video . In Main suhagan hoon the wording ‘Tan bhi tera man bhi tera’ from the song ” Tu shokh kali main mast pawan ” was removed in the happy version of the song though it was there in the 78 rpm record . There was one more song from ” Preet na jaane reet ” which I am not able to recall now ; will report later on .

Bhatiaji,
Here is the link where Usha Khanna ji talks about her inspiration (check the audio at 1:46:00 onwards) –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubfPOLheK4&hd=1

SOY family ; Can someone help me in finding songs and other details of the movie of 60’s ” Flight to Assam ” starring Ranjan, Sunder, Maruuti etc. I think the movie was produced by Naresh kumar [ Rajendra kumar’s brother ] but I am not too sure. The heroine probably was Nishi ; again I am not sure .

Gaddeswarupji’s posers are really great. In this I think both AK and Mahesh are correct. My comment may sound crazy. But, AK is right because the tonal quality of the third voice matches that of Mukesh and Mahesh is also right because there is something missing. I would say that Mahesh’s logic that there is no mention about Mukesh singing in the first film or the absence of famed nasal effect do not clinch the case, because in the early period in some Mukesh songs no such effect is discernible.

My view is that Roshan himself has sung the end lines. Very few people know that Roshan sang in one film Maaldar (1951), the music for which was composed by Satish Bhatia. Roshan sang one solo and three duets with Usha Bhatia. Links for two of the duets are available on youtube. Here they are:

Rota hai mera dil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_R9OGt5uE

Aji hamari pehli mulaqat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6-I9t6E7zk

The voice in these songs and particularly in the first one matches that of Mukesh and it is quite possible that Roshan was the third singer. It is also logical because nobody would call a singer for one or two lines.

In the end I would thank Gaddeswarupji for posting the song from
Neki aur Badi, which is composed by Roshan in Punjabi Tappa style. This also shows that Roshan was well aware of the Panjabi style from the start. Some people think he copied OPN in ‘khanke to khanke’, which is not true. There is another duet in this film by Rajkumari and Asha ‘ram duhai hai’ in which Asha’s part is sung in English and there is subtle change in the music for both parts of the duet. Roshan was a real class by himself and that he showed even in his first film.

The lyrics of the song posted by Gaddeswarupji are also very funny. They show that lyricists like Kedar Sharma were sons of the soil in real terms. Amirbai asks ‘kyunji scent lagaya hai’ and the reply comes ‘tumko bula laye isko samjhaya hai’. Here he treats ‘scent’ as a messenger. There is another line ‘maine nathni daali hai, tumko nathne ki tarkeeb nikali hai’ which is a so meaningful with country wit in it and is a counter to the first two lines. Kindly let me know if the link between nathni and nathne is not understood and I would explain in the next post.

There is a post by Shri Arunkumar Deshmukh which disagrees with some of the information about singer Roshan above http://www.anmolfankaar.com/features/blog/321-same-name-confusions-part-3.html

AK Ji,
Your point 3 is exactly what I have been thinking about the issue.
Through by casual browsing of YouTube, I come across these songs some which fascinate me since they seem unusual. Even though I do not understanding the lyrics, I keep listening to them. Here are some more which may be better known.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qglcAY9j7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9FRMg4x6tI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfRzQZjNOcw

HANS ji, THANKS. that is where I first heard the song, I think. Unusual lyrics too.

Re your latest article on Holi songs, thanks for these beautiful songs, each one is a gem of its own kind.

There is one from “Phagun” which seems never to be included in any holi program. “Piya sang khelo holi phagun aayo re”. The film Phagun with Waheeda & Dharmendra was a very 70’s type story (why not, it was made in 1973). But somehow makes me nostalgic for the days of yore.

Keep doing the great work you do. Thank You.

Nasreen

AK,
Remembering Ghulam Mohamed on his death anniversary with two rare song
Lata in Hoor E Arb. Difficult to believe MD is not Naushad?
Sounds like Bachcan zara yeh zaman hai bura?
Asha and Rafi in Hazar Ratein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmY1fdSwT1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGTyHr6Yorw

AK,
The second link seems fine, its starts after .05 sec.
Once again I have expressed myself incorrectly, ( de mujhko zaban aur:)
I was not treating him as Naushad’s understudy, in fact I meant that this was GM signature music, he was the source of these types of songs when he assisted Naushad.
I feel, that at times, the assistant directors do more than they are credited for.

Probably well-known but new to me. All the songs from Darogaji I found were sun by Geeta Dutt, except for a mall voice in one for about 20 seconds. Did Geeta Dutt sing all the songs in Darogaji 1949?

Please read wondered in place of questioned:)

In continuation of Mumbaikar8’s similar tune post 319 and AK’s post regarding similar tunes and similar lyrics on Naushad/CR/Amirbai article, I am posting two pairs of songs which fall in this category. First there are two songs based on a traditional aarti tune. The first one is perhaps a traditional aarti itself, though in the movie it is credited to Bharat Vyas. May be he wrote it and it became so famous that it acquired the status of traditional aarti, because we dont find old recordings of this aarti or maybe it was there with some different antara. But, the tune perhaps existed because this tune was used by Hans Raj Behl in 1951 film Nakhre also. I am giving links to both the songs.
Ambe tu hai jagdmbe kali – Naratri (1955) – Rafi/Asha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gcxzC05-E
Koi dil na kisi se lagaye – Nakhre(1951) – Geeta Dutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuWozx-m4pg

The second song also has similar tune and uses the first line of mukhda with slight modification.
Agar dil kisi par lutaya na hota – Gauna(1950) – Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coBCKH7oBiw
Agar dil kisi se lagaya na hota – Bada Aadmi(1961) – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mylpUQI7_oo

Pendyala Nageswara Rao I was a famous MD in Telugu films with many original tunes. It seems that he provide music in a couple of dubbed films. The songs do not sound that great with too much Telugu influence. I found a couple, one from Bhagwan Balaji and another from Chakravarti Vikramaditya, both from early sixties. Does anybody know where the other songs are available. His name was spelt P.Nageshwar Rao. Here is one of the songs http://youtu.be/7Z4HzjATW7A

AKji, On trips to India, I usually collect film song cassettes and books on music. That song was on one of those cassettes and I was bowled over. Then I could not find it for a few years and later found it on YouTube. I do not know whether the video really adds to the charm of the song. One of the books I found that immensely liked was ‘Raga&Josh’ by Sheila Dhar.
Hansji,many thanks for the information.

While looking for good, but not so popular, songs I came across such song by Lata ji ‘ Maane na maane na balam pardesiya ‘ from ‘ Jagir’ with music by Madan mohan. The song is beautiful and testifies the magic touch of Lata / MM combo .

Two interesting links at the end of the article which are new to me http://www.iamin.in/en/jodhpur/news/jodhpur-based-painter-gets-singers-recognition-archives-history-digitising-old-song

Bhatiaji,
I am hijacking your Usha Khanna Shanker Jaikishen discussion back to open house.
Here I have three songs of Usha Khanna Madan Mohan and Shanker Jaikishen, all inspired by rock n roll.
Just see how similar they are, you can start singing with first and unintentionally move over to second and third.

Lets us start with Shankar Jaikishen in EK phool char kante,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkW8kJpYp98

Madan Mohan in Baap bete,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY5_CXFpVlI

and finally Usha Khanna in dil deke dekho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvfzi_J6FNw

Mumbaiker8; @ 343, Amazing! All three in the same musical mode . And all based on the 1957 hit ” Please stand by me diana ” by Paul anka ! The three movies were made between 1959 – 61 when the music as well as fashion were in the changing mode from classic to modern .During this period Rock and roll was becoming popular ; which again was a change from classy of Gene Keley to Elves Presley in Holliwood and from Raj kapoor of Anari to Shammi kapoor of Dil Deke Dekho . SJ followed this trend and came up with good numbers like …. ‘ Jan pehchan ho jeena aasan ho ‘ from Gumnam , ‘ Dekho ab to kis ko nahin hai khabar’ from Janwar . In between SJ gave some good instrumental numbers as club background music also . Incedently the club music piece of ‘ Love Marriage’ is almost same as that of Gumnam’s club music . Recalling Rock and roll there is one good number by Rafi ‘Lal lal gaal jaan pe hai babu’ from Mr X with music by N Dutta . I faintly remember one more ‘ Taalam tole kare ‘ with Kaamini kaushal dancing in the movie [ ?] with music by Madan mohan . After rock ‘n’ roll vanishing SJ built songs from their fav beats i.e. Waltz . I will change over to this subject ‘as times goes by’ .

Dear AK ji, Subhodh ji, In the list of forgotten composers, would request you to include 1 talented but under-rated composer Sajjad Hussein, who composed some of rare/unusual and beautiful songs. Of course “Ye Hawa Ye Raat Ye Chandni” by Talat mohd is 1 of them, but another one, my Favourite is “Kaali Kaali Raat Ye Bada Sataaye from Sainyan in 1951”. He was also an excellent Mandolin player ..pls refer “www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtkHzdEgIyM”

Satish’ji; Forgotten songs of the forgotten composers are the real gems hidden and well protected in AK’ji s treasured informative articles as indicated on the side bar. Go thru each, one by one and enjoy the richness of the great melodies of the for gotten era . Just now I was listening to Geeta dutt’s old melodious song from 1958 film Savera ‘ Maane na maane na maane na , tere bin mora jiya na maane ‘ with music by forgotten MD Sailesh . I am in a mode of finding more .

Listening to such songs in the evening or night is like prelude to a good night sleep . Remembering them is like giving respect to them .

I received ‘Encyclopedia of Telugu Cinema (1932-2000)’ by Dr. Vutukuri Venkata Satyanarayana. It was completed by him recently and not yet published. He kindly said that I can forward it to my friends. If anybody is interested, please let me know at anandaswarupg@gmail.com I already forwarded a the pdf file to Shri Arunkumar Deshmukh

Hans’ji , Thank you for the computer lesson . As a follow up I will try to send the song …… Maane na maane na maane na …..from Savera .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6y41qF3qU0

Hey I got it ! Thanks again. Another one for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qpIY3x2LM

Mumbaikar8,

This has turned out to be a good subject . I think every SOY member must be listening to some good / happy song before retiring to a good sleep , be it night or during lunch or during mid day nap . It will be a good idea to share such songs on and off as the time suits .

As a starter I am posting a very beautiful song by Lata ji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I40I7wRYOJo

Mumbaikar8, Your lata’s song is also one of my fav. song

Hansji,
It is in English over 4800 pages. Vutukuri spent over twenty years doing it alone. Probably he had a boring job. He has a Ph.d. In physics I think but in countries like Australia it is not so easy for Indians to get good jobs. He retired early. Some Telugu people I sent have started taking interest. It is possible that there may be corrections because earlier he was doing it alone.

My congratulations to Bhatia Ji for quickly absorbing Hans Ji’s tutorial.
May ka ‘Savera’ aur ‘thandi thandi hawa’.
Nice picks, Bhatia Ji.

Hans,
I cannot snooze or dismiss Jaag dile diwana I continue listening , by the time the song is over I get intoxicated too! With positive energy and am up and ready for the day:)

Joining arvind in remembering Manna da on this day, have so many of his songs on my favourite list. What a singer!
Adding two more, one filmy and one non filmy
Har taraf ab yehi afsane hai Hindustan Ki Qasam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaIvy3KiQg4

sawan ki rimjhim me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGsgxFN5eYs

Hans Ji,
Please listen to this song from 1: 59 onwards. The mukhda of this song seems to me the one you were not able to recall.
The clipping is a bad audio, but it was the only I could find.
BADNAAM BASTI.mpg: https://youtu.be/49jgo9dcJHw

Arvind, Arvinder sharma and Hans ji[s] ;

Thanks for boosting my confidence . Remembring Manna Dey and finding so difficult to choose his best songs . Known for his excellence in romantic duets, sad , classical, comedy etc. I will post few of his solo and duet songs of my liking – as one of his best :
1 Jeevan se lambe hain bandooh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbhwaNm09oY

2 Tu pyar ka saagar hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3_0FC43Ub8

3 Nain mele chaain kahan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouIunVC5Gz8

4 Lapak jhapak tu aa re badarwa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDr9g_x2nYk

5 Chham chham lo suno chhum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xINaQUN3tc

6 Kaal ka pahiya ghoome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvstFnIufj4

7 Ketki ghulab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcqmOaQSPDA

8 Sur na saje

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpVvfPKyjLM

9 Kaun aya mere maan ke dwaere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vcV7JGKpY

10 Puchho na kaise mainey raain beetaaiye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=376w1QPz07w

There are so many songs which i think will be fav. of each and every SoY member.

Sharmaji,
The song posted by you (363) has the same tune from 1.59, but I have listened it for the first time. So there is some other song. Some day that would come to mind.

Bhatiaji,
Wah. Hum aapse choke chhake ki umeed kar rahe the par aapne to donon ko milakar pura dassa(10) maar diya.

In cont . of #366 ; My catch of the Lunch time song ; A beautiful rendering by my fav. star of the yester years : Nutan

Ae mere humsafar ; rok apni najar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgTiTy95aLo

Hans ‘ji ; In one of the Inter University match between Rajasthan and IIT Delhi [ during 1967-68 ] P Sharma was the one who got me out by his beautiful googly . As far as fielding is concerned I suppose that fielders of those days never made efforts to dive and catch the ball to save runs or boundries ; probably to save on the laundry expenses. Test cricketer Ramesh Saxena used to go to Kotla cricket ground by D T C Bus ! One can imagine the Test match fee they used to get .

Here I would like to add a song by Rafi , Aasha and chorus from Boot Polish .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPTmsFITtT0

Bhatiaji,
I have a different view about fielding. Seventy five percent of diving in the deep is for tv consumption. You can reach every reachable ball by anticipation and running hard. The 60s, 70s and first half of 80s have seen the best of close catchers in world cricket history. They dived and came up with balls. Now close catchers dive to drop the ball.

This Nartaki song posted by you is my great favourite. Of the MDs I just adore Ravi and Chitragupta. They were the most simple souls who worked so hard and never worried about propaganda. But, whenever I remember Nartaki I cannot forget to listen the Asha song ‘aaj duniya badi suhani hai’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvJFuK_UYQM

Hans ji ; The Asha’s song ‘ aaj duniya badi suhani hai ‘ is a fab. song . Nartaki’s songs were all great . you may also like to hear Rafi’s song from Aaj aur kal ‘ Itni hasseen itni jawaan raat kya kareyen’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspnHWvms6E

Whistle blower in songs; well a sort of . Yes , over the years we have witnessed so many movies where a particular scene or situation in a song commands whistling ;be it funny , romantic or a friendly call etc. We have seen comedy films of Holywood’s greatest comedians ‘ Laurel and Hardy ‘ where in each films Laurel calls his buddy Hardy by ‘ twin whistles ‘ . In bolywood yester years actor Agha used whistles as catalyst to his comic scenes . In life whistling is usually considered some time as Bad , sometime considered as friendly call and sometime romantic etc. { In older times ; in winter ; whistling were used to make little babies pee in WC or even in washbasin .}. In hindi cinema it was mainly used to enhance romantic level of songs followed by dance numbers.

I am listing some of my such fav. songs for SoY family to enjoy, with a request to add more to this list.

1 Sham dhale khidki taale tum seete bajaana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfqN0ycALs
2 Nakharewali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1HHoXBLb4Q
3 Mera naam abdul rehman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMS5O-CBZQ
4 Main bombai ka babu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCl9IFKsz1E
5 Hum matwaale nau jawan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENC2bbnk-0w
6 Rahi mil gaye rahoan mein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLDRMV8S4w
7 Aankhoan mein kya ji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvELrZM1Rlc
8 Pyar ki kassam hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmoDFoAPXjo
9 Yeh kya kar daala tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq2MJUo0KkQ
10 Hum hain rahi pyar ke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvWPx63CYAQ

There are many such songs ; but I wish to know if such songs were there in vintage era .

Great list, Bhatiaji! I would like to add ‘Yeh hawa yeh nadi ka kinaara’ from Ghar Sansaar to the list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YguGUe6C4Hc

Ashwin Bhandarkar ‘ji; Thanks for uploading this beautiful lilting romantic song 0f the bygone era . The whole song commands the respect of the composer, singers , musicians as well as cinematographer and art directors. When you listen to such songs you are easily carried away to a very sound sleep in the night . This song I will take it as a prelude to my good night sleep .

In continuation of # 377 ; our ventures of songs , with melody support of beautiful ‘ whistle ‘ , digs into five more :

1 Hum panchhi mastane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQocao7ccg

2 Jane na nazar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ooNta8icg

3 Kisi ki muskurahtoan pe ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69pPYkGiEAQ

4 San san san wo chali hawa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xyEhkwdocQ

5 Sun sun sun zalima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xyEhkwdocQ

Any one coming up with vintage catag. ?

This should be somewhere in the series of multiple versions. Original film Jayasimha 1955 and the song a duet of Ravu Balasaraswati Devi and A.P. Komala. MD T.V. Raju
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jgZkx6xTbI
Hindi version Jaisingh 1959. I do not know whether it is a remake or dubbed Song by Lata and Usha Mangeshkar. Same tune but MD Ramesh Naidu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRr4eaOI7Hc&feature=youtu.be

Bhatia ji,
A beautiful mini post initiated by you befitting to be included in the multiple version songs series, given the number of songs posted by you.
You asked for some vintage songs.
Here is one very popular, perhaps overlooked by you.
This song from Shehnai, sung by Chitalkar and Meena Kapoor, music by C. Ramchandra acquired an iconic status, taking the country by storm.

https://youtu.be/-9a4NEtZDqI

The second one is from ‘Jaali Note’. sung by Rafi and Asha, music by OP Naiyyar.

https://youtu.be/0gz9tZUH82E

The third one is from ‘Shatranj’ sung by Lata and composed by C. Ramchandra.

https://youtu.be/CQhh2g6IKug

ksbhatiaji @361 , it seems to be a common practice those days with dubbed and remade films. I think that some studios had employees who did the change. In some dubbed films, you see a group of 3,4 like V.Sarala, E.Sankara Sastry, Parthsarathy, Kaila etc who are different from the original composers. Sometimes a person more familiar with Hindi will take over. Even in movies simultaneously made in Tamil, Telugu there are same tunes but differement music directors. The credit pts system has not evolved yet. Choreographers sometimes we’re not credited at all

Arvindersharma’ji @ 387 ; Lovely posting of rare songs. Finding more of vintage songs will be a great fun . I am posting five more songs of Golden era which may be of liking of all .

1. Chori chori ek ishara ho gaya hai…… by Rafi and ashaji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvrhDY0y73Y

2. kahan ja rahe the……………by Rafi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO1k1fZ-YYY

3. Albelaa main ek dil wala…… by Lataji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qElobYzsqNE

4. Dekh aasman mein chand muskaraiye … Kishore geeta duet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO281a2vYZA

5 Unse ripi tipi ho gayi ……by Rafi , Geeta dutt and chorus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hgyiqu_pwE

By the way who is Yodling in this song ? Any clue?

The song no.5 @ 393 be refered to . Yes; the yodlee in the song is done by non other than Rafi sahib . There are two more such songs where Rafi saheb has done yodling . One of such song I am posting here, the second one I am not able to recall .

Gussa fuzool hai hamein…… by Rafi and asha from Repoter raju .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_bmnUi7CA

AKji; Of course Kishore kumar is unbeatable in Yodelling . His style suited Dev Anand, Rajesh Khanna and kishore himself. It is only for the record to register that Rafi sang such songs . I think our other members would also want to know whether Mohindra kapoor or Talat ever sang yodlee songs. Arvinder sharma must be curious; I know.

….. A word about MD Manohar Khanna . He was lyricist for quite a number of movies of the 50s and wrote quite a number of songs for his daughter Usha Khanna movies of 60s and 70s as well . He was associated with MD Premnath in some of his films . I am not sure weather MD Premnath is same as actor Premnath of yester years . Some one to clarify pl.

Looking for Jagmohn’s songs

Bhatiaji, AK,
Hindi songs from Bengali movies! Set the ball rolling in other languages?
Rafi singing in Bengali movie Indrani, sabhi koochh lutakar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OShV-XNqd3I
Mubarak Begum singing gulzar’s ruke ruke se qadam in Salil Choudhary’s composition in lal Pather:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK-M4uHOf5M

Mumbaiker8, AKji, A very interesting and difficult subject; and in fact challenging also. Akji be ready to open your pendora box . Gulzar lyrics being used in bengali film has really bold me . Just now I can recall only tunes which were used in non hindi movies ; such as the one from Dil deke dekho :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A73E93stB9Q

AK (#399)
Can you tell me the reason why you think I am labouring my point too much. In my view, I have not done anything of the sort. It is natural that swimming against the stream is difficult. So a reply to a circulating myth has to be longer. Whatever the reason your statement would have been an insinuation against Rafi if it had went unanswered. You want me to agree with the fact that KK got associated with yodelling. I think my reply is already there. He got so associated with it because of the wish of his fans to compare him with Rafi and they clung to every straw for this purpose. On singing ability KK would find hard even to compete with Mahendra Kapoor. I have much to say but I am keeping it brief. But, can you or anybody else tell me in how many songs KK yodelled post 1971, because 85% of his songs were recorded post 71.

Hi! AK

This is a great site on old Hindi film music but why this site is so biased against R.D. Burman? Not even a single post on him so far! Anil Biswas who seems to be a darling composer of this site regarded R.D. Burman as the greatest all-rounder music director. I hope to see a post on the greatest all-rounder of Hindi film music soon.

Regards!

What a class discovery Mumbaikar8ji !!!! Sabhi kuchh lutaakar hue hum tumhare.. In a Bengali movie !! Terrific singing by Rafi..intoxicating !! You must post such precious discoveries in a mainstream post and not here in open house. And if possible you should make an article on such Hindi songs from other language movies. Thanks.

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks for remembering Hemant Kumar.

Here is different kind of song from film Lalten (1956), which starts as ‘dil ke hain shehzade hum hai surat bhale mawali ki’. But, the second line of mukhda is quite interesting which shows how popular Geeta Bali was in those days. The second line says ‘khali pocket rakhte hain par photo Geeta Bali ki’. The lyrics were written by Indeevar. Indeevar also wrote lyrics for another funny song ‘dil ka tatto ad jata hain gali dekh ke yaar ki’ (duet by Hemant-Geeta) in the same film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhHLN_2pVtY

Hans’ji; Thanks for the unique forgoton song of Lalten which I am hearing after 40 or 50 years . ‘ Khali pocket’ line was our fav. line during our school days also ; for the obvious reason that our daily allownce at that time was Do Aane. Of course those were enough for us to buy Chhole bhature, samosa and ballu shhaie . Geeta bali was one of our families fav. actress with Albela topping the chart .
I am remembering Hemant kumar’s soul stirring rendering ‘ Ganga aaye kahan se ‘ from Kabuliwala . It is one of the best composition by Salilda as well . And of course beautiful lyrics by Shailendra/ Gulzar ? .

Where I can find non filmy Hindi songs?

Jigensh, # 413
Thanks for the appreciation. Sorry for the delay.

ksbhatiaji, gaddeswarupji,
Missed Hemant Kumar’s birthday.
In continuation…. this soulful song from Khamoshi.
Humne dekhi un aankhon ki mahake khusboon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSRcxoDynJs&list=RDrSRcxoDynJs

joining , though belatedly, gaddeswarupji,hansji,ks bhatiaji,mumbaikar8 in remembering hemanta kumar on his b’day.
https://youtu.be/aAr_Q7qhR1M
(chhup gaya koi re/champakali/lata)
https://youtu.be/69dnqIFfrnE
(kuchh dil ne kaha/anupama/lata)

Hansji (at 426), both new to me. My knowledge of Hindi songs is not wide though I listen them frequently. This site has become a source for many wonderful new songs. The scene in the first is similar to the one in another song. Thanks.

……In continuation Three more sad songs from ‘ Badal ‘ by the same team:

1. Do din ke leye mehman yahan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiNRE2_jK8E

2. O anmol pyar bin mol bike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAF0rIqRRig

3. Rota hai mera dil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdCY17J-RWQ

Bhatiaji,
‘Soona soona hai jahan’ in comment 428, reminds me the tune of ‘mera dil ye pukare aaja’ from Nagin which came next year. The mood is also similar in both songs.

Hansji; Remember the song ” Mera chhota sa dekho yeh sansar hai ” by Lataji from Bhai bhai I had refered to in one of the artcle . I have come across one more song which quite closely resemble as another substitute of the original Tamil song .

Mori chham chham baje payaliya……… Lataji from Ghunghat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5dlOdaid4

Bhatiaji,
Beautiful waltz songs you have uploaded,
Dil Ki girah khol do is absolutely wonderful.
Our 1950 list has Naushad popular waltz song from Daastan

Tarari Yaarari

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKoiZEmP6dw
and the ultimate romantic from Pyasa Hum aap ki aankhon mein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTcsTd2kF0

ksbhatia ji,
Ref comment No 401

Actor Premnath and Composer Premnath were two different persons.
please read the details in this article-
http://www.anmolfankaar.com/features/blog/319-same-name-confusions-part-2.html
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I do not know under what category ‘ Bholi Surat’ from Albela comes. The tune sounds Indian, may be even basesdon some raga, the dance western, a radiant Gitabali and Bhagwan with his shuffle. I am sure it must have been discussed before. http://youtu.be/jHEXI3xHbGA

in continuation…….for…..Bechain dil khoi si nazar……..refer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgJHfW0ABo

Shailesh Mukharjee was sound recordist with Ameen Sayani in later years. Ameenji has mentioned this in one of volumes of Geetamala ki chhao mein.

I am sorry i thought Songs being discussed are from 51 to 59 and not 1950. All the songs I mentioned are from different years. i think your list of songs of 1950 is very exhaustive.

My evening music with cowboy snacks and posting one of their best duets ; Lataji / Rafi in Gateway of India ,music Madan mohan :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Q8B2jLvVM

Feeling sad on learning the demise of one of stalwart of the golden era, Sheila ramani , who in her times had appeared in many song and dance numbers of some beautiful movies [ particularly Navketan movies ] . My heart felt condolence to the family .

I think dil jale to jale would have been more apt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d__GZGpyt9k

well this one of my favorite

A selection of songs from Sheila Ramani films http://bmmann-filmyindia.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/profile-sheila-ramani-forgotten-actress.html

http://hindi-movies-songs.com/joomla/

Thanks A.K. I will look forward to the blog

Professor Booth, Would this be an example? http://youtu.be/ONhVXPh_kvQ

I can think of one from 1950 Chhoti Bhabhi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQDAlv0ZMNc
I am aware of some in sixties.

Salute to one of the greatest singer/actor on his birthday . Kishore ; The name itself spell laughing riots on the silver screen . The Kishore ‘s songs touched many heights ; be it sad, be it romantic or be it comic . His yodlling is another catalysis agent for fast numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvWPx63CYAQ

Hum hain rahi pyar ke…….from Nau do gyarahan …..is one of my fav. song. I liked his rendering in old classic New delhi as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZbZ2caxmc

My very favorite song of Jagmohan is Meri Ankhen bani Diwani with beaytiful lyric. Muze n sapano se bahalao is his song also I think. Another great one. There was an old LP of Jagmohan songs.

AK’ji;

There is a question which is long lingering in my mind for the so many years and that is……… Where to find the tunes of the great MDs which were composed by them and made their ways to so called Music Banks of the producers ? Are they easily available or have they been passed on to some custodians ? We know some MDs have given beautiful tunes , as background music in some movies; to be later composed as a song in movies [ to follow after certain period of time ] for that producer .

It was a good weekend to celebrate independence day along with family and friends ; had a good dose of songs for the occasion thru out the day. I was wondering and remembering one song which was beautifully sung by Rafi sahib in Ghera daag , an O P Ralhan movie of the mid 60’s starring Rajendra kumar ……… Aaj udta hua ek panchie zindgi ki baharoan mein aaya……
.This song beautifully conveys the happiness of liberty and freedom after one comes out of the clutches of slavery . Its a pure pleasure to listen to this Rafi and Ravi combo .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1FZRHK94cU

Could you please tell me in which raag is this song composed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP3dFXqE4Qc

Sada Kannali song from Kaviratna Kalidasa, an old Kannada movie.

I read somewhere that it is Brindavani Sarang. Kindly clear my doubt.

SoY family’,
With this month coming to an end , let us welcome the new month and embrace the arrival , in waiting ,of autumn thru September . The first song that comes to my mind is Hollywood’s Come september theme song which was very popular in India during 60’s [ and still cont.to charm] . This dance number was fav.with the Music clubs and was regularly played in restaurants on jukebox . Its fav.of Baaraat dance bands as well .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7I_ta7Vzc

This theme dance number was beautifully captured in the movie of the 60’s ‘ Ishara ‘ featuring Vyjentimala . joy mukerjee and pran . Refer to movie length from 3.45 to 6.00 .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kXhTjN4UM0

With Autumn knocking I am remembering one of my fav. Nat king Cole number ” Autumn leaves ” as also Shanker Jaikishan’s ” Jaane chaman shola badan ” of Gumnaam , which I think is one of the best version of the original song . I am uploading the original as well as variations :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEMCeymW1Ow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2f0NzCohyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbpqbCNS7K0

Hope every one will like.

AK’ji ;
Amajing! I will call it masters copy. I forgot to upload an inspired song by Kishore kumar based on …..Autumn leaves song as well .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1JXTxM9snw

In the article ‘ Naushad’s LDDS’, it has been stated that he was past his prime around 1968 (when film’ Saathi’ was made). A musician does not lose his art – a singer may lose power of his/her throat and lungs- in older age. One may admit that occasionally a musician/composer may be out of sync with the prevailing trends. Rather than stating Naushad to be past his prime, I would humbly state that the film makers and directors of that period were conveniently choosing mediocre talent (composers and lyricists) and were discarding top class talent. I cannot forget that from 1964-65 onwards the following were ignored, though they were as good as ever:-

Jaan-nisar Akhtar, Talat Mahmood, Hemant Kumar, Shamshad Begum, Iqbal Qureshi, C. Ramchandra and Vasant Desai.

Disregarding hughly talented persons proved a great mistake. Within a few years, the quality of Hindi film songs got lower and lower as far as lyrics and melody were concerned. Additionally, matters got worse due to sad demise of Shakeel, Shailendra, Roshan and Jaikishan.

Yours truly
Ashok Kumar Tyagi

In case of Naushad I think his music was with the trend in late 60’s when you listen to Sathi’s songs. It may be that his big patron Producer Mehboob passed away and A. R. Kardar’s movies flopped. Also younger producers and directors probably preferred younger composers ( except for S. D. Berman who had strong support of Bengalis ) like LP and R.D. Berman. C. Ramchand did not recover from Lataji’s refusal to sing for him. S. D. Berman survived it.

Dear AK ji and Gulab ji,

The discussion is opening into interesting directions. Film Aadmi had two magnificent Rafi numbers – Aaj purani rahon se and Na aadmi ka koi bharosa. Watching this movie in Stadium cinema in Delhi, I was perplexed to see that younger audience left the hall for short duration when a classical music based Lata Mangeshkar number came on the screen. It was a good song and Waheeda was looking very lovely. In this film, Naushad used the unique voice of Talat Mahmood one last time. That male duet (ik chand aasman mein hai ik mere saath hai) was also a reasonably good song. Around the same time, Naushad completed the pending work of the superlative musical, Pakeejah (work left incomplete due to passing away of his close friend Ghulam Mohammad). The phrase ‘sharply downhill’ probably has been used keeping in mind the music of two Rajendra Kumar films — Ganwar and Tangewala.

A seed needs a fertile soil. Good film songs need such movies where the songs may merge smoothly with the story being told and characters portraying that story. Therefore the blame may, in fairness, be directed towards film makers. When other Hindi film makers had disregarded Vasant Desai and Salil Choudhuri, Hrishikesh Mukherjee made expert use of them(Aashirwad, Guddi and Anand). It may be added that luckily for song lovers, Chetan Anand did not ditch Madan Mohan and the latter reserved his best for Chetan. I could not fathom how Ravi and Salil Choudhuri were in great demand in Malayalam films but nobody gave them work in Mumbai.

Yours truly
Ashok Kumar Tyagi

True everything has a life cycle. Even Genius like Naushad had to face it. Shanker Jaikishan did not have it near the end. People’s taste change. Whatever those composers gave is still so enjoyable. By the way we are forgetting songs by Roshan- Bawre Nain and Naubahar. Aire me to prem Diwani still one of the top 10 of Lataji for me. Dekhoji Mera Jiya Churaye liye jay, Kajarari Matawari madabhar do Akhiyan by Raj Kumari, Khayalomen kisike is tarah aya nahin karte,

S,D, Berman’s Chahe Kitna muzhe tum Bulaoge Nah Bolungi in Arman, what a great song. Songs from Sazza.

Today is Teacher’s day as well . Two songs from my side .
1. Ichak dana bichak dana………Lata., chorus….Shree 420……SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXxR1Fj-BQ0
Sadhna as a child student is easily recognised. Many years later she worked as heroine opposite Raj kapoor .

2.Insaaf ki dagar pe……Hemant, chorus……Ganga jamuna…Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUoUULuWNM
Aruna Irani acted as Vayijanti’s child hood role .

comment #499
bhatiaji,sharing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ydFB4R6Uuo
yeh kaun chitrakar hai…/boond jo ban gayee moti/1967/mukesh/bharat vyas/satish Bhatia.

……in continuation. One more K L Saigal song : Madhukar Shyam hamare……..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6jVPDrcQDU

Mumbaikar8;
I think you are refering to #485 which relates to the likes of ‘ Come September ‘ and ‘ Autumn leaves’ . Yes the song….Ja ja re ja deewane ja @ .52 carries almost part of the interlude of the theme tune of Come september . I had noticed this when I saw the movie in the 60s .

Mumbaikar8, Arvinder sharma, Ashwin , Hans [ji’s] ,

I was just browsing thru’ old topics and uploads and it surprised me that starting @377 the number of songs on ‘Whistle ‘are nearing 50 . Only 4 or 5 songs are required to achieve this target . Just go down to your memory lane and see if any such hidden songs are lying some where .
I have found one which starts with duet whistles …… Mere ghunghar wale baal….. shamshad and chorus……from Pardes…..with Ghulm mohd . as MD .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvZf0T4OVhE

AKji, Bhatiaji,
With reference to #510, reminds me of some more of my favourite Mukesh’s songs –

AANKHON MEIN TERI YAAD LIYE JAA RAHA HOON – Mukesh – HAMARI YAAD AAYEGI (1961)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz7tp39s7bM

Jab Gham – E – Ishq Satata Hai To Hans Leta Hoon – Kinare Kinare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOhtsfvs1X0

DIL DHOONDTA HAI SAHARE SAHARE – Mukesh – KALA AADMI (1960)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXmmnsBbBU

Gulab Shah’ji;
Thanks for reminding so many mythological songs in one go . They are all beautiful and one amongst them stands tall and that is …… tum jo toodo piya by Lataji . This song is my fav. since youth days . I think CR was at his best in Jhanak jhanak payal baaje . Vasant desai was the other MD of this catg.. Here is one of his creation…..

San sanan jare o pawan……. Lata…..from ..Sampurna ramayan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExtyJLTeAw

https://youtu.be/-9VjDZB2P_I

Tributes to Jaikishen on his death anniversary today 12-09.
Begunaah (1957) solo song sung by Mukesh and picturised on Jaikishen himself.
The up loader of the song has also given full details of the released but banned movie.

Mahesh ji;
Thanks for reminding Jaikishan’s Death Annev. Jaikishan is one of my fav. Music Director. He along with Shanker were the most sought after MDs of their time that gave magical hits in practically all the films they did in 50 thru 70s .
I was just 11 years old when the film Begunaha was released . If I remember correctly the film was withdrawn after two days of its release and was for Adults only . As for its music we were content with its songs which were played over the Radio during that time. Some of its songs paved way into binaca geetmala as well . Aye pyasse dil bejuban was my fav. also.
Jaikishan also appeared in a small role in Raj kapoor’s Shree 420 as Nadira’s drunkered husband . He can be seen dancing in the song …..Mud mud ke na dekh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci6OfLH6Ogo

Ksbhatiaji,
I am impressed by your acquaintance with newer songs.
If we dig into Madan Mohan songs we might find few more whistle songs, seems he was fond of whistle.
Along with whistle songs we were discussing yodeling , I remember you were curious to know if Talat or Mukesh had yodeled , I am not aware of them but I have a song in which Ravi has done it and done it well.
This fun song from Bahu has all the flavor of Shamshad Chitalkar fun songs, the singers are Ravi and Bela Mukherjee (Hemant Kumar’s wife). Ravi starts yodeling at 1.03 and Hemant Kumar has his Nagin Been at 2.23. Have a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo_kxLnkYTc

in continuation…….one more whistle song …….Dil ki tammana thi masti mein…….Asha Rafi…… N Dutta……Gyaran hazar laadkiyan .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwOP75rLGSY

I think we have crossed 40 songs so far; should meet the target with more songs .

AK’ji ;

Here is another gem of a song by Mukesh with music by Sapan jagmohan . Na jaane kahaan kho gaya woh zamana from Begaana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0uqgH1e4dI

AK , Mahesh [ji’s] ;

Thanks a lot for appreciating the songs . I am looking to sort of best of B grade Music directors who could not make to A grade , though they have given beautiful songs .

One such song from …Puran Milan…..Zindagee hum tabah kar baithee….Asha, Mubarak begam…….music …C Arjun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLxX4A0-z9I

This might have been posted already. Manna Dey too did some yodelling in Piya Milan Ki aas 1961 ‘picnic me Tok til’ http://youtu.be/4FE1WrzTSI8

Gaddeswarup’ji ;

The song qualifies to be included in whistle song as well and thanks for that. What surprise me is its MD S N Tripathi who is known to be the master of his own field i.e. mythological and social movie songs . Here doing a rock and roll is a great deviation from the normal .
If one listen to the song minutely one will observe how closely new generation Three Idiot song ….Zoobi doobi…….. resemble its tune, rhythm and beats . Of course sound clarity and hi fi recording would be an issue in between its comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jvHPae4FTE
I have to look for other Manna deys yodley songs as i was not aware of his such songs .

Gaddeswarup’ji;

Your search is our gain . Once again thanks for your efforts .
Coming back to some classical- semi mythological songs , I have chosen one very sweetly rendered song by Lataji for its sweet voice and beautiful composition by KA. …..Koyi kahe koyi man basiya……from Madari

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvz_pfl8Y50

Here is one of Sj’s best of classical song ……. Man mohana bade jhoothey…….from Seema .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewi3GN7RKNc

After listening to Lataji’s song I can’t miss Mannadey’s gem…….Bairan ho gai raina…….from Dekh Kabira Roiya with music by MM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGTlCMEbP7s

Both these films were released some time during 19 56/57 and one can trace the style and trend of music during that time .

Suman Kalyanpur.

Delhi and NCR is in mids of Light showers ; perhaps for the good bye to monsoon. It is really fine weather for listener of some light songs and music .

Here is a light waltz number from Nausherwan -e-adil …… Dhimi dhimi hai…… Lata ji …..CR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkkGsyYCmmI

Bapu tum bahut yaad aaye!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJMFzAcNZNc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htbPPmRXaog

AK ‘ji ;
Vintage melody at its best . Yes, hearing is in belief mode . My good night song .

Ab aayee basant bahar….Saugandh [ 1942] movie….Ashit Baran…..music by Raichand boral .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTDq1UGKLOE

One of the Shree 420 songs had the tune for Kisiki Muskarahaton pe ho nisar. I have heard tunes for later songs in barsat songs also as well as in other songs too. I think this is true for others also like Madan Mohan, O.P. nayyar.

Dear AKji,
Any idea about Ajit marchent composer of that beauty from Sapera?

Mr. Gandhe,

Where can i locate mr. Vaishnav’s article on Ajit Merchant. Sorry i can not see it on the side bar.

Did Ajit Merchant compose music for Warasdar? Songs fron that movie were so popular when i was growing up.

AKji; Forgotten melodies of forgotten Music Directors gave us an in-depth richness of the songs to cherish even after decades of time lapse . Continuing my dig on such melodies of still unknown MDs , I incidently hit upon songs composed by Pundit Govind Ram . He had to his credit a number of films that were produced between mid 40s and mid 50s ; and featured a number of good stars of that times like Dilip kumar [ Ghar ki Izzat ] ,Mumtaz shanti , nalini , Gope, Jeevan etc.

Listening to some of his songs was a treat to me . The following samplers shows how close his creation was with that of Husanlal Bhagatram , Gulam mohd and Sajjad hussain .

1. Tune jahan bana kar……1949….Lata…..Maa ka Pyar…….Gobind Ram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umtX0qi85aM&index=4&list=PLO5xn0KW97nz61FM0F7-BTn2gzrgdfO-A

2. Meri kasam tumhen ……1955….Asha……Naqaab……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCh-K3CSbA&index=5&list=PLO5xn0KW97nz61FM0F7-BTn2gzrgdfO-A

3.Kari kari andhiyari mein….1952….Lata…..Jalpari…….GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klj0ha7B4Hw

4. Wah re zamane kya rang …1948 ….Rafi….Ghar ki izzat……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p_l_XhfcpM

5.Haye dard jara dum le…..1948 …….Shamshad…Ghar ki izzat……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yFVRtqf-s .

There are many good songs by Gobind Ram which are awaiting hearing.

I feel you must write an artical about “unsung songs” of Shankar jaikishan from 50s. From films like Aas, parbat,Poonam, Aurat,Ambar Mayurpankh etc. it will be interesting reading. no doubt our great readers will knowing all about them.

what I meant by unsung songs was good songs form films of 50s created by Shankar Jaikishan. Songs were very good but could not get due recongnition because films were flops. Films likeAas, parbat, Poonam, Aurat, Ambar Mayurpankh,Halaku, Badshah.

I hope i make my self clear.