When Peter Drucker wrote in 1986 that the world economy is not changing, it has already changed, “We are living in a changed world” became a fashionable jargon. His assertion was open to question, but Corona has changed the world in a very fundamental way. Someone said that in the human history whenever mankind faced a major crisis, it came together to save itself, but today is a crisis when we have to stay apart to save the world. We are into Lockdown 3.0; even after it is lifted, would it be really back to the normal? It is already being said that we have to brace for a ‘New Normal’, and we can feel it within ourselves. Would I feel confident in going to my neighbourhood salon for a haircut? We always knew that there was a risk of infection, but didn’t give much thought to it. Or to a mall, a restaurant, a multiplex, or a wedding reception indoors?
WhatsApp has spawned a set of appropriate songs for these days, striking out the old favourites, such as Mujhko apne gale laga le O mere hamrahi, Chhoo lene do nazuk hothon ko, Jumma chumma de de, and replacing these by Corona-compliant songs like Teri duniya se door chale ho ke majboor, Chalo ek baar phir se ajanabi ban jayein hum dono etc. Madhulika Liddle (Dusted Off) has already written a post on the songs for the lockdown. Anuradha Warrier (Conversations Over Chai) has expanded it to include various kinds of sicknesses. I knew her as a writer and editor, she must also be a top medical professional to know about complex diseases, such as Misophonia, Hyperesthesia and Arrythmia.
All through our civilisation there have been truths and contra-truths, i.e. exact opposites which were also truths. Was Vibhishan righteous or treacherous? Every sovereign state has a right to have a National Register of Citizens; but no, NRC is a vicious, divisive step, it must be withdrawn. CAA is a benign legislation to give relief to a class of persecuted minorities in some of our neighbouring countries; no, it is a pernicious legislation. It is unconstitutional, it is perfectly constitutional. And finally, prolonged lockdown is the only way to contain the virus; no, it would kill people of starvation by making them jobless. Not to speak of our fundamental values of freedom and liberty – who gave the state the authority to turn Fascist in the name of a virus? How do we choose between life and livelihood? And between freedom versus outbreak of the disease?
This dilemma is reflected in our proverbs, too, which are aphorisms containing some fundamental truth. There are a large number of pairs of proverbs enunciating opposite truths. Such as, you are never too old to learn, but you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. It is important to do a thing well, or none at all, but half a loaf is better than none. The bigger the better, but someone said small is beautiful. Clothes make the man, but we should not judge a book by its cover. You must look before you leap because haste makes waste, but remember time and tide wait for none, and you must strike while the iron is hot. Great men think alike, but fools seldom differ. If knowledge is power, how can ignorance be bliss?
Long before we had heard of Corona, a keen SoY-er, Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli, suggested to me the idea of songs of contrasting ideas, and also sent me a list of such pair of songs. This can be really unlimited. Let me present a selection of some songs with their contra songs, with thanks to Mr Muli.
तक़दीर/तदबीर
This must be one of the most popular conflicts in Hindi films. If ‘whatever will be will be’ and no one can erase what is written in one’s destiny, is it really worthwhile doing backbreaking work? But God helps those who help themselves. That is what Lala Kedarnath thought in Waqt (1965). He was proud of what he had achieved and was confident of expanding his business into more prosperity by the dint of his hard work. The astrologer, who must have sponged himself all his life on other peoples’ earnings, warns him of ominous things that might happen. And lo and behold, in the earthquake, the Lala loses his everything, plus his entire family to boot. The film was a great eulogy to destiny: Aage bhi jaane na tu; Waqt ke din aur raat. For some reason taqdeer does not follow the laws of probability in our songs, it almost always brings misery.
1. Taqdeer ka fasana jaakar kise sunaayein, is dil mein jal rahin hain armaan ki chitaayein by Rafi from Sehra (1963), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Ramlal
It takes a seductive club dancer to emphasise the importance of action over destiny.
2. Tadbeer se bigadi hui taqdeer bana le, apne pe bharosa hai to ye daaon laga le by Geeta Dutt from Baazi (1951), lyrics Sahir Ludhiyanavi, music SD Burman
Our philosophy is ‘Neti neti’ (neither this, nor this), therefore, we have peaceful co-existence of contrary views. Shammi Kapoor believes that everything is just play of the fate, Dilip Kumar debunks it, he is a firm believer in human effort, but this difference does not cause a dent in their friendship.
3. Haathon ki chand lakeeron ka ye khel hai sab taqdeeron ka by Suresh Wadkar and Anwar from Vidhata (1982), lyrics Anand Bakshi, music Kalyanji-Anandji
एक/अनेक
अकेला चना भाँड़ नहीं फोड़ता, but there are times when you have to Ekala chalo re. Rabindranath Tagore qualified it for situations when others did not respond to your call, but Ayn Rand, in The Fountainhead, says unambiguously through her protagonist Howard Roark that “Mind is the attribute of the individual, there is no such thing as a collective brain. Everything we have, every great achievement has come from independent work of some independent mind. Every horror and destruction came from attempts to force men into a herd of brainless, soulless robots. This is an ancient conflict. It has another name: the individual against the collective.” Listen to this monologue by Gary Cooper in the court, playing Howard Roark, in the film adaptation of the book.
4. Howard Roark’s speech in the courtroom in The Fountainhead (1949)
You can not get a clearer rebuttal of our philosophy of the individual yielding to the wishes of the collective, त्यजेदेकं कुलस्यार्थे.
5. Jodi tor daak shune keu na ashe tobe ekla chalo re by Kishore Kumar, lyrics Rabindranath Tagore
Contrast this with the international humanist Tagore’s invocation for ploughing a lonely furrow, but qualified with “If”. Amitabh Bachchan made it famous by his rendering in the film Kahaani (2012), but let us hear Kishore Kumar singing it.
6. Saathi haath badhana, ek akela thak jayega by Rafi, Asha Bhosle and chorus from Naya Daur (1957), lyrics Sahir Ludhyanavi, music OP Nayyar
It is obvious that a single person will get tired, therefore, building the road has to be a collective effort, as it has always been in our epics. Can we imaging Lord Ram reaching Lanka without the collective effort to bridge the ocean?
The value of the collective has to be instilled from the childhood. This was done by this timeless video played on Doordarshan during its days of glory.
7. Ek chidiya anek chidiya (animated short film) by Bhimsain
Forgiveness/Revenge: ‘To turn in the other cheek’/ ’Eye for an eye’
“Turn in the other cheek” can create serious dilemma, because tolerating injustice is as sinful as the perpetration of injustice. अहिंसा परमो धर्म: might appear to be an absolute dictum, but it is followed by धर्म हिंसा तथैव च (so too is all righteous violence). (See Note 1 at the end.)
Forgiving can be immensely more difficult than seeking forgiveness. In the philosophical dance-drama Shyama, Tagore depicts the heart-wrenching pain of the hero Bajrasen at his inability to forgive Shyama who has committed a most horrific crime to get him. No one could convey this pain better than Hemant Kumar, singing the last verse of Shyama.
8. Khomite parilam na je by Hemant Kumar singing the last verse of Shyama, Tagore’s dance-drama
Leaving its detailed explanation to our scholar N Venkataraman, very briefly Bajrasen has been falsely accused of stealing the necklace of the princess and is being taken to the gallows. The beautiful court dancer Shyama becomes infatuated with him, and, to get him released, persuades her infatuated lover Uttiyo to take his place. On knowing this Bajrasen is horrified and repulsed, and is unmoved by Shyama’s entreaties for forgiveness. And then in the last scene he wails before the Lord, “O Lord the Redeemer, I couldn’t forgive her, please have mercy on my helplessness. She the sinner, as she repents and falls at your feet, you would pardon her and redeem her. But you would not forgive me, for my unforgiveness, O Lord the Redeemer.”
Our film songs are not bothered by such philosophical doubts. Here the wronged man is very clear in cursing ‘eye for an eye’ to the perpetrator.
9. Mere dushman tu meri dosti ko tarase by Rafi from Aye Din Bahar Ke (1966), lyrics Anand Bakshi, music Laxmikant-Pyarelal.
The severity of Dharmendra’s curses would send shivers down your spine: Mujhe gham denewaale, tu khushi ko tarase/ Tu phool bane patjhad ka, tujh pe bahaar na aye kabhi/ Meri tarah hi tu tadape, tujh ko qaraar na aye kabhi/ Jiye tu is tarah ki zindagi ko tarase.
But not all dejected lovers are so bitter. Some are very Gandhian.
10. Meri kahani bhoolanewale tera jahan aabad rahe by Rafi from Deedar (1951), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad
So what if you have forgotten me, may you get all the happiness in life.
पास/दूर
Earlier we were confused between ‘Out of sight, out of mind’ and ‘Absence makes the heart grow fonder’, because ‘Familiarity breeds contempt.’ But now there is no ambiguity. Ae dil mujhe aisi jagah le chal jahan koi na ho must be the ultimate social-distancing song, but this is sung by a morose man and there is an element of misanthropy in this. Talat Mahmood has also sung a great inspirational song for these days, befitting well-adjusted people.
11. Humse aya na gaya tumse bulaya na gaya by Talat Mahmood from Dekh Kabira Roya (1957), lyrics Rajendra Krishna, music Madan Mohan
हमसे आया न गया तुमसे बुलाया न गया
फासला प्यार में दोनो से मिटाया न गया
I couldn’t come
You couldn’t call me
We were deeply in love
Therefore we could not erase the distance between us
But not all lovers were so understanding. Generally they would not separate without kicking and screaming.
12. Teri duniya se door chale hoke majboor humein yaad rakhna by Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar from Zabak (1961), lyrics Prem Dhavan, music Chitragupta
But the wise lovers devised their own ways of consoling each other, such as in Chaahe paas ho chaahe door ho, mere jeevan ki tum tasveer ho. The women are stronger in such situations as in the next song.
13. Wo paas bhi rahkar paas nahin, hum door bhi rahkar door nahin by Lata Mangeshkar from Afsana (1951), lyrics Asad Bhopali, music Husnlal-Bhagatram
Even if he was close by he must have been engrossed in cricket or football on the TV, but the generous lady feels close to him even if he is now far away.
दोस्ती /प्यार
This is a singular contribution of Bollywood to the world of ideas. Ruth Vanita and Saleem Kidwai have written and edited a scholarly book, ‘Same Sex Love in India: A Literary History’. I don’t think anyone has written its companion book, ‘Opposite Sex Friendship in India’. We know the reason; being educated in Bollywood Academy we know that it is an impossibility, as Mehboob Khan showed so eloquently in Andaaz (1949). If you commit this mistake, you end up singing Kisi ko dil ka dard mila hai, kisi ko man ka meet on the piano, and wait for a graver disaster. Raj Kapoor expanded this idea in Sangam (1964) by elevating dosti to the highest pedestal. Dosti is between the same sex, particularly men, but the entry of a woman messes up both dosti and pyar.
14. Dost dost na raha, pyar pyar na raha by Mukesh from Sangam (1964), lyrics Shailendra, music Shankar-Jaikishan
When there is no woman, all confusions disappear. Dosti and Pyar both remain intact.
15. Meri dosti mera pyar (Koi jab raah na paaye, mere sang aaye, ki pag pag deep jalaaye) by Rafi from Dosti (1964), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Laxmikant-Pyarelal
Notes
1. Ahimsa paramo dharmah occurs at many places in the epic Mahabharat, but its next part Dharma hinsa tathaiva cha is a hanging line, and is often affixed to the first part as a critique of Gandhi’s non-violence, and as a general endorsement of violence for just causes. To my knowledge the two parts do not appear together anywhere. I have used the spurious information from the Internet for making the point.
2. There are a large number of videos on the YouTube of the dance-drama Shyama, performed by various groups. It is performed to either pre-recorded music or to singing by live singers in the wings. The record by the doyens Hemant Kumar, Kanika Banerjee and others, is most highly regarded. Its commercial CD has been brought out by Saregama India Limited. You can move to its last two minutes for the song #8 I have added. Some enthusiasts have also made Shyama into a film.
3. ‘Corona’ is a generic name for a class of flues known for several years. The current one, which has caused worldwide mayhem, has a longish technical name, but I have used the word in common usage to refer to the current pandemic.
4. ‘Same Sex Love in India’ was published first in the year 2000 by St Martin’s Press. Its revised edition was published in 2008 by Penguin India. This book has been cited in the Supreme Court judgement dated 6 September 2018 on Section 377 of the IPC. Incidentally, the book mentions that Vatsyayan gives an important place to friendship in Kamsutra, and the women categorised as avoidable by a man include, among others, his own female friend. So Mehboob Khan was, after all, enunciating ancient wisdom 
.
Disclaimer/Acknowledgement
1. At places I have been irreverent in my writing, in a light-hearted way. No disrespect is meant to anyone, least of all to the very respected ladies. Nevertheless, I sincerely apologise if anyone feels offended.
2. The song links have been embedded from the YouTube only for the listening pleasure of the music lovers. This blog does not claim any copyright over these which rests with respective owners like Saregama India Limited and others.
3. Songs #9 and 10 are Mr Muli’s contribution. He had sent several other pair of songs, I am leaving it to him and other readers to contribute such pair of songs explaining the underlying contrasting ideas pertaining to that pair.
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Highly interesting topic, complimented by selection of even more interesting songs.
Normally pandemic sets in a mood of depression, but in some people it has set the gene of creativity come alive.
Congratulations for such a creative piece and thanks to providing the food for thought (::/)
What an interesting post, AK. I have often pondered over the way our idioms can be so contrary to each other, but I never thought to extend that to songs. This is a post with which I have only one complaint: it’s too short! 🙂
Very interesting, AK ji.
Little tricky to select the songs!!
Tere dar pe aaya hoon
Kuch kar ke jaoonga….
Various LAILA MAJNUs
Or
Teri galiyon mein hum aaye..
MINOO
Or
Jaaoon toh kahan jaaoon
Sab kuch yahin hai
Tere ghar ke bahar toh
Na dunia na deen hai
ANAMIKA
Paired with…
Teri galiyon mein na rakhenge kadam
Aaj ke baad…
HAWAS
Or
Teri duniya se hoke majboor chala
PAVITRA PAAPI
Or
Hum chod chale hain mehfil ko
Yaad aaye kabhi toh mat rona
JEE CHAHTA HAI
Interesting theme AK and well presented. Your theme reminded me of two snippets of songs from the same film that my father mentioned several time. Neeraj presented the moods of love in contrasting ways in Prem Pujari. In ‘Phoolon ke rang se’ he says ‘Yaad tu aaye, man ho jaaye, bheed ke beech akela’. In contrast in ‘Shokhiyon mein ghola jaaye’ he says ‘Yaad agar wo aaye, aise kate tanhaayi; soone shahar mein jaise, bajne lage shahnai.’
Apart from contra songs I wonder if there are enough examples to fill a complementary songs post? The one example that comes to my mind – that I mentioned in my post on Maand-Shivranjani – is the lament of the boy who walked away from his beloved expecting that she would call him back ‘Main yeh soch kar uske dar se utha tha’; and the lament of the lady who failed to stop the man as he was walking away ‘Jo main jaanti bisrat hain saiyan, ghughta mein aag laga deti.’
There is a kind of contrast in two great songs: ‘Tum apna ranj-o gham’ with its unconditional support even if ‘he’ is not interested; and ‘Kabhi tanhaiyon mein yoon’ which says ‘Yeh bijli raakh kar degi yeh tere pyaar ki duniya, na tu phir ji sakega aur, na tujhko maut aayegi.’
Very interesting and thought provoking theme AKji.
It would be difficult to post songs off hand.
Can we think of this pair of songs from Kala Bazaar, one praising the strength of money, the other stating to be away from money.
Teri dhoom har kahin
And
Na main dhan chahoon
Anup
🙂
Hope/despair: ‘Gardish mein hon taare, na ghabrana pyare’ vs ‘Zindagi dene wale sun, teri duniya se dil bhar gaya.’ There seem to be a lot more despair songs than songs of hope.
I got carried away and omitted one from the pair I wanted to post.
Teri galiyon mein na rakhenge kadam aaj ke baad…
HAWAS.
Rafi,Sawan Kumar Tak Usha Khanna.
Jis gali mein tera ghar na ho balma
Us gali se hume na gujarna…
KATI PATANG.
Mukesh, AB, RDB.
AKji,
Hats off for presenting an original and creative article. Adverse situations can produce out-of-the-box thinking.
Thank to Rahulji for implanting the seeds for this article. And you have nourished the idea into a tree with vibrant fruits, vegetables, and flowers. Thanks to Rahulji and congratulations to you for the brilliant piece.
As Anupji has said, it seems it would be difficult for me to think and post songs on the theme off hand.
And Pradeepji has taken guard and seems to be at ease on the away pitch too.
AK ji
Thanks for taking up what I suggested. My suggestion was not even a skeletal & you have made it come alive
आपने उसमे प्राण भर दिये
Will come back after reading the article & the comments that have appeared so far.
Ashokji @1,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Two thing happened: WhatsApp full to romantic songs of closeness, and Corona-compliant songs of distance. Mr Muli’s mail about contrasting ideas was already in my mailbox. ‘Ideas’ led to contrasting proverbs. And Hindi film songs have everything. So you have the post. I can’t be claiming the entire credit.
Madhu @2,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Corona gave one contrasting idea: closeness versus separation. The contrasting proverbs are so many that it just needed some epiphany to connect the two. Had I worked harder I could have found more than a dozen contrasting ideas and corresponding songs. You think of anything under the sun, you are sure to get songs for that. I hope it spurs the readers’ creative juices.
Dr Shetty @3, 7,
Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. On one contrasting idea you have come up with so many pairs of songs. Impressive. Please also think about contrasting proverbs and their songs.
Subodh @4,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation and my compliments for your brilliant selection and insightful analysis. Complementary songs could be too many. But your example of Tum apna ranj-o-gham and Kabhi tanhaaiyon mein is an interesting set. The songs are all time greats, and identifying the contrast requires a very sharp observation.
@6,
Nice example of complete contrast.
Anup @5,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Yearning for money and detachment with wealth perfectly fits the theme. And if we wrack our brains we could find many contrasting proverbs in Hindi, English and Sanskrit.
Venkataramanji @8,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Waiting for your return fully energised after lunch break. As Madhu said, the post was too short :), I have left the field open for the readers to post not only songs, but their contrasting ideas and their associated proverbs and cultural references.
Mr Muli @9,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation, and more importantly for mentioning contrasting ideas. Having seen your creative comments the field is yours. As I have said the scope is unlimited.
1. Ab Yaad na kar bhool ja ae dil from anokha pyar
And
Woh Din Yaad Karo from Humrahi
2. Sach hue sapne tere
And
Jeevan sapna toot gaya
3. Remembering someone with happiness
Beete hue din kuchh aise hi hai, Yaad Aate hi dil machal jaye
And
Weeping and crying in remembrance
Yaad Tori Aayi main to Chham Chham Royi re
4 Mat ja mat ja mere Bachpan na ja
And
Ja ja ja mere Bachpan
5 Aaj phir jeene ki Tamanna Hai, Aaj phir Marne ka irada Hai
A single song with contrasting emotions.
I’m not sure about this one!
6 Aaj Ki mulaqat bas itni
And
Abhi na Jao chhodkar Ke dil abhi Bhara nahi
But
This one appears to fit
7 Koi bura kahe ya kahe bhala, main Shadi karne chala
And
Kue mein kud Ke mar Jana, Yaar tum Shadi mat Karna
From the same movie…two contrasting emotions…
DOSTANA.
Bane chahe dushman zamana hamara
Salaamat rahe dostana hamara…
&
Mere dost kissa ye kya ho gaya
Suna hai ke tu bewafa ho gaya..
Dosti and Dushmani, Pyar and nafrat… there are many.
Anup @17, 18, 19,
Nice pairs. #6: Difficult to classify. One interpretation is that in the first song the lady is quite OK with the duration of the meeting but the guy is pleading her to be not so rigid, whereas in the second both lovers are sad that the meeting was too short, and pleading not to leave so soon. Therefore, it is a semi-contrast song?
Rest are superb.
1. Happy memories/ Sad memories
2. Romancing the childhood/ Yearning to grow up
3. Bliss of marriage/ Perils of marriage
Dr Shetty @20,
Good ones.
Venkatraman ji @ 8
Thanks a lot. You have echoed my sentiments about how the idea is nourished & embellished by AKji.
Actually I was vexed by this thought of how the lyricists think of starkly opposite themes for a belong brine. Coincidentally the songs selected by AKji from my list had given birth to this thought. I had often tried to discuss this with some of my friends over the years . But not much interest was shown by them. Whatsaap & FB are not pepper fora, I felt. Then came SOY. I had some reservations about whether this idea would be entertained or not & I had expressed them in my mail to AKji. But he not only encouraged me but transformed my raw thoughts in to a beautiful result.
As is evident there is no dearth of songs fitting the theme. But one must go for substance over form.
Here is one such pair
Chhod de sari duniya kisi ke liye – Saraswatichandra
https://youtu.be/FFW6dBHPcTo
Here Indeevar is being toov pragmatic when he claims that ‘ye munasib nahi aadmi ke liye’
But see much before Indeevar wrote this , Rajinder Krishan had already helped Vaijayanti mala to leave this world
Oonchi oonchi duniya ki – —— main aayi re tere liye sara Jag chhod ke
https://youtu.be/KQSL2m7y460
AKji,
The saying, ‘You are never too old to learn’, is Ok with us, but the adage ‘You cannot teach an old dog new tricks’, perhaps applies to the canine crowd only, and not the senior citizens.
Posting a pair-Hope it fits the theme
Chale Ja Chale Ja Jahan Pyar Mile
itane bade jahan me, koyee toh mit hoga
iss gam kee basuree me, koyee toh git hoga,
Jahan Pyar Mile (1970)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZNH_6i27LE&feature=emb_err_watch_on_yt
Rani Roopmati (1957)
Laut ke aa laut ke aa laut ke aa
Aa laut ke aaja mere meet
Tujhe mere geet bulate hain
Emphasizing the contrasting situation in life…..
Ek pal hai hasna ek pal hai rona
Kisa hai jeevan ka khela
ek pal hai milna ek pal bichhadna
duniya hai do din ka mela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyIVG9SM46Y
Go away/Don’t go: ‘Ja ja re ja, balamwa’ vs ‘Na jao saiyan chhuda ke bahiyan.’ Particularly poignant as in the first one the balamwa is being accused of spending the night with souten, while in the second one the wife knows her husband is on way to spend the night with a courtesan.
Mr Muli @23,
FB, WA, Twitter are very ephemeral platforms, and it is impossible to restrain people from posting ‘Good Morning’ messages and forward jokes, photos, and worse, unverified provocative messages. The other adverse consequence is that if you shift your serious discussion to WA platform, no one visits the main site.
You have posted a nice pair. I see Vedant in this. It is difficult to for a person to renounce the entire world for the love of anyone. But when the Jeev has realised the Supreme Being, it becomes easy for that enlightened person to renounce the world for the Brahma (ब्रह्म).
SABAK, 1973.
Barkha Rani jara jham ke barso…
Mukesh.
Barkha bairan jara tham ke barso..
Suman Kalyanpur.
Chali ja chali ja chali ja, chhod ke duniya
gamo ki duniya, aaho ki duniya….
….jiye to ghut ke mar jaye, mare to ham kidhar jaye
Lata Mangeshkar, Udhav Kumar/Vishwamitra Aadil (?), Roshan, Humlog (1951)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qglvEvfop20
Ruk Jaa O Janewali Ruk Jaa, Mukeh, Shailendra, SJ, Kanhaiya (1959)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adZYDGWbPvw
Venkataramanji @24,
So you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, but this does not hold good for old humans. Very sharp Freudian analysis. That is why a youngster sang, Seekha nahi sabak tune pyar ka, whereas an oldie sang O meri zohrajaben, tu abhi tak hai haseen aur main jawan.
You have posted a nice pair of ‘Go-No go’ songs. Since we have a large number of engineers on the group, I am sure they would be able to discover relationship between these songs and their engineering application.
Subodh @26,
There are also situations when the lady is not whining and crying, but quite bold in challenging:
Jaate ho to jaao par jaoge kahan, Babuji phir aisa dil paoge kahan
Another factor which further fuelled the idea of contrast songs was Sahir’s famous riposte (unprovoked)
“Ek shahanshah ne daulat ka sahara lekar
…….”
Perhaps this was too strong condemnation of symbol of love that nobody had the daring to include it in a film.
There are so many songs on Zindagi & we may easily find cotrasting songs there .
The best pair that comes to mind is
Main Zindagi me hardum rota hi raha hoon – Barsaat
https://youtu.be/6HsoVuqsEIA
Very rarely did a hero expressed his grief in such a defeatist manner
Contrast this with (& no prizes for guessing correctly ) the epitome of never ending hope that the hero was both in reel & real life as portrayed by Sahir
Main Zindagi ka saath – Hum Dono
https://youtu.be/PbTY_m5yZ0w
Excellent. The idea, choice of proverbs, aphorisms and sayings, choice of songs-everything is excellent. It is a unique post. I join Vaishnav ji@ 1 in appreciating the creativeness.
As Venkatraman ji says, we have to think hard before posting songs–especially when we are not quick on the draw like Dr.Shetty.
Dr Shetty @27,
Interesting pair in which they are not exact opposites, but there is difference in degrees.
“Someone said that in the human history whenever mankind faced a major crisis, it came together to save itself, but today is a crisis when we have to stay apart to save the world.”
Your lines triggered a thought.
Can we have the power the save the world/planet. The atrocities we, human beings all over the word, have perpetuated on her was borne patiently by Mother Earth for long. We are forced by Mother Earth to stay apart to save the Mankind; else a huge chunk of Mankind would be wiped out, thus restoring Nature”s balance. It is a chance Mother Earth is offering us for redemption. Mother Earth/ Nature do not have any compulsions to preserve “Life/Praan” in any particular form, say Mankind. If we don’t surrender (Sarangatham) to her , Mother Earth/ Nature will exercise her option in deciding in which form Life will exist in future.
Please read “Do we have the power”
instead of
“Can we have the power”
Venkataramanji @28,
So Go/No-go is a big class by itself. Heard Chali ja chali ja chali ja for the first time. But why Nutan has self-doubts?
Giri ji,
Probably an idle mind getting ideas quickly!!
Chalo dildar chalo
Chand ke paar chalo….
PAKEEZA
&
Hum tum ek kamre mein band ho
Aur chabi kho jaaye..
BOBBY.
Spreading one’s ( two’s?_ I know there can not be such a word) wings far versus cocooning oneself ( twoselves_ again,a non existent word)!
In COVID 19 times..
One advocating ultimate social distancing ( leave the earth, for the moon, where, possibly, the virus has not yet reached!) . The other , social distancing,yes.. on a much more basic level.
Mr Muli @30,
Ek shahenshah ne daulat ka sahra lekar. But Shakeel was rebutting it? – Ek shahenshah ne banwa ke haseen Taj Mahal, saari duniya ko mohabbat ki nishani di hai
Zindagi: What a vast minefield! Everyone lives a different life. Sometimes it also deals poor cards, at times we are always looking for better cards.
Mr Giri @31,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Looking for your choices.
I thank AK ji for introducing this new angle of looking at Hindi Film songs and the beautiful collection of songs . I have heard all these HF songs earlier but now am looking at it with a different eye .
I do not know if any of the songs I post would fit in here .
1) ‘ Hasne ki Chah …’ /AVISHKAR/1974/Kanu Roy/Manna Dey
https://youtu.be/uomu2WP5CAE
2)’ Laakhon taare aasman… /HARYALI AUR RAASTA /1962/SJ/Mukesh,Lata
https://youtu.be/wBmkeW4y1cg
AKji @31
Committed a blunder @30 in fact two blunders
One is pointed out by you
Second is that Sahir’s tajmahal is included in Gazal incidentally both the films were released in 1964 but Sahir’s must have come much earlier
‘ Dekh tere Sansaar…’/NASTIK/1954/CR/Kavi Pradeep
https://youtu.be/TU5bGg3JUxw
1) ‘ Jane woh kaise…’/PYAASA/1957/ SDB/ Hemant
https://youtu.be/EhDCAmXKBBs
2) ‘Yeh duniya agar…’ /PYAASA/1957/SDB/Rafi
https://youtu.be/t8f7bukIUWU
6) ‘Mili khaak mein…’/ CHAUDHAVIN KA CHAND / Ravi/Rafi
https://youtu.be/7zoUoixvRMg
7) ‘ Badle badle mere…’/CHAUDHAVIN KA CHAND / Ravi/Lata
https://youtu.be/vdzDCvbTP_Q
‘ Woh jo milte…’/AKELI MAT JAIYO/1963 /MMohan/Lata
https://youtu.be/sQPif5jnpCA
‘Rehtey they kabhi…’/MAMTA/1966 /Roshan /Lata
https://youtu.be/x2plQQ80x3k
)’ Jab jab tumhe…’/JAHANARA/1964 /MM /Lata,Asha
https://youtu.be/mK1kHnzl7Ks
‘ Kya se kya…’/GUIDE/1965/SDB/Rafi
https://youtu.be/jYlV6QLLdJg
‘ Tumhe yaad hoga…’/SATTA BAZAR/1959/Kalyanji Anandji/Lata,Hemant
https://youtu.be/nLl34jZYYSY
‘ Mohabbat ki jhooti…’/MUGHAL E AZAM/1960 /Naushad/Lata
https://youtu.be/1AhR67_A6Is
‘ Choti si yeh…’/RANGOLI/1962/SJ/Lata
https://youtu.be/U9A6NnnI6Ts
Venkataramani @34,
You have taken the discussion to a very serious plane. We are not bothered about the small mercies of Mother Earth in this pandemic. Because the economy has to be opened. Therefore, liquor shops have to start first. And since we have been thirsty for so many days, we are on the verge of dehydration, therefore, we would would create stampede. These people might die of Corona in the next few weeks, but you cannot blame them. They would have died yesterday without without alcohol. They cannot help if their behaviour put ten times more at risk. The Mother Earth should have given fair choices to her children.
Mr Joseph @39, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. I can see that some songs contain internal contrasts. Even without being a pair they can fit as intra-song contrasts, but in some stand-alone songs I did not understand the contrasting ideas.
Posting a pair of pairs ( king pair?) All 4 songs penned by Sahir
1 a) ye desh hai veer jawano ka
– Naya Daur
Hero portraying effervescent picture of his Desh full of energy, love & strength
Machati hai dhume bastime
Hasata hai sawan balo mein
Khilti hai kaliyan galomein
1 b) Jinhe naaz hai hind pe – Pyaasa
In the same year ( 1957) now Sahir writes for a dejected & disillusioned protagonist
Be- khauf sahami si galiya
Masali Hui adh khilisi kaliya
Bikti Hui khokhali rangraliya
2 a) Wahida rehman completely shattered realizing fate of her son whose father was a dreaded dacoit & Sahir writes for her
Tujhko halat kev aandhi se bachane ke liye
Aaj main pyar ke aanchal me chipa leti hoon
Tere bachpan ko – Mujhe Jeene do
b) More than a decade later again Wahida Rehman & her son but this time brimming with Revenge.Sahir writes
Main tujhe raham ke saye
Mein na palane dungi
Interestingly he uses almost
Similar lines in both the songs with a small twist to make them fit in two different contexts altogether
Jindgani ki kadi dhup me jalana hoga ( tere bachpan ko)
Jindgani ki kadi dhoop mein
Chalane dungi ( tu mere saath)
Absolutely brilliant!
Akji:
A wonderfully creative post. If the recent flurry of activity at SoY is truly due to the lockdown then I would wholeheartedly support Justice Gupta’s suggestion that we should have 15 days’ lockdown every year!
Here are two songs pitting ‘O bhole balma’ (Lata in Poonam; MD: SJ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4B8gWTkPUY
against ‘Saiyan jhoothon ka bada sartaj’ (Lata in Do Aankhen baarah haath; MD: Basant Desai)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n6nm8sBvyc
Rahulji,
Thanks you for providing such an interesting idea.
And additional thanks for the contrast song by Sahir.
Akji,
Is it your taqdeer aur tadpbir that you attract such diverse personalities to your blog?
Once again you have used an interesting idea at the appropriate time added fours moons to it.
Good job. Lockdown is working for you.
I would urge you to give more time to this article to flourish, because this idea can be and will be debated with so many minds springing, that will need some more time.
The contrast of a believer song ( Bhajan ) would be a song of a no believer?
A contrasting pair of songs of two believers one submissive other challenging.
Tere phoolon se bhi pyar tere kaanton se bhi Nastik Lata
https://youtu.be/18CI719CKmQ
Mere hathile shyam Pankaj Mullick I have heard announcers referring this song as bhajan wondered if this can be called a bhajan.
https://youtu.be/gakH0yfCGtA
Mr Muli @53,
Excellent analysis. Mumbaikar8 must be happy to have another lyrics expert on the blog.
Canasya @54,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation.
Bhole Baalma/ Beiman Baalma must be another perennial favourite of our song makers. This has a large number of songs. SoY has some posts on this theme.
Mumbaikar8 @55,
SoY had great ‘Taqdeer’ for sure. When I found such diverse talents patronising the blog, ‘Tadbeer’ was forced upon me.
Wouldn’t contrast of a believer song be a song admonishing the God for all the injustices he inflicts on his children?
Sir. I absolutely enjoy your pieces. As a singer, it’s sheer joy to go through all your blog posts, including this one
The countless possibilities make me chuckle!
Ore maajhi….
Mera Sajan hai us paar main is paar…
BANDINI.
Sajan mere us paar hai
Milne ko dil bekarar hai…
GANGA JAMUNA SARASWATI.
Samay O dheere chalo
…..
Door hai Pee ka gaon…
RUDAALI.
etc, etc, etc…
Contrasting_
Ghar se nikalte hi
Kuch door chalte hi
Raste mein hai us ka ghar…
PAPA KEHTE HAIN.
Mere Piya Gaye Rangoon
Kiya hai wahan se telephone..
PATANGA
Dakiya daak laaya…
PALKON KI CHAON MEIN
A Aa E Ee…
Master ji ki aa gayi chitti.,.
KITAAB
Chitti aayee hai aayee hai chitti aayee hai….
NAAM
Kabootar jaa jaa jaa…
MPK
Sandese aate hain.,,.
BORDER
And, hold your breaths, in a first for our blog , a Garhwali song.
Ghar bati chitti aegyayee.,.
CHAKRACHAL, 1996.
Singer, Lyricist, Composer… Narendra Singh Negi.
https:// youtu.be/ ZQYDqZjUmhl
Contrasting_
Aayegee zaroor chitti sab dekhna…
DULHAN
( It has not arrived!)
Chitti na koi sandes…
DUSHMAN
Jaane chale jaate hain kahan
Duniya se jaane wale
Nahin kadmon ki nishan…
PUSHPANJALI
Abhilasha,
Welcome to Songs of Yore and thanks a lot for your appreciation. I am happy that you found the blog useful in your professional work.
Deewane hain deewanon ko
Na ghar chahiye….
ZANJEER
Tere dil ka makaan
Sainya bada alishan…
DO USTAD
Na chahoon sona chandi..
Na maangoon bangla gaadi…
BOBBY
Contrasting_
Ek bangla bane nyara…
PRESIDENT
Nazar laage Raja tore bangle par…
KAALAPANI
Pyara ek bangla ho
Bangle mein gaadi ho…
AAP KE KHATIR
Do deewane shehar mein…
GHARONDA
Rehne ko ghar do o o o o…
BIWI AUR MAKAN
Subodhji @ 4
2 Neeraj songs mentioned by you include by far the subtlest contrast lines .
Salute to Neeraj, your father & you in that order.
I had posted the following in the morning but I got the message regarding duplicate comment. As the comment has not appeared yet, I am repeating it.
Tribute to Talat Mahmood on his death anniversary ( actually late by 2 days)
Again a pair of pairs featuring a Talat song in each.
1 a) Mohobbat hi na jo samajhe – Parchhai – Noor Lucknowi
Usse to katl karke tadapana hi aata hai
b) mohobbat aisi dhadkan hai – Anarkali – Hasarat
Mere dil ne sajaye hai kec sajade aaj raho mein
2 a) Meri yaad me tum na – Madhosh – Raja Mehdii Ali Khan
b) Tum mijhe yun – Pagala kahi ka – Hasarat
Akji,
“Our philosophy is ‘Neti neti’ (neither this, nor this), therefore, we have peaceful co-existence of contrary views.”
Sorry to bother you with another query. Your writings tickles back my decaying grey cells.
“Neti,Neti” – Can it not be interpreted as gradual negation of all worldly things/ experiences until one reaches the ultimate truth? As Adi Shankara has elaborated in “Nirvana Shatakam” .
Or is it another contrary view? Point to ponder!
AKji, Rahulji,
Pre-Independence days and post Independence years saw village folks, with hope and dream, migrating from their villages to nearby towns/cities like Calcutta in search of livelihood. Of late the scenario has changed. After Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, I believe, Bengal has the largest migrant labour force. Now the new destinations are Mumbai, Delhi, Punjab, Kerala etc. 15% of Kerala’s migrant labourers are from Bengal.
Probably Bimal Roy’s Do Bigha Zamin was the first film to capture the agony of migrant labourers. It is about a farmer forced to move to Kolkata and operate a hand-pulled rickshaw to pay off his debt back home. There are other films too like the 1978 film Gaman. The song “Sine me jalan, aankho me tufaan sa kyun hai, is shahar me har shaks pareshan sa kyun hai” reflects their plight. I remember another film, Bhojpuri film, Bidesiya. Bhookh na jaane baasi bhat, neend na jaane tooti khat, preet na jaane jaat kujaat (Hunger knows no stale rice, sleep knows no broken cot, love knows no barriers of caste). Those were the famous dialogue from Bidesiya, (1963).
Saeed Mirza’s Albert Pinto Ko Gussa Kyun Aata Hai (1980) is about a Mumbai family, but one extraordinary scene pays tribute to the migrant contribution to the city’s workforce. Albert (Naseeruddin Shah) approaches a group of mill workers on strike and asks one of them his name and where he’s from. He replies, and his companions do the same, addressing the camera. They are from Madhya Pradesh, Kerala, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, and Bihar. Each one is regarded separately, in close-up, as if to remind the viewer this isn’t a faceless mass but individuals with hopes and dreams.
There are many Hindi film songs which can be used as mirror(s) to reflect the many contrasting situations and mood of those rural and small town folks.
Hum Toh Chale Pardes:; This song rendered by Md.Rafi depicts the pangs of those leaving their villages.
Sargam (1979), Anand Bakshi, Laxmikant-Pyarelal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRZl8E4ofF8
Although the next song cannot be exactly termed as a contra song, yet I am posting it because it creates a sequence, a continuity. It expresses a request, an underlying hope of return. And the commentary preceding the song adds an appropriate lead up to the song and the situation. It seems this is a cover song (of Mukesh), but the rendition is impressive. Shailendra and S D Burman combines to produce another gem.
O Jane Wale Ho Sake to Laut Ke Aana, Bandini (1963)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_ivLj7dH-Y
Now the contra song. The Ghar Wapsi happens. The situation in the film is different but we can draw parallels with the scenario and the feeling-” Apna ghar phir apna ghar hai”. And it is no different for the migrant workers. The feeling of comfort in their homes, in their native places make them trek for miles with no money, no food.
Aa ab laut chale
Aa ab laut chale
Nain bichaye baahe pasare
Tujhko pukare desh tera
Aankh hamari manzil par hai
Dil me khushi ki masti ki lahar hai
Lakh lubhaye mahal paraye
Shailendra together with SJ
Jis Desh Mein Ganga Behti Hai (1961)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Fu_O7y-dg
to be continued……….
Venkataramanji @65,
I take ‘Neti Neti‘ as न+इति, न+इति. That is, the Supreme Being is ‘Neither this, nor this’. I will have to discuss with some scholar if it is meant in the sense you have suggested.
But for the sake of discussion it can surely mean what you are saying. Not exactly a contrary view, but एको सत् विप्राः बहुधा वदन्ति.
@66,
The suffering and dilemma of the migrant labour we are seeing from our eyes now. It is starker and more real than what we read in literature. Now there is tremendous confusion. In desperation they started on foot, and are now stranded in droves at different places back of beyond. Then there is now talk of opening up of the economy. Should they go back to their workplaces in the hope of resuming their jobs, or carry on towards their villages where the people might have enforced their own lockdown to stop these unwelcome people. Plus there are hardly commensurate economic opportunities there.
You have given excellent songs.
Continued from @66
Even if the Ghar Wapsi is for a few days, see the joy it evokes, the spring in the feet.
Aajaan and Pt.Ravi Shaknkar come together to produce another masterpiece, in the voice of Md.Rafi
Pipra ke Patwa Sareekhe Dole Manwa, Godaan (1963)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T0QiUiMNuw
Among the new destinations, Bombay the Maya Nagai, holds an attraction for many for varied reasons.
Presenting another contrasting situation
Ye Haseen Bambai Apne Ko To Jam Gayi, Mahendra Kapoor & Mukesh,
Holiday in Bombay (1963), lyrics Anjaan, music N Dutta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1WcF_sut4
But all are not that fortunate, like our protagonist in Gaman. Many of them stuck at their place of work. And even those returning during unusual times know they have no recourse other than returning again to their life of drudgery. They try to find solace in social mixing and dancing to their satirical songs.
Bambai Bambai Bam, Disha (1990), lyrics Sai Paranjpe, music Anand Modak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0IaLXmALv8
‘ Zindagi ke safar…’/NARTAKI/1963/Ravi /Rafi
https://youtu.be/9ETGJalcNLU
&
‘ Meri zindagi mein…’/KANYADAN/1968/SJ/Rafi
https://youtu.be/LuiTm_RL7Ac
a) ‘ Do Ghadi woh…’/GATEWAY OF INDIA/1957 /MMohan/Rafi, Lata
https://youtu.be/Sm_tmr7cYQk
b) ‘ Woh jo milte…’/AKELI MAT JAIYO/1963 /MMohan/Lata
https://youtu.be/sQPif5jnpCA
a) ‘ Ab kahan jayen…’/UJALA/1959/SJ/Manna Dey & Chorus
https://youtu.be/FwRT_MfsPUY
b) ‘ Chhodo kal ki…’/HUM HINDUSTANI/1961/ Usha Khanna/Mukesh & chorus
https://youtu.be/ZJ71CWqgvdY
Venkatramanji @ 66
You have opened a new vista of gharwapasi & pardes with a poignant writ up.
I remember Sidharth Bhatia ( in Navketan The modern cinema) arguing. That Navketan was pioneer in breaking the stranglehold of * City- dirty, village- pure” themes in hindi cinema.
In the context of contrast to
Seene me jalan – – – – is shahar mein har shaks pareshan sa kun hai
The following. Song fits bin to Bhatiya’s dichotomy
Gori Tera gaon bada pyara – Chitchor
Note also that there is a perfect contrast between the characters one is forced to migrate & faces severe uncertainties & other untold miseries while the other has a secure government job, unrelated family takingb good care, boss who is a friend & a heroine who falls for him.
Regarding yourv sequence of pardes & lautna how about a song for those who perhaps want to return but are compelled by circumstances to stay put
Bade dino ke baad hum bewatanoko yaad vatan ki mitti aayi hai or
Aye mere pyaare watan.
‘ Sach hue Sapne…’/KAALA BAZAR/1960/ SDB/Asha
https://youtu.be/FtPiTu9SnXE
&
a) ‘ Mera Sundar Sapna …’/DO BHAI/1947/SDB /Geeta Dutt
https://youtu.be/uBQ60nKcZPg
b) ‘ Jeevan Sapna toot …’/ANOKHA PYAR/1948 /Anil Biswas/Lata
https://youtu.be/dAAyWTOU0AY
c) ‘ Sapna mera toot…’/KHEL KHEL MEIN/1975/ RDB/Asha,RDB
https://youtu.be/NGvnsU_9ihA
AK Ji and Rahul Ji,
Many thanks for this treasure hunting post, which is really an absolute brain teaser, finding songs with contrasting colours and emotions.
I’ve tried to take a call, ‘Chand’ and it’s synonyms being the focus.
O chanda, aaj ki raat na dhalna by Lata Mangeshkar and Mahendra Kapoor from Mahabharat composed by Chitragupta
https://youtu.be/dg-eoDV5KmI
Dhire dhire dhal re chanda by Aarti Mukherjee from Angulimaal composed by Anil Biswas
https://youtu.be/l-Rtzx9p13U
Jagmag jagmag karta nikla
Chand poonam ka pyara
Meri chandni bichhad gayi
Mere ghar me hua andhiyara
https://youtu.be/KiG5UeS91aE
Chand mera baadlon me kho gaya
Meri duniya me andhera ho gaya by Talat Mahmood from Pathan composed by Aish Kanwal
https://youtu.be/kzLF6R31T7k
Will be back if approval granted
Yeh hai Bombay …’ /CID/1956/OPN/Rafi,Geeta
https://youtu.be/gQgguMKy5is
‘ Gori chalo na…’/BETI BETE/1964/SJ/Rafi,Asha
https://youtu.be/9YvqtQn_DhU
‘ Tum akele kabhi…’/ AAO PYAR KAREIN / 1964 / Usha Khanna / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/vOfXnZIKpNE
‘ In Bahaaron mein…’ / MAMTA /1966 / Roshan / Rafi , Asha
https://youtu.be/vXOj7KdXGBs
Arvinder Sharmaji @74,
These are surely pair of opposite songs. Please carry on, but if you could find pairs having some general contrasting ideas that would fit more. In any case a short explanation of the contrast would be most welcome.
Rahulji @ 72,
Thank you for the response.
You have pointed out the contrast between the characters in Gaman and Chitchor well.
You have further extended my sequence on Pardes and Ghar Wapsi. Both the songs “Bade dino ke baad hum bewatanoko yaad vatan ki mitti aayi hai” and “Aye mere pyaare watan” will fit the sequence.
With reference to Sahir, the song “Main Zindagi ke saath nibhaata chala gaya” could have been a contrasting song for “ Kabhi Khud pe Khabi halat pe rona aaya”
Over to you for the further comments.
Another thought;
No doubt, both S D Burman and Jaidev gave excellent music for Pyaasa and HumDono respectively. Yet I feel that the songs were lifted to a different plain due to Sahir Ludhyanvi’s lyrics. Sahir Ludhyanvi should score at least a point more than the MDs of the respective films.
AKji @ 67,
Your learned words are enough for me.
You have given a very poignant view on the situation of migrant labour.
Thanks for the answer.
Arvinderji @74,
Aap to Poonam ka chand se ab Eid ka chand ho gaye ho Arvinderji.
Have you ever heard of “Amavasya mein chand ka uday”?
Thanks for the songs.
Venkatramanji,
At @66, you quoted some famous dialogue from Bhojpuri film Bidesia. I invite your attention to a song from this film. This one song has two opposite views.
Similarly, the song ‘Hai aag hamaare Seene Mein’ from Jis Desh Mein Ganga Bahti Hai is a musical debate contrasting two different viewpoints.
1. Isk kare oo jiski jeb mein maal baa re balmu. Bidesia. Manna Dey and Mahendra Kapoor. 1963. MD- S. N. Tripathi, Lyrics- Ram Murti Chaturvedi.
2. Hai aag hamaare seen mein. Jis desh mein ganga bahati hai. 1961. Shailendra, SJ. Manna Dey, Mahendra Kapoor, Geeta Dutt, Lata, Mukesh and chorus.
May I request you and AKji to please give the links. I think I must learn about obtaining links.
Thanks for the creative post.
Shachindra Prasadji @83,
I am giving the link to the post, and expect AKji will give his views .
Isk kare oo jiski jeb mein maal baa re balmu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gDPQHefHNo
Hai aag hamaare seen mein. Jis desh mein ganga bahati hai. 1961. Shailendra, SJ. Manna Dey, Mahendra Kapoor, Geeta Dutt, Lata, Mukesh and chorus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_iyN6B6Bs
This is really a nice topic. You have explained contrast in various aspects of life very well. There are lots and lots of contrasting songs and I agree with Mumbaikar8 that this should be kept for longer period. Muliji has spoken for many of us, because contrast is part of life. ,jaki rahi bhawna jaisi, is a very relevant saying. Every situation brings contrasting emotions and results for various people. In our films there has been endless contrasting situations. Some of them have been highlighted in the write up and many more by friends.
I would like to post some songs on these themes as I have many of them in my mind. But, first I would like to mention another one. God has been invoked in our films in I dont know in how many situations. He is called for changing our taqdeer or changing our paas/door situation or in any of the situations mentioned. In many films his existence has been challenged. Shiv Bhakta which came in 1955 was one such film. I give here two songs from that film. First is ‘humko tera naam lene se wasta’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU_kSMfF8u4
In this he is all for the god, but in the other one he challenges god. This second song is a duet in which the hero’s wife is giving the opposite view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16xN-X2BuB0
There was another film Janam Janam Ke Phere in which the hero is a nastik and all are after him to make him a believer. Soon the situation changes when he becomes a bhakt, he even leaves his wife for finding god and as it always happens in the end a compromising situation is reached. There are two songs from the film, one when he was a nastik and the other when he seeks god and the wife seeks him. First is a triad ‘tu hai ya nahin bhagwan’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2s2KaSLZKs
The second one is a duet in which the husband is after god and wife is after him. ‘zara samne to aa o chhaliye’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtX8KCqGp7Q
Mujhe Tumse Kuchh Bhi na Chahiye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=TMmiQEs4frI&feature=emb_logo
1959 Kanhaiya
The world become interdependent very rapidly and the whole world is suffering with COVID19.
We know for any issue there are both +ve and -ve thinking. Positive is one which is beneficial to many whereas Negative to few. Trouble makers always go negative. Communists and phony secularists remain doubtful.
Venkataramanji@24
“The saying, ‘You are never too old to learn’, is Ok with us, but the adage ‘You cannot teach an old dog new tricks’, perhaps applies to the canine crowd only, and not the senior citizens.”
I am not so sure about that or perhaps I belong to canine crowd In the long journey of life we gain experience but tend to drain out physically emotionally, mentally and even financially depending upon the card we are dealt by destiny. Learning anything and everything is not even worth trying because one might now even have enough time to utilize newly gained knowledge. Unless the journey of learning itself is very exciting.
Venkataramanji@80
Venkataramanji you have cited very good example of contrasting songs from the same movie lyric by nonother than Sahir
Anup came close to it earlier in comment # 5 Kala bazaar songs another great Shailendra
“Another thought;
No doubt, both S D Burman and Jaidev gave excellent music for Pyaasa and HumDono respectively. Yet I feel that the songs were lifted to a different plain due to Sahir Ludhyanvi’s lyrics. Sahir Ludhyanvi should score at least a point more than the MDs of the respective films.”
Don’t you thing some credit of “plain” it reached should go to the singer too.
AK,
Time for some songs
Tum jo mil gaye to jahan mil gaye
https://youtu.be/3GYp_B2J_hI
Contrasting Yeh duniya gar mil bhi jaye to kya hai.
https://youtu.be/7Z6Lr0JYAro
Here Sahir lauding desh
Yeh Desh Hai Veer Jawanon Kaa Naya daur
https://youtu.be/EWnPJY_o7tw
Other Truth
Pyasa Jinhe naaz par hai hind par
https://youtu.be/3ta4BmumQKc
Ravish watchers will go with the later and Arnav’s fan for earlier.
The film Kabhie Kabhie had this pair of contra/complementary songs:
‘Main pal do pal ka shayar hoon’
https://youtu.be/bI10wgbeXgc
and ‘Main har ek pal ka shayar hoon’
https://youtu.be/ZnI1-fJtsSI
Then we have ‘Ek tu jo mila’ from ‘Hamalay Ki God Mein’
https://youtu.be/BzoY6vzqzD8
And ‘Ek tu na mila’ from the same film.
https://youtu.be/z3alztXGzCA
Mumbaikar8 @ 8
I fully agree with your views on ” singers”
Here is one more Arnab- Ravish duel with Manojkumar donning contasting roles
1 a) Hai preet jaha ki reet sada – Purab aur paschim – Indeevar
https://youtu.be/YVJ1O3TEOjs
b) Baki kuch bacha to – Roti Kapada aur Makan – Verma Mallick
Mr Joseph @50, 75, 76,
The contrast was not clear to me.
@69,
In the first case the lovers are in blissful togetherness, in the other the hero still yearns for that situation, but from the expression of the heroine there seems to be some misunderstanding between them. We can interpret it as contrasting pair.
@70, 71,
Can fit with a little stretch.
@73, 77, 78,
Very nice set of contrasts.
Dr Shetty @60, 61,
The contrast is not very clear to me. That is why I requested for explanation of ideas and lyrics which many readers have done.
@63,
Very nice contrast between desire for owning a ghar and detachment about it.
Thanks a lot for your contributions.
Hans ji @ 84
Thanks for your kind words. you have touched upon very thought provoking aspects of contrast & with assurance of more to come from your rich reportorie .
On the subject of God here is what Comes to my mind
Two films separated by more than 25 years featuring legends one of them belonged to twilight period of one legend while the other came from the period of purple patch of that legend
Both the films however had a common backdrop of British Raj .
Sagina has Dilip Kumar singing
Uparwala dukhiyon ki nahi sunata re where Majrooh sounds almost Sahirsque ( bit milder though) when he. Writes
Bhole bhale lalwa khaye ja roti basi
Bada hoke banega chaprasi
Khel khel khel mati me Holi khel
Gaal mein gulal hai na zulfo me tel
Essentially he does accept that there is a god but he does not exist for the downtrodden
Where as more than 25 years later in Lagaan Javed Akhtar in o palan hare nirgun o nyare not only advocates that there is palanhar but he does care for nirbals & poorest of poor
A) uparwala dukhiyo ki
https://youtu.be/SVLoxdUWqdY
B) o palanhare
https://youtu.be/inwE3j28DJw
Venkataramanji @65, 81
Not to labour the point about न+इति, न+इति, but it just occurred to me that the way it is interpreted it can also mean that the Supreme Being is इति च, इति च (He is this too, He is that too, such as (व्यक्त/अव्यक्त, साकार/निराकार, सगुण/निर्गुण). Sounded my scholar friend on this. He agreed that yes, it can mean this. Now just think of it, we were talking about a pair of contrasting ideas, songs. Can you think of any aphorism which contains its exact opposite too within itself? Another manifestation of the Supreme Reality? This makes me wonder why they described Him in Negation. One positive I can see in this negative is that it led to Adi Shankaracharya expanding its meaning to negation of worldly attractions.
Migrants plight would pain even the most insensitive. Incidentally one Yaksh Prashna was, Who was happy? Yudhishthir replied that Happy is the one who, among other things, is अप्रवासी.
Shachindra Prasadji @83, Venkataramanji @84,
Ishq kare u jiski jeb mein maal baa re balamu is an excellent find. Nice Bhojpuri/folk muqabala qawwali. One party says romancing can be the pastime of only the rich, and the other party comes up with a riposte that one has to be a dilwala for ishq. A wealthy man without dil can be a total idiot in romance. I think every muqabala qawwali has two contrasting ideas. Think of Teri mehfil mein kismat aazama kar hum bhi dekhenge, Tere kadamon mein sar apna jhuka kar hum bhi dekheneg. This is also about two views of love.
Hans @85,
Thanks a lot or your appreciation. Since God is the cause of whatever happens on the earth, Bollywood is right in blaming Him when He plays the dice unfairly. Why should He play the dice at all, when He knows what is right and wrong, and accordingly reward and punish? Thanks a lot for giving many shades of God-songs.
Mr Muli @92,
Thanks for expanding the shades of God songs. I only hope He follows Bollywood and does not cause unexpected mass sufferings like the one the world is going through at present. By all means punish those who cause stampede at liquor shops, but why the innocents, why the desperate migrant labour?
Manoj @86,
At the current stage of the graph and the numbers everyone is looking for new statistical parameters to discover a +ve. The Covid19 has swamped the distinction between Commies, Liberals and all kinds of labels.
Mumbaikar8 @87, Mr Muli @89,
Mumbaikar8, your Arnab-Ravish pair by Sahir is brilliant. It is difficult to find such a perfect fit. It has to be about Desh/Deshbhakt and enemies of Desh. But if we stretch a little can this be a Arnab-Ravish pair?
Le jayenge le jayenge, dilwaale dulhaniya le jayeneg
&
Mubarak ho sabko saman ye suhana/Main khsuh hun mere aansuon pe na jana/Main to deewana deewana deewana
If you approve this, then:
Arnab: Tujhko mirchi lagi to main kya karun
Think of Ravish.
Subodh @88,
Nice pairs. Not only from the same film, but also one derived from the other in the same meter.
Single song with contrasting emotions allowed?
TRISHUL
KK, LM, KJJ; Sahir ,Khayyam.
Mohabbat bade kaam ki cheez hai…
Yahi ek Araam ki cheez hai
×
Ye bekaar bedaam ki cheez hai.
×
Ye Kudrat ki inaam ki cheez hai
×
Ye bas naam hi naam ki cheez hai
….
AAR PAAR, 1954.
Sun Sun Sun sun zalima
Pyar humko tumse ho gaya…
Jaa jaa jaa bewafa
Kaise pyar kaisi preet re..
Rafi, Geeta Dutt.
A ched chad song with contrasting views, yes. The heroine is relenting.
But,
Jaa jaa jaa bewafa…
Geeta Dutt solo is seriously contrasting.
AK ji ,
@50 , ‘ Choti si yeh duniya…’
Vyjayantimala’s body language speaks how broken she is when her love has left her for good and that it is a hopeless case . But the contrast is that she is still hoping that she may atleast be able to meet him somewhere someday .
@75 , ‘Yeh hai Bombay …’
All through Johnny Walker says ‘…hai mushkil jeena yahaan…’ but in the end the lady says… ‘ … hai aasan jeena yahaan…’ , which is a clear contrast .
@76 , ‘Gori chalo na …’
Mehmood is continuously warning Shubha Khote about the lurking dangers in the world of love but she is fearless and ready to fight anything and anyone for love . She gives a loud message…love is not for the chicken hearted.
I wonder whether door step delivery of Booze has replaced other trivial issues of present times (After watching a Maharashtra Minister’s interview on ABP Majha)
So I thought that bringing that issue here may be in order .
Binge Drinker V/S Contingent drinker
1 a) Ye lal rang kab mujhe – Premnagar- Anand Bakshi
https://youtu.be/eFa-FuCkVU4
b) Sawan ke Mahine mein – Sharabi – Rajinder Krishan
https://youtu.be/LAq13Iy5GDU
‘ Jeevan ke safar…’/ MUNIMJI/ 1955 /SDB /Kishore Kumar
https://youtu.be/_9kjx2ngbRc
&
a) ‘ Jeevan mein piya…’/GOONJ UTHI SHEHNAI / 1959 / Vasant Desai / Rafi, Lata
https://youtu.be/COfZJ8tPyzU
b)’ Jeevan dor tumhi…’/SATI SAAVITRI /1964 / LP / Lata
https://youtu.be/0ontrxrUaSw
c) ‘ Tujhe jeevan ki…’/ ASLI NAQLI / 1962 / SJ / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/amRMVEXb-xI
Dr Shetty @99, 100,
Single songs having contrasting emotions are very interesting. Your examples are perfect fit.
Mr Joseph @101,
Thanks a lot for the explanations. Without this it was very difficult what contrasts you were referring.
103,
Thanks a lot for the addition of such nice songs.
Mr Muli @102,
It is very gratifying that you gave a thought to the plight of sharabis. You could make out from the stampede, melee, and sometimes police lathis on their back, that they are in a more miserable condition than the migrant labour. Soon artificial limits were imposed, less than needed for survival. Then the shops were shut suddenly. The least they deserved was to be treated with dignity in their misery. I hope home delivery addresses these problems. Thanks for remembering this deprived section, and thanks for posting two interesting songs. Corona is a great leveller. From the videos it didn’t appear that anyone was an occasional drinker.
AK ji @ 106
In fact Dev is vmore hardened drinker in Sharabi than Rajesh in Prem Nagar
But I wrote it in the context of the lyrics.
Sawan ke mahine me
The hero puts 2 conditions
1 sawan ka mahina 2 & aag seene me
Therefore I called him contingent drinker
While in premnagar hero talks about wine as if it is an appendage
Mr Joseph @ 101
Chotisi ye duniya is a beautiful contrast song for
Zindagi ke. Safar me guzar jate hai
( Umrabhar chahe koi pukara kare unka naam
Wo phir nahi aate)
@ 102 & 106
Hungama hai kyun barpa
Thodi si jo pee li hai
Daka to nahi dala
Tijori to Bhar di hai
Rahulji, @ 102
“So I thought that bringing that issue here may be in order .
Binge Drinker V/S Contingent drinker”
Adding “c” category to your drinker or perhaps “d” for Devdas?
Haath Ki Safai 1974 Peene walo ko pineka bahana
https://youtu.be/Wd9IobPCveA
‘ Keh do koi… ‘ / GOONJ UTHI SHEHNAI / 1959 / Vasant Desai / Rafi
https://youtu.be/N70PjB3-ZyA
&
a) ‘Yeh zindagi usi … ‘/ ANARKALI /1953 / CR / Lata
https://youtu.be/1eFso_5-bFc
b) ‘ Zindagi pyar ki… ‘ / ANARKALI /1953 / CR / Hemant
https://youtu.be/fjWC-wwIr8Q
c) ‘ Pyar kar le… ‘ / JIS DESH MEIN GANGA BEHTI HAI / 1960 / SJ / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/zTQgfqWS5MA
Venkataramanji @109
‘Tijori to bhar di hai‘: I am impressed, you have seriously studied the thesis of a famous economist at the WhatsApp Univerity. When a sharabi falls down no one lifts him up, but when the economy collapses only he lifts it up. When the government treasuries go bankrupt, not even able to pay their employees’ salary, sharabi is there at the forefront to contribute even at the risk of infection and police lathis. ऐसे महान देशभक्तों को नमन!
@Mr Muli, Mumbaikar 8,
Thanks for remembering these selfless deshbhakts. Temples, mosques closed, liquor shops open. Harivansh Rai Bachchan had the foresight:
बैर कराते मंदिर मस्ज़िद
मेल कराती मधुशाला
Mr Joseph @111,
Nice contrast of songs on ‘pyar’. I particularly disliked c) in the movie. It seemed to be forced, and picturisation seemed clumsy. In the context of the present theme, if one has to eulogise love you don’t do it with the threat of capital punishment 🙂 .
AKji
I think I still have not grasped the idea behind this concept in full. An abstract idea has been expanded like the expanding universe we live in and presented in a delightful manner. I would dab the post avant garde. No doubt you reign supreme in your world of blogmaster. Cuius regio eius religio.
I am expounding my muddled thinking on the post with the following two songs from the same film – Ek Gaon ki Kahani (1957) both by Talat Mahmood and well known fitting into the theme of horse cart songs. Music was by Salil Chowdhury
Jhoomere neela ambar jhoome-
https://youtu.be/tkUctZEXoyY?t=2
Raat ne kya kya quab dikhayi
https://youtu.be/iD5pNcyQdGU
In the first song Talat Mahmood as a doctor is arriving at the village in a happy mood to serve in that capacity.
In the second song he is leaving the village fully disillusioned at the turn of events with a tearful Mala Sinha watching from the house.
Would this qualify in this post as one of contrast.
A. Can’t live without you.
versus
B. Can’t care less!
A.
Hum tere bin jee na sakenge sanam…
JOURNAIL SINGH.
Tere bina zindagi se koi shikwa toh nahin
….
Tere bina zindagi bhi lekin zindagi toh nahin…
AANDHI
Tere bina jiya jaye na..
GHAR
Hame aur jeene ki chahat na hoti
AGAR TUM NA HOTE
Jiye toh jiye kaise ..
SAJAN
B.
Ab tere bin jee lenge hum
Zehar zindagi ka pee lenge hum.. .
AASHIQUI
AK ji
I conclude sharab chapter on my part with an oft repeated alibi of the tipplier and an antidote often suggested by teatotalers.
A) Mujhe peene ka shauk nahi peeta hun gam bhulaneko – Coolie- Anand Bakshi
https://youtu.be/CCi9D23YxpQ
B) Gam ki dawa to pyar hai , gam ki dawa sharab nahi – Amanush – Indeevar
https://youtu.be/wcUl6dQ6srM
Incidentally this song reminds you instantly
Shokh nazar ki bijaliya from Phool aur Patthar
A correction shokh nazar ki bijaliya from woh Kaun thi
Mr Rangan @114,
I would not be so presumptuous as to explain to you the idea behind the concept. However, I would not include the pair of songs from Raat ne kya kya khwab dikhaye. My focus was on two opposites – proverbs, aphorisms, ideas – which are both truths. The discussions have widened to include songs of similar lyrics or similar phrases but talking of contrasting emotions. Waiting for your comeback.
‘ Barkha Rani Zara… ‘/ SABAK / 1973 / Usha Khanna / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/xuxNvo8ptks
&
‘ Barkha Bairan Zara… ‘/ SABAK / 1973 / Usha Khanna / Suman Kalyanpur
https://youtu.be/N-sSiBsqDn0
Do not know if this pair fits in here.
‘ Kahan le chale … ‘ / DURGESH NANDINI /1956 / Hemant Kr / Lata
https://youtu.be/OjI24lrCR14
&
‘ Bheega Bheega Pyar… ‘ / SAWAN / 1959 / Hansraj Behl / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/QuoX9FhJMX0
Muli ji @107
You said in Sharabi Dev puts two conditions. There is a saying सावन के अंधे को हरा ही हरा दिखाई देता है. दारूबाज ka bhi hardam sawan rehta hai. I would have cited the ‘peenewalon ko’ for this but that has been mentioned by Mumbaikar8. So far as the other condition is concerned, when the appointed hour cometh the दारूबाज always feels this aag si seene men. You must have heard the song
याद आयी आधी रात को कल रात की तौबा
दिल पूछता है झूमके किस बात की तौबा
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YMD0I3e91Y
My father used to mention a sher
शाम को पी ली सुबह को तौबा कर ली
रिन्द के रिन्द रहे हाथ से जन्नत न गयी
I think this ‘seene ki aag’ is utilised by the govt – as suggested by AK – to improve our economy as well as the economy of our great police force, whose greatness is being recognised by throwing flower petals by the modern devtas (armed forces) in this COVID opportunity.
Hans ji @ 121 AK Ji @106
AK ji had raised his finger ( last line ) now Hans ji through DRS confirmed it. I accept the decision & send the next man in to face Ye lal rang
Sharab cheez hi aisi hai na chhodi jaye
https://youtu.be/p6XDq_mvmQw
‘ Yeh jo mohabbat…’ /KATI PATANG / 1970 / RDB / Kishore
https://youtu.be/YIWX9vCffms
&
‘ Hai duniya usi… / KASHMIR KI KALI /1964 / OPN / Rafi
https://youtu.be/i85EpitOIkM
a) ‘ Aasman pe hai…’ /PHIR SUBAH HOGI / 1958 / Khayyam / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/st_ZyLzXvvE
b) ‘ PK ‘ / 2014
https://youtu.be/vfn3mUlBzh8
&
‘Parvar digare aalam…’ / HATIMTAI /1956 / SNTripathi / Rafi
https://youtu.be/Rad2gbRFY8w
In 1964 there were two films ‘aaya toofan’ and ‘aayi milan ki bela’, which discussed the kamsin nature of the fair sex. One said ‘abhi kamsin ho nadaan ho janejana, kya karogi mera dil tod dogi mera dil pehle seekho dil lagana’. The other said ‘tum kamsin ho nadaan ho najuk ho’. The second one was replied in the film as ‘ main kamsin hoon’, though it cannot be strictly called a contra song. Link to the first one is given here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbHxjMhPQew
This song is lip synced by Manohar Deepak, who has to his credit some of the great songs filmed on him. ‘Ki main jhooth boliya’ and ‘hujoorewala’ come to mind. In the song ‘huzoorewala jo ho ijazat’ Helen and Madhumati are addressing the song to him and he keeps mum. As he had already told Madhumati and her dancer friend that they are kamsin, so he thought it better to be silent in 1966. Link to the Ye Raat phir na aayegi song. I think this is a fit contra song pair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ym4uOOtEo
There is one more pair of songs on the same theme.
Gore hathon par na zulm karo from film Pyar Kiye Ja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVL05WlA3c0
Here the hero is talking about ‘nazuk’ ladies. But in Vaasna the hero is reprimanding her for the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuMfBo17vgk
Tera jalwa jisne dekha wo tera ho gaya – Ujala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLvnK4VlGc
This one talks about the jalwa in a positive sense. Then comes the song from Mere Huzoor ‘rukh se jara nakab utha do mere huzoor, jalwa phir ek baar dikha do mere huzoor’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTwtrF243kY
Now, look at this song from Dil Ne Phir Yaad Kiya, ‘Humne jalwa dikhaya to jal jaoge’. Is this not a contra song of the two above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JFrb7L3tAg
AKji
@94. You spoke of very popular muqabla kawwali songs with contrasting ideas. That reminds me of a poular song, of course a muqabla song, with a difference. I consider this song rather offbeat with respect to the core concept and wavelength of this post. Yet, the aphoristic lyrics of great Shailendra convincingly qualify it for inclusion here. The hero and the heroine are on collage stage posing questions to each other that are clearly answered through counter questions. Harmony and contradiction coexist in every stanza.
Lata and Rafi have sweetly sung under Shankar Jaykishan.
Please link it up if you think it fits the bill. Please listen it on you tube.
‘Ek sawal main karoon, ek sawal tum karo’, Sasural, 1961.
Hans @125,
Very interesting analysis of ‘kamsin’. this took me back to classic commercials of Amul Chocolate. You would remember this centred around internal contradiction, such as
1. ‘I am too old for balloons, too young to miss cartoons/ But I think you are just right for Amul Chocolates’
2. ‘I am too old for uniform, too young to be reformed/ But I think you are just right for Amul Chocolates’
‘Kamsin’ seems something like that, she may be too old for frocks, too young to understand politics, but she is just right for ishq.
@126,
Interesting ‘jalwa’ contrast. But our philosophy is synthesis of different views. There must be a way to harmonise them.
Shachindraji @127,
Nice song fitting the theme perfectly. Every stanza has an inner contradiction and its resolution. Here is the song:
Ek sawal main karun ek sawal tum karo by Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar from Sasural, lyrics Shailendra, music Shankar-Jaikishan
If there were to be a grading system for contrast songs this pair would definitely qualify for A +++
A Duniya mein hum aaye hai to jeena hi padega – Mother India – Shakeel
B is duniya me jeena hai to –
Gumnam – Hasarat
Contrast in these 2 songs starts from the first line & runs all through 2 antaras.
The first one talks of jeher peena while the second talks of living with gay abandon.
Nargis is professing about musibate, aag pe chalana while Helen is hell bent on hasana , gaana, zulf, ghata & even Aish.
Continuing their respective stances in the second antara Nargis presents woman as pativrata with laaj ka dharam and Helen portrays herself as albeli Chingari inviting everybody to take lessons from her .
A song of internal contrasts . It repeatedly emphasises the nature of life that… you shall have some sad situations and some happy situations.
‘ Yeh jeevan hai… /PIYA KA GHAR / 1972 / LP / Kishore Kr
https://youtu.be/IEcYHmAbznE
In this song you hear internal contrast all through . After mentioning of ups and downs of life the line … ‘ udasi bhare din kabhi toh dhalenge ‘ is repeated . The song repeats … dark times shall always end which means good times are sure to follow.
‘ Kahan tak ye… ‘ / BATON BATON MEIN / 1979 / Rajesh Roshan / Kishore Kr
https://youtu.be/Hz_19oNVX1A
Mr Muli @130,
This is superb. I don’t know whether this would get A+++, but on one hand you have,
Khullam khulla pyar karenge hum dono. Here both declare,
दोनों प्यार हम करते हैं चोरी नहीं/
हम वो करेंगे जो दिल कहे हमको ज़माने से क्या/
जिनको ये अजी ये खज़ाना मिले देख के उनको दुनिया जले
They also do not refrain from mocking others who are not so unabashed,
देख वो इश्क़ चुपके से फरमा रहे हैं
है क्या मज़ा दिल ही दिल में घबरा रहे हैं
Contrast this with Pyaas kuchh aur bhI bhadaka di jhalak dikhala ke, tujhko parda rukh-e-roshan se hatana hoga. And this is what Shyama (Asha Bhosle) replies to the desperate pleading of Talat Mahmood (actor-singer),
चांद आईना मेरा तारे मेरे नक़्श-ए-कदम
ग़ैर को आंख मिलाने की तमन्ना क्यों है/
हमने अच्छा किया घबरा के मुंह फेर लिया
इससे कम दिल के तड़पने की सज़ा क्या होगी
If this passes muster then new-age love songs and old soft, romantic songs would present a perfect contrast.
Eagerly waiting to meet his love
‘ Ae husn Zara… ‘ / MERE MEHBOOB / 1963 / Naushad / Rafi
https://youtu.be/vhGONVGXdKs
&
And when they actually meet
‘ Husn jab jab … ‘ / NEEND HAMARE KHWAB TUMHARE/1966 / MM / Rafi, Asha
https://youtu.be/NhJMEMeUSlY
The painful , tearful and agonising wait ..
‘ Ab to aa … ‘ / POONAM /1952 / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/wHGHXn4ulT8
&
And when the wait is over..
‘ Aaj sakhi mora … ‘ / RAM AUR SHYAM / 1967 / Naushad / Lata
https://youtu.be/AN2-Byj2j40
A song of internal contrasts. The contrasting messages … though there may be hundreds of problems in life but we must face life with a smile.
‘ Do din ke … ‘ / POONAM / 1952 / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/5zDSo0PKKUA
A contra pair from Anokhi Ada (1948), Shaqeel Badayuni, Naushad
Ye Pyaar KI Baten Ye safar Bhool Na Jaana
Dil Cheen Ke Jate ho Kidar Bhool Na Jana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUKUrlUxxSc
Bhoolne wale Yaad Na Aa, Bhoolne wale Yaad Na Aa,
Dekh Hame Majboor Na Kar, Tujhko Kasam Dukh Door Na Kar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAhOAuPRTQc
AKji @ 130
Thanks for appreciation
Actually I had khullam khulla in my list pitted against
Main tujhse milne aayi mandir jane ke bahane from Heera but your choice is far better.
As regards contrast between old age & new age love , we often tend to put new age love in physical rather than platonic compartment. But here is a contrast to that contrast
a) where old age love is yearning for physical presence in the form of a wailing lament
Laut ke aa – Rani Roopmati –
– Bharat Vyas
b) new age hero philosophically accepting the absence ( may be he is a businessman therefore converts problem into opportunity)
Tera na hona hi – Jab We Met – Iqbal Kamil
Mr Joseph has mentioned laut ke aa earlier but with other song.
Muli ji @ 122
I mentioned the songs in a lighter vein only, though I agree with AK that there not much contrast in the two song situations.
@ 130
You have a great expertise in searching contrast in the songs. You also study lyrics very closely. Since you are on duniya, l would also like to post a few songs though with a different turn. In most of the golden era films the leading pair were faced with the wrath of general public. There is a great song by Sahir in Bahu Begum ‘duniya kare sawal to hum kya jawab den’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHqdKJMoEoE
I have two different counters to this. First, KK from Amar Prem ‘kuchh to log kahenge’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95UdAo4JdJI
But in the secong Asha Bhonsle is very crude when she says ‘aji hum aur tum hon sath sath aur mast raat, duniya ko maar do bum’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRNx3Tj-dsM
Hansji @139
Simply brilliant choice of contrast ( duniya kare sawal & kuch to log ) . Both the songs are very high my favorite list. Th third one by Asha , I do not recall & will have to listen
Thanks for kind words. Though a die hard SD fan I believe that lyrics are equally important at least for the song to remain relevant even after 50- 60 years . For short term success even khatiyas & kabutars can serve the purpose.
AK, Rahulji, Hans,
Getting very interesting .
Rahulji @130″ Duniya mein hum aaye hai to jeena hi padega” has absolutely different truth and contra from mine.
I had thought about but it but got lazy to post.
My truth and contra for Duniya me hum aaye to jeena hi padenga was on “ have and have nots”
For haves the song that came to my mind was
Jab dil hi toot gaya hum jeek kya karnege,Shahjahan
https://youtu.be/7lZLePeN7BA
And for have nots duniyame hum aaye to jeena hi padenga.
Yesterday watching migrant’s plight Mother India’s shots come alive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjYhUk6M0iM
Back to fiddling.
Contra ghunghat songs
Hata de ghunghat from Fareb.
https://youtu.be/OZHt4wHp4ts
Ghunghat to zara odho Teen deviyan
https://youtu.be/M9oQZQvCQqE
Mumbaikar8,
Ghunghat offers many possibilities. It is a barrier to achieving the reality, but on the way the lady can be playful:
Ghunghat nahin kholun re sainya tore aage.
One who has understood the truth is matter of fact:
Ghunghat ke pat khol re tohe piya milenge
But if someone gets distracted by illusions, improper desires, there might be kalank:
Mora dheere se ghunghat hataye piya mohe chandrakalanki bataye piya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwZbu64VZM
‘ Yeh kaun aaya …/ SAATHI / 1968 / Naushad/ Lata
https://youtu.be/vM-djzXi9sk
‘ Yeh duniya yeh…’ / HEER RANJHA / 1970 / MM / Rafi
https://youtu.be/jFNEVz6pqio
Akji, Mumbaikarji,
The songs presented here or the write-up may not be exactly related to the theme of the post, contra songs. But linking it to the comments of Mumbaikarji @ 141, I am taking the liberty to give a touch of contradiction. I hope you would excuse me for this transgression.
@141,
‘ ”Duniya mein hum aaye hai to jeena hi padega” has absolutely different truth and contra from mine.
I had thought about but it but got lazy to post.
My truth and contra for Duniya me hum aaye to jeena hi padenga was on “ have and have nots”.
Serious thought and reflections do occur during trifling times. And there will be lighter moments during darker times, too. That reminds me of a saying by a German playwright and poet.
“In the dark times
Will there also be singing?
Yes, there will also be singing
About the dark times.”
Hindi cinema has songs expressing every possible human impulse, fun, romantic and sad songs. Lyricists like Sahir Ludhyanvi, Shailendra, Gulzar have railed against injustice and rallied for the cause of have-nots/ downtrodden. Chali Kaunse Desh Gujariya Too Saj Dhaj Ke, Mehnat Kash Insan Jaag Utha, Haal Chaal Theek Thaak Hai, Yeh Mahalon Yeh Takhton, Yeh Tajon Ki Duniya etc etc.
Sahir Ludhianvi presents some bitter home truths about the lives of the poor and the homeless with an intense satire. Most of will know the background of the lyrics and the satire aimed at. I am not going into those details.
Chin-o-arab hamara, hindostan hamara
Rahane ko ghar nahi hai, sara jahan hamara
Hindostan hamara
In the end he presents a glimmer of hope.
Patala hai hal-e-apana, lekin lahu hai gadha
Phaulad se bana hai, har naujavan hamara
Mil-julake is vatan ko, aisa sajayege ham
Hairat se munh takega sara jahan hamara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoIQxfTQ1sE
But it is not despondency alone; there are songs of optimism, hope and positive vibes, reminding us not to slip into despair as we battle our own dark times.
Borrowing a few lines from poet Faiz Ahmed Faiz.
“Dil Na Umeed To Nahi Nakam Hi To Hai,
Lambi Hai Gham Ki Shaam Magar Shaam Hi To Hai”
“The heart isn’t hope-less, after all…it is only helpless
the night of despair is (admittedly) long; but it is only a night…after all!”
Echoing the above sentiments Sahir Ludhyanvi wrote,
Woh Subah Kabhi To Aayegi, Mukesh & Asha Bhosle, Khayyam, Phir Subah Aayegi (1958)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue-hEmMyMvc
Almost 60 years later producers of Begum Jaan (2017) found the song still relevant.
Woh Subah Hami Se Aayegi, Arijit Singh and Shreya Ghoshal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLFpx-24ENw
On Ghoonghat there are numerous songs .
Here the lady is being told not hide in the ghoonghat
‘ Gori ghoonghat mein…’ / GHOONGHAT / 1960 / Ravi / Asha
https://youtu.be/JGnbXSCdGsw
But in these two songs the lady is persuaded to cover / covering herself in the ghoonghat
b ) ‘ Ghoonghat hata na …’ / SAPAN SUHAANE / 1961 / Salil Choudhary / Lata & chorus
https://youtu.be/iWXj57A4kZ0
c) ‘ Ghoonghat nahi kholoongi…/ MOTHER INDIA / 1957 / Naushad / Lata
https://youtu.be/HgxzXkuHfu0
This song has internal counter as the main theme is ‘ … parada nashin ko be-parda na kar doon toh… ‘
‘ Parda hai parda … / AMAR AKBAR ANTHONY / 1975 / LP / Rafi
https://youtu.be/Ch-i9iBrCYQ
AK ji
Parada is a variant of ghungat.
There were 2 films featuring Sanjay Khan having a song each on parda hatana
A) ye parada hata do – Prem Dhawan
A sophisticated request by Sanjay Khan to Sadhana
https://youtu.be/IgaxVsCd-I0
B) parda hata de , mukhada dikha de – Madhavi – Anand Bakshi
https://youtu.be/hDugodyk8H0
A more rustic one by Mehmood to Aruna
It is a forgotten & forgettable film in which One Deepa made her first & perhaps the last appearance. But I had seen it & remember it more for another song saanjh savere adharo pe mere by Lata
And counter to both is given by Asha Parekh in a more famous number
C) parde me Rahane do – Shikar – Hasarat
https://youtu.be/lthlT_CWzmo
I am shifting focus back to god.
Phir subah hogi & chandan both were released in 1958.
Song from phir subah hogi is typically Sahir’s with sarcasm & black humor where he says
Aaj kal wo kisiko rokaya nahi
Chahe kuch bhi kijiye tokta nahi
Ho Rahi hai loot pat phat rahe hai bum
Aasma pe hai khuda aur jamee pe hum
Aaj kal wo is taraf dekhta hai
Kum
This is countered by Rajinder Krishan in Chandan
Chup chup koi daka dale
Ya kare khun
Ho jaye usko automatic telephone
Are chobis ghante jage
Uski aankh kabhi na lage
Bachke rahana dekh raha
Hai sab kuch Uparwala
Here there is internal countering . Though in love they are denying this .
‘ Tere husn ki … / LEADER / 1964 / Naushad / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/l9gbU0Qd3bI
Here again there is internal countering . Kishore Kumar is confident but Nargis says in matters of the heart nothing can be said .
‘ Chaand raat tum… ‘ / HALF TICKET / 1961 / Salil Choudhary / Kishore , Lata
https://youtu.be/zFO9QvDV3JI
In previous post please read Madhubala for Nargis . It is a big mistake though unintentional error . Sorry for the mistake.
AK @ 128
This Amul oldie was telecast alongwith Ramayan etc in the beginning, when there were less ads. Felt nice with nostalgia.
Actually you have covered examples from many fields of life in your write up. The themes presented and others mentioned by friends are bringing a storm of songs to my mind. I am trying to limit them by connecting them with words and phrases and looking for contrasts. Here is another word ‘uljhan’. The first song is ‘uljhan suljhe na’ from Dhund, with beautiful use of both the words taqdeer and tadbeer in the last antra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI9oPHDbn38&t=140s
The second is ‘apne jeevan ki uljhan ko’ from Uljhan 1975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2KiWyjAZ1k
The third is ‘ye zindagi ki uljhanen’ from Gharana – lyrics by Shakeel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppVkl1LDCog
The contra song is from Nartaki. ‘Zindagi ki uljhanon ko bhoolkar’ again written by Shakeel. Was he writing it as a counter to the gharana song, because the song is a mujra song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5y2ajPvGCM
@142
This ghoonghat debate brought to mind what Harivanshrai Bachchan wrote in his autobiography. He told there that his friend’s wife was always in parda whenever they met him. Bachchan was always curious how she looked. Once she appeared without parda and he was shocked to find her very ugly. He commented there ‘isko to ghunghat men hi rahna chahiye tha’ or some such words. So is the song ‘parde men rahne do parda na uthao, parda jo uth gaya to bhed khul jayega’ not fit for the situation. 🙂
This song has been posted by Muli ji @147.
Dil ka diya jala ke gaya from Akashdeep. Another Chitragupta gem for Lata Mangeshkar.
https://youtu.be/XzSJ03ihghU
Lata again ‘mere man ke diye’ from Parakh.
https://youtu.be/tkVxXZVx7l8
Bujha diye hain khud apne hathon muhabbaton ke diye jalake by Lata sing alike Suman Kalyanpur in Shagoon.
https://youtu.be/G5Vn-c90Cq0
Muli ji
I am posting contra songs on addressed to Ram. Normally we find more songs addressed to Krishan.
Hey rom rom men basne wale Ram main tujhse kya mangu. Here Waheeda is reluctant in asking for favours though she herself is in big trouble.
https://youtu.be/Vh2eHuYlOH0
Duniya men tera hai bada naam from Loafer. Here Om Prakash threatens ‘kar doonga sare jag men tujhe badnam’ asking for recovery of Dharmendtra.
https://youtu.be/evUaRzK-I9c
Mumbaikar8 & AK
Though this is not a ghunghat song but his confident claim makes it appear like that. ‘Nazar bachakar chale gaye wo warna ghayal kar deta’.
https://youtu.be/b-jmQqyJC6Y
In the above song Shammi Kapoor seeks a meeting of the eyes. But OP Ralhan wishes to avoid the nazar which is haunting him. ‘Mere dil ke andar chalati hai khanjar, bacha lo mujhe is nazar se bacha lo’ from Phool Aur Patthar.
https://youtu.be/XYuh0ng4t_w
A song with internal contra .
‘ Lara lapa Lara… ‘/ EK THHI LADKI /1949 / Vinod ( Eric Robert’s ) / Lata , GM Durrani
https://youtu.be/BmF5M3MjPog
A song with internal contra .
‘ Aana meri jaan… ‘ / SHEHNAI /1947 / CR / Chitalkar Ramchandra , Meena Kapoor , Shamshad Begum
https://youtu.be/eQT_HmOUdRc
Venkataramanji @144
“But it is not despondency alone; there are songs of optimism, hope and positive vibes, reminding us not to slip into despair as we battle our own dark times.”
Absolutely Jan Nisar Akhtar has done it beautifully in this song.
Gham ki andheri raat mein Sushila
https://youtu.be/gK1GfgrPkFY
Hans, AK,
The Uljhan created by you led me to qarar.
Contrasting songs for Qarar
Bekarar Karke Hume Yun Na Jaiye | Hemant Kumar | Bees Saal Baad
https://youtu.be/xpIJQri622A
mera qarar leja mujhe beqarar kar ja…Talat
https://youtu.be/2i4AHBDz_mQ
And now to a topic that is # 1 in whatsapp forward. Particulary male groups.
SHAADI
mubarak ho dulha dulhan ko ye shaadi rafi pak daman
https://youtu.be/T3o-TqxcV5k
Hum Tum Jise Kahta Hai – Johny Walker, Mohammed Rafi, Kaagaz Ke Phool
https://youtu.be/ugWDrzDVq8Y
Mumbaikar8 ji @158
Now qurar leads to Chain
Two beautiful songs which in mukhada express more or less similar feeling of bechaini but the contrast lies in antaras of the songs
A) Perhaps the swan song of OP – Asha combo exit of which was not recorded onscreen
Chain se humko Kabhi – Pran Jaye par- SH bihari
The second antara
Aapka gam jo is dil mein din raat agar hoga
Sochke ye dam ghutata hai
Fir kaise basar hoga
Kaash na aati apni judai aut hi aa jati
Koi bahane chain hamari
Ruh to pa jaati
Ek pal hasana kabhi
Dil ki lagi ne na diya
B) & how beautifully MM – Lata combo deal with
Hum pyar me jalanewalo ko – Jailer- Rajinder Krishan
The first antara of which goes
Bahalaye gar dil na bahale
To aise bahalaye
Gam hi to hai pyar ki daulat
Ye kah kar samjhaye
Apna man chalane walo ko
Chain kahan aaram kahan
Note also reference to jeher in chain se as opposed to pyar. Ki daulat in hum pyar me.
Mumbaikar8, Hans, Mr Muli, Venkataramanji,
Mr Muli gave me a task which I thought I performed well. Now you have created so much uljhan that I have lost all my qaraar.
अब जायें तो जायें कहां?
I really envy the guy who has no such dilemma.
मैं जहां चला जाऊं बहार चली आये महक जाये राहों के फूल
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgHjUMQzVaU
Then Swami Venkataraman comes in and says, सब जगत मिथ्या है. Get rid of all the illusions, follow one path and that will take you to the Supreme Being.
अलग अलग पथ बतलाते सब पर मैं ये बतलाता हूं
राह पकड़ तू एक चला चल पा जायेगा मधुशाला
I am willing to try even that though I am a teetotaller, but the police lathis deter me. I salute the deshbhakts who braved all that to contribute to the empty state coffers. But this filled me with shame at myself, and I asked friends for guidance, is there a way for the non-sharabis to become deshbhakt? Their advice brought me to square one – buy liquor, you may not drink but we would.
Now,
जाऊं कहां बता ऐ दिल दुनिया बड़ी है संगदिल
चांदनी आई घर जलाने सूझे ना कोई मंजिल
How is manzil so clear to some?
मंज़िल वही है प्यार के राही बदल गये
But we know the perils of pyar.
हम प्यार में जलनेवालों को चैन कहां आराम कहां
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXQY5otyhJ8
But when her heart is singing in fire there is no dearth of preachers who would counsel her, अब पछताये होत क्या जब चिड़िया चुग गई खेत? Is that so simple? I have to sometimes tell my wife, it is no use crying over spilt milk – after all the loss is so trivial. And every time she blows her top, hits the ceiling and flies off the handle – all at once.
Yet, there are times when you have to lock the stable after the horses have bolted. At least keep those remaining inside. But in spite of promises of food, shelter and monthly cash doles in their accounts, the shramiks forced open some gates and escaped helter-skelter. There was a period of confusion whether to lock or open, until Shramik Specials were organised. But there are thousands stranded all over, hundreds of miles away from either their देस or परदेस.
Now the Racecourses have to open to keep the wheels of economy running. But where are the horses? Would they come back? There is a talk of taking Racecourses local, at Bareilly, Balia, Buxar?, Raipur, Ratlam, Rae Bareilly?
My mind is reeling.
उलझन सुलझे ना रस्ता सूझे ना
जाऊं कहां मैं, जाऊं कहां
Oh, no! I am getting sucked into the same circularity. Please help me get out of this भूल भुलैया. 🙂
AK ji @ 159
IT is a tribute to your concentration & patience apart from vast repertoire that you are holding the fort for sob long & in the face of consistent bambarding from us analysing the things rationally – despite being a teatotaller.
Had I been in your place I would have thrown in the towel saying
Main thak gaya hoon mujhe sone do – Musafir – Gulzar
To all those who are saying
Na soyenge na sone denge – Mr Romeo – Anand Bakshi
Mr Muli,
Thanks a lot but I know you perfectly understand my plight. I am waiting to hear from the other suspects.
Keen to know PARWANA
‘ Ae shama tu …’ / DASTAN / 1950 / Naushad / Suraiya
https://youtu.be/dR9IsGMmUQI
b ) ‘ Mehfil mein tere …’ / ROOPLEKHA / 1962 / Nashad / Rafi , Suman Kalyanpur
https://youtu.be/FLt1STB92j0
&
And here you get to see PARWANA
c) ‘ Mehfil mein meri … ‘ / ALBELA / 1951 / CR / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/6flm1bMmYiE
Akji @150,
First of all let me compliment you for an excellent rhetoric.
I do not have the techniques or the skill to express my views in a subtle manner. I will leave the task to the other accomplished members to whom you have also addressed your comments.
You have singularly chosen me to bestow the privilege of “Swami”. There are diverse hues of Swamis and Swamys around and abound. But I have only one Paramahamsa to guide me through.
Venkataramanji,
Thanks a lot, but you are the undisputed Master.
AK ji,
Arre! Aap aur unresolved uljhane!
Here is another teetotaler in the group, but not singing
Apne jeevan ke uljhan ko kaise main suljhaaoon…..
Instead, he sings….
Jeevan hai ek sapna
Madhur suhana sapna….
Yes, you can take a teetotaler to the bar/ party with you, but can’t make him/ her drink. Oh! Isn’t it something originally said about the horses!
Let us be forewarned…. Gamesters and Race horses don’t last long! So, I shall better ride an ass than a horse that will throw me down!
Swami Venkataraman ji ,in an earlier post, hinted at he being my Genie and me his Aqa/ Swami! In reality, he is the Swami ( Master) of everything he surveys!
Dr Shetty,
Any medical professional is also a psychiatrist. I am Ek and the brains trying to break free of the Lockdown are Anek. Therefore, you would appreciate my plight.
Welcome to the ‘Useless Club’, if you are a vegetarian too, you would be upgraded to the ‘Most Useless Club‘. Fortunately, we are so minuscule that the world is in safe hands with the socially useful people.
They know you can only take the horse to the bar but you can’t make him drink, but now this Truth has been amended to, “Take the ass to the bar, if he does not drink, he pays for it“.
AK,
Belated congratulations on a very topical and interesting post. Here’s a contra-pair from my side:
Suraiyya and Shyam sing
‘Saath hi jeena, saath hi marna
Ulfat ki hai reet haan’
in ‘Tu mera chaand, main teri chaandni’ written by Shakeel Badayuni and tuned by Naushad for ‘Dillagi’ (1949)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgHhmQUXQLk
Rafi sings
‘Janam maran ka mel hai hai sapna, yeh sapna bisra de
Koi na sang mare’
in ‘Man re tu kaahe na dheer dhare’ written by Sahir Ludhianvi and tuned by Roshan for ‘Chitralekha’ (1964)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA2FhgF6VY4
Ashwin,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Nice pair of contra-songs. Another very befitting song for part A of the pair is:
Marana teri gali mein, jeena teri gali mein – Lata Mangeshkar, Shabab.
Oh! So obvious …
Mera jeevan kora kagaz
Kora hi reh gaya…
KORA KAGAZ.
Mera jeevan kuch kaam na aaya
Jaise sookhe ped ki saaya….
MERA JEEVAN.
Contrasting….
Kora kagaz tha ye man mera
Likh liya naam ispe tera.
Soona angan tha jeevan mera
Bas gaya pyar ispe tera…
ARADHANA.
AK
First let me relate a story. In the early 90s during a Departmental training we went on a study tour to Udaipur. On the way went to see Aamer Fort which has a भूल भुलैय्याँ . One of our colleagues who was from Orissa slipped into that unknown to us despite warning on the placard and also by his friend from the same Ministry. We had to wait for around one hour before the attendant brought him. It was early January and he was sweating.
This was just a story. But a भूल भुलैय्याँ with everything you need and internet connection to boot should be welcome. Although you do not have the bottle but the intoxication of SOY and old songs is enough. You must have heard नशा शराब में होता तो नाचती बोतल or किसी को हरे हरे नोट का नशा है। You also have recourse to
हम और तुम और ये समां क्या नशा नशा सा है
In fact you have slipped into this state on your own because suggestions were made to get out of the uljhan. But you you chose to lose your करार।
You know I am in the ‘most useless club’ but sometimes very useful ideas come in my useless mind or may be in my useless mind I consider them as useful. It came into mind that Buxar Ballia etc you suggested for local racecourses might as well seek a local PM. What would happen then.
Though I have no solace for you but I will give song and contra song on bhulna.
Mujhe bhool jana agar ho sake from Taqdeer
https://youtu.be/mMW1DkYkpcY
And ‘tum mujhe yun bhula na paoge’ from Pagla Kahin Ka
https://youtu.be/vLxa-UBw-YQ
Hans,
Thanks a lot for your very inspiring words. You have proved that the Most Useless People also get useful ideas. In fact I had already started getting out of my uljhan, and I got a very useful idea how to contribute to the National अर्थव्यवस्था without being a sharabi and without the risk of police lathis. I have asked my friends to keep all the invoices of the liquor they buy during the Lockdown period, and I would reimburse them for the taxes. I hope they don’t wake up that all their पुण्य will be transferred to me.
Mumbaikar8
Very nice songs and perfect contra songs. There are a number of such songs on Shaadi, but this मेरा करार लेजा is really unique for bekaraari songs. Here are some shaadi songs.
Mera yaar bana hai dulha from Chaudhvin ka Chand
https://youtu.be/NHwEMEvwOWU
Gori ho kali ho ya nakhrewali ho from Biwi O Biwi
https://youtu.be/PkRfUFa_GQ0
CONTRA
Johny Walker specials
‘Haseenon ki ankhon ka’ from Pyar ka Sapna
https://youtu.be/JV6SrBLnJzc
‘Hum bhi kash kunware hote’
https://youtu.be/zuvGVqR8jNs
AK ji @ 173
From Ashwin ji @ 167 seems like second wave in the offing.
Hans ji @ 173
Here is another perfect pair of shadi contrast
A): Shaadi ke liye Rajamand kar li – Devi – Anand Bakshi
During those days we use to think that Sanjeev Kumar had got his leave sanctioned for shaadi
B) wo pari kaha se lau – Pehchan -Varma mallik
Many of us here are nearing or already crossed 60. I think everybody knows ‘main ka karun raam’. In this song Raj Kapoor is very agitated. That was a film, but even if somebody calls us Buddha we may feel it. I may tell here that in Haryana rural areas, old husband wife call each other budha and budhia in lighter vein. Question is was there a perfect contra song for ‘main ka karun raam’. It may seem impossible but it is not. Here it is
समझा मैं किस्मत खुल गयी
मुझको राम बुढ़िया मिल गयी
Lo! Even raam is there.
https://youtu.be/UUatdxXAShs
The film is 5 Dushman. Lyrics Majrooh and music RDB. I am not posting link to the Sangam song.
There is another song which can be considered contra song
‘Mere budhape ko tu cash kar le’ from Apna Khoon.
https://youtu.be/Eaj8byjEyic
Another pair of contra songs with a complaint of exactly opposite colour made to the lover.
‘Meri zindagi men aate’ from Kanyadaan.
https://youtu.be/LuiTm_RL7Ac
‘Meri zindagi men tum kyun aaye’ from Goonj.
https://youtu.be/NGzjUknqhyk
AK, Venkataramanji, Hans,
All the gyanis and master have lost hope मुझ नाचीज़ की क्या हिम्मत.
High teetotaler is a gone case.
Let us do our mazdoori of posting songs.
Nain ladana aur nain milana.
Nain Lad Jaihein To Manva Ma Kasak Hoibe Kari – Gunga Jumna
https://youtu.be/ya5h0g39UvI
Main to tum sang nain mila ke..Lata
https://youtu.be/XQonGT4CbUo
Kantoon se Rishta
Kaanton Se Kheench Ke Ye Aanchal.. Guide
https://youtu.be/hCmOGikiNoQ
Mile Na Phool To Anokhi Raat
https://youtu.be/7xIfJdD4AIU
Hans thanks for encouraging words.
Hansji @ 171
Everybody likes a good story and if there is moral to the story.
I remember the quote “Don’t treat anyone as a useless person in life because a stopped watch gives accurate time twice a day.”
Posting another pair of contra
Chal Akela Chal Akela, Mukesh, Sambandh (1969),lyrics Kavi Pradeep, music O P Nayyar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGev-Qkz1zE
Chale The Saath Milke, Md.Rafi, Haseena Maan Jayegi (1968), lyrics Akhtar Romani, music Kalyanji-Anandji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqrcz5WSQo8
Akji @172,
Glad to note that you have started getting out of your “Uljhan”.
Par aap Doodsron ko liye nayi “uljhan” utpann na Kare.
I appreciate your concern for “Sharabis”. Benevolent Feudalism! But why do you want to deprive them of some redemption by way of paying taxes. Let them also earn some Punnya. Poor souls “Unhe chain se peene dijiye, aur na satayiye”.
Please lend an ear to their prayer.
Manzil apni hai, aatma apni hai
matwale hai hum, nikal lenge, dhoond lenge
aur uljhan ko suljha bhi lenge
Aakhir uljhan hi to hai sulajh jayegi.
BTW, you can donate the sum to the PM’s Care Fund. That will provide more liquidity.
Time for contra;
Teri Duniya Main Dil Lagta Nahin, Mukesh, Bhawre Nain (1950), lyics Kedar Sharma, music Roshan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XWK2Fgggik
Jeena Yahan Marna Yahan, Mukesh, Mera Naam Joker (1970), lyrics Shaily Shailendra, music Shankar-Jaikishan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifUaUqN1sbA
Mumbaikarji, Akji, Hansji, Rahulji,
While on the subject of Shaddi, here are my pair of tuppence !
Shaadi Shaadi, Qisamat Ki Baat Hai, Maalik Ke Haath Hai, Kishore Kumar, Ladki (1953)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tya2ViAqh64
Yaar Tum Shaadi Mat Karna, Kishore Kumar, Parivaar (1956)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUBUSEhlRuI
Kabhi Shaadi Na Karo, Kishore Kumar, Man Pasand (1980)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOKWWR83VpM
Zindagani Ka Maza Shadi Mein Hai, G. M. Durrani, Apradhi (1949)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JENCnf62-8k
One more pair:
‘Ja ri ja ri o kaari badariya’ by Lata, from Azaad (1955), MD – C.Ramchandra, Lyricist – Rajinder Krishan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POg5UcQVFrc
‘Kaare badara tu na ja na ja’ by Lata from Shikast (1953), MD – Shankar-Jaikishan, Lyricist – Shailendra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf0Kjw943F4
Would this pair qualify? In one, the heroine is the moonlight to the hero’s moon but in the other, she is only the dust on the earth:
‘Tu mera chaand, main teri chaandni’ by Suraiyya and Shyam, from Dillagi (1949), MD – Naushad, Lyricist -Shakeel Badayuni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgHhmQUXQLk
‘Tum gagan ke chandrama ho, main dhara ki dhool hun’, by Lata and Manna Dey, from Sati Savitri (1964), MD – Laxmikant-Pyarelal, Lyricist – Bharat Vyas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBbd53FtxWA
A K ji,
Useless, yes. Most useless,no!
On the day the locks of the Madhushalas / Maikhanas opened amidst the ongoing lockdown, I saw many people singing…
Jhoom barabar jhoom sharabi….
Chad gayi chad gayi chad gayi angoor ki beti chad gayi…
A gentleman from N Venkatraman ji’s part of the world ( in B& W) mumbled..
Kaun kambakht hai jo bardasht karne ke liye peeta hai? Main toh peeta hoon ke bas sans le sakoon!
Another similar gentleman, this time in colour, said the same thing. But, with his handsome friend, also energetically sang…
Sheeshe se sheesha takraye..
…
Chalak chalak jaaye re..
One, who seemed to have upped/ downed just a few drops sang..
Thodi si jo pee lee hai
Chori toh nahin kee hai..!
A lady surprised me with her..
Haan ji haan maine sharab pee hai
( that too) Thodi si nahin, behisaab pee hai..
Her friend went farther..
Kaise rahoon chup ke maine pee hi kya hai
Hosh abhi bhi hai baaki
Aur zara si dede saqi …
A busybody when asked about the current affairs, sang..
Abhi toh haath mein jaam hai
Toba kitne kaam hai
Kabhi mile fursat toh dekha jaayega
Duniya ke baare mein phir socha jaayega…
Met this ( till then) Sharif, honhaar, charitravan , punyatma Kumar who, to drown his dukh , learnt to down a few sips..
Maine peena seekh liya
..
Paap kaho ya punya kaho
Maine jeena seekh liya..
And, changing some words from an Inder’s song..
Gam uthane ke liye main toh piye jaoonga..
( Inspite of a lady, perhaps not the one who had broken his heart , insisting..
Gam ki dawa toh pyaar hai
Gam ki dawa sharab nahin)
But, contrastingly, yet to meet someone who sang…
Jab se sarkar ne razamandi tod dee,
Mano ya na mano humne peeni chod di..
All the “gyanis and master” as Mumbaikar8 called them@177, are in great form. They have taken the discussions to a different level. I am ‘bekarar’ for more!
Here is my tuppence worth:
In Mogul-e-azam, Shakeel sahab hails love as ‘Zindabad Zindabad’
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIZv9Y5n4
And he calls it ‘joothi kahani’ here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n930nd6rKEA
Hans @175, 176,
Perfect contra pair. ‘Buddha’ discovery is very novel. ‘Buddha hoga tera baap probably alludes to this contradiction. In aphorisms also we see this opposite truths: Age is only a number, you are as old or young as you feel/ You must gracefully accept your age, you are not going to grow younger.
Mumbaikar8 @177,
Perfect contra songs. Do you remember काँटों को मुरझाने का खौफ नहीं होता?
Venkataramanji @179, 180,
If I have got rid of my uljhans I have to immensely thank you for all the gyan. After reading your advice I transparently told my friends about the transfer of redemption from their account to mine, but they don’t care. And you would not believe, now they say I should not insist on invoices but accept their self-declaration. You are an accounts man, you can guide me whether this is permissible in the present case. It is not a very old transaction, and to my knowledge it is always with a bill.
They started sending me WA messages and videos of the sharabis’ contribution to the national अर्थव्यवस्था in spite of knowing that I have made decent contributions to the PM’s Fund (as well as CM’s Fund).
Nice contra songs.
Ashwin @181,
Perfect contra pair.
@182,
I had initially some doubts, but after reading your explanation I am convinced it fits well.
Dr Shetty @183,
Amazing you are so spirited without the spirit. Nice sharabi songs. They have been objects of ridicule, only now we realise their importance in the national economy. Government would never dissuade them. Some states which mistakenly imposed prohibition are now the most miserable for having deprived themselves of this generous section of selfless donors.
Mr Giri @184,
Nice contra pair of songs in the same film.
AK
As Venkataraman ji liked the story, I am relating another one.
Maybe I have earlier told this story in one of our meetings, but there is no harm in repeating it for our other friends here. In my college days, one summer evening we found an old man lying in the street ‘naali’ in full nasha condition. We picked him up and brought in our house and by common manoeuvres like sprinkling lot of water and making him drink chhaachh brought him to his senses. When we asked him to be careful and drink less in future, he said ‘peene ka fayda hi kya jab tak naali men na giren’. At that time we got enraged and pushed him out of our house. So moral of the story, our economy is in safe hands.
You can derive your own lessons from the story. And dont worry about the ‘punya’ part and always remember Gita’ Karma theory.
We can only say ‘zindagi mujhko dikha de raasta’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GvPEAxRWnQ
But we dont know ‘taqdeer kahan le jayegi’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVHv5HdXMUQ
And we may end up saying ‘nikale the kahan jane ke liye’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QraImBLgIBs
Hans@ 173
I selected that pair of Shadi songs in quest of knowing the truth
शादी आबादी या बर्बादी 🙂
AK, @ 186
“काँटों को मुरझाने का खौफ नहीं होता?”
काँटों को काँटों की characteristics समझा रहें हो
Ashwin’s comment @ 132 inspired me to think ……..
Many songs we may find women deprecating themselves very few examples of their assertion.
Presenting one such sher of assertion that I love and have mentioned before.
Raja Mehndi Ali Khan doing both.
Self-depracation
Aaki nazron ne samjha Anpadh
https://youtu.be/8txT8UGTCto
And now the assertion whenever I listen to it I feel ‘यह हुई न बात’
To make it easy, जी भर के देख लीजिये हमको करीब से
फिर आपके नसीब में यह बात हो न हो
Starts here in song lag ja gale Woh kaun thi.
https://youtu.be/TFr6G5zveS8?t=114
Hans, Venkataramanji,
Bollywood has engaged itself with serious discussions on paap-punya too.
ये पाप है क्या, ये पुण्य है क्या, रीतों पर धर्म की मोहरें हैं
In the same song there is a strong rebuttal of Vedant too:
हम कहते हैं ये जग अपना है, तुम कहते हो झूठा सपना है
हम जनम बिताकर जायेंगे, तुम जनम गँवाकर जाओगे
संसार से भागे फिरते हो..
If there was any doubt, they described someone as पवित्र पापी. Something like Shareef Badmash. or Pyara Dushman. With so much gyan with Bollywood now no one needs to go to any Guru or the caves of Himalayas for enlightenment.
Mumbaikar8 @192,
I have never seen a काँटा so threatening 🙂 .
The examples of self-deprecating women are many as you have rightly observed. This has to do with long conditioning across cultures. Let me give you a good example of an assertive woman:
Main hun gori nagin dekhungi rasiya, kaise aaj nahin baaje teri been re.
This one may also be an assertive woman who is commanding the snake-charmer to play his been:
Sapera been baja, been baja, naachungi
We can relate this to the cultural notion of the woman being an enticer, a snake that has to be subdued, hence the विषकन्या and the sapera who captures her and removes her out of harm’s way. The aforesaid songs may not aim to cleanse that stereotype, but they make a statement by giving agency to the woman.
Raat obviously has been one of the favourite subject of hindi songs both happy & sad.
However whether happy or sad , raat always has been described in positive term like Suhani Raat Dhal chuki, itni Hassen itni jawa raat, rangbirangi. There are very few exceptions & one that immediately comes to mind is
Jin raato ki bhor nahi
Another perennial favourite of poets ( & related to raat) is Chand. We grew up listening story of Rama, Chand & mirror. And in the golden era it is very difficult to find a movie not having a song mentioning chand. In fact Gulzar alluded to the number in Ijajaat when he wrote
Ek sau solah chand ki raate
But Gulzar also used exceptional imagery for raat & chand in the following song – the kind of which not used in any other.
Roj akeli aaye – Mere apne -Gulzar
We know how akeli raat can be tantalising as in Jewel thief.
But here it is bhikharan with chand as begging bowl.
The contrast song for this can be any with bheegi bheegi raat
I choose
Taaro ki juba par hai mohobbat ki kahani
– Nausherwan-e-adil
– Parvez Shamsi
Mr Muli,
I guess there should be as many sad ‘raat’ songs as happy ones. These sound as sad songs:
‘Raaton ko chori chori bole mera kangana’
‘Raat ne kya kya khwab dikhaye’
AK, @ 194
“काँटों को काँटों की characteristics समझा रहें हो”
I had a smiley after this sentence but your Wordpress, seems, picks and discards smileys at your discretion 🙂
“This one may also be an assertive woman who is commanding the snake-charmer to play his been:
Sapera been baja, been baja, naachungi”
I fail to see any assertion in this one, she is saying “ I will dance to your tune” where is assertion here.
Assertion would be you play the been if it enchants me I will dance
Yesterday I thought about Raat songs but got lazy and Mr Muli posted it. “Second times coincidence”
My songs are different though.
Contra Raat songs from same movie.
Same Raat ko 9.00 P M Arnab’s Show
Gulaabi Raat Gulaabi – Upkar (1967)
https://youtu.be/ae-1V3QyJU8
Ravish’s Prime Time
Upkaar Yeh Kaali Raat Kaali Mohd Rafi
https://youtu.be/2d-0OYyemo8?t=27
Mumbaikar8,
You mean ..at ‘its’ discretion? With Smileys I think the punctuation mark should not be adjacent to it, but after a space. Or is it because काँटों के सामने smiley की क्या बिसात है?
You agree that the other sapera song – Main hun gori nagin – is of an assertive woman?
Dr Shetty @ 183
Such a nice flowing story of the Economy Caring Group but without a link you will also remain as PUNYAHEEN as AK in without a drink. Venkataraman ji mostly takes advantage of your Punya.
Mumbaikar8 and AK
I dont know what self deprication or assertion you are talking about. Have you heard this. ‘Chakku maar doongi’ from Jeene Nahin Doonga. https://youtu.be/lNhG3hGRJEg
There are so many songs of this type. Another example. ‘O ladke makhan se’ from Ganga Tera Pani Amrit.
https://youtu.be/TfXRKnkwYzk
Mumbaikar8
Did you find out शादी आबादी या बर्बादी।
May I help you.
‘Meri patni mujhe satati hai’ from Pati Patni.
https://youtu.be/S0olsI5cDkU
‘Kamata hoon bahut kuchh’ from Adhikar.
https://youtu.be/z-F0JIUUH5c
‘Har aadmi ko biwi ka gulam hona chahiye’ from Hirasat.
https://youtu.be/LoZUKmFBakk
‘Mujhe meri biwi se bachaao’ from Aaj Ki Taaja Khabar.
https://youtu.be/tLoguu21pYs
Now look at this Haryanvi song sung by a child
लांबी बहू आगी तो उंचे बूट मंगा ल्युन्गा
छोटे कद की आगी तो मैं गोदी ठा ल्युन्गा
I think you will understand the song because Haryanvi is very close to Hindi. This is a funny song. The last antara says
मैने नहीं देखी मेरे पापा की शादी
पापा कहते हैं शादी होती है बर्बादी
शादी का लड्डू जैसा भी हो मैं खा ल्युन्गा
दुनिया खाके पछ्तायी मैं भी पछता ल्युन्गा
This alludes to the saying शादी का लड्डू ऐसा है जो खाए वो भी पछताए और जो ना खाए वो भी पछताए।
https://youtu.be/Q-BkC8kWFS4
AK @ 198
Thanks for the clarification about the smiley.
Dhh me did not know (notice) it.
“You agree that the other sapera song – Main hun gori nagin – is of an assertive woman?”
Women asserting over her “gorapan” is repulsive.
I find a very subtle assertion in the otherwise very submissive song,
Majhi mere qismat ke jee chahen jahan le chal.
Would like to know opinion.
The subtle assertion starts here.
https://youtu.be/P_nHtNFe6XY?t=217
Hans @ 201
I was expecting this reaction after my comment # 158
Chalo der aye durust aaye
Mumbaikar8,
Manjhi meri qismat ke assertive woman? This is a Pativrata Naari handing over her entire fate to her swami:
तू ही मेरे दिल की मंज़िल तू ही मेरा हमसफर
ज़िंदगी से बढ़के मुझको तेरी एक मीठी नज़र
The entire song is in the same vein.
Am I missing something? Hans has given more convincing assertive woman songs @200.
Hans @200,
Nice songs. I have to understand Mumbaikar’s choices, she seems to be on a different wavelength.
AK
तू ही मेरे दिल की मंज़िल तू ही मेरा हमसफर
ज़िंदगी से बढ़के मुझको तेरी एक मीठी नज़र
The subtlety I noticed begins just after that
तेरी आँखों में रहूंगी तू मेरे दिल में रहें
उम्र भर प्यार की यह नाव ऐसे ही बहे
Hans assertive women is totally different creature
AK,
I tried using smiley as per your directions, for Han’s comment, it didn’t work.
Mumbaikar8 @204,
Too subtle for me.
@205,
Colon followed by closed small bracket “:)” should work. If not, and it has started behaving erratically recently, I have no clue. Perhaps your Operating SystemUpdates have done some changes. Mr Google might help.
Mumbaikar8
I also learned the smiley through trial and error. I think you have to put a full stop at the end of the sentence, then give a space and then colon or semi colon followed by the small closed bracket.
Now look at the two songs from Babar ‘tum ek baar muhabbat ka imtihan to lo’ on Humayun emperor Babar’s son and ‘payam-e-ishq muhabbat humen pasand nahin on the daughter of a courtier of Babar. Which one is assertive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmeq0fqA50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdGPBIhm6E
Now, ‘tadpaoge tadpa lo’ from Barkha seems to be a submissive song, but in fact the character singing is vamp. She is teasing the hero and then plays her usual role of a vamp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQFz0EN3wLM
In Bheegi Raat, Shashikala sings ‘tu mera jo nahin’ and does her part in accordance with the song in the film jeopardising the relationship between Pradeep Kumar and Meena Kumari.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anZG995itZ8
So what you derive from songs. They are just in accordance with the situation. In the song posted by Ashwin there is nothing submissive. This is a simple song in which both characters are showing modesty by praising the other and being simple for the self. It is just that the first line is sung by the female so it becomes submissive song in your eye. But Manna Dey is also using words in the same vein. In Anpadh, Dharmendra is highly educated and Mala Sinha is married to him posing as educated. So when she is found anpadh, they naturally feel cheated and she is subjected to bad treatment. Later Dharmendra realises her goodness through her actions, so he starts loving her. In such a situation the song ‘aapki nazron ne’ is a perfect song. Similarly in Wo Kaun Thi, Manoj has some justifiable misunderstanding about Sadhna and when he wants her to go from his house, she sings the song knowing that he will repent and she may even lose her life. Raja Mehndi Ali was a great lyricist and because of that Madan Mohan used him a lot as also Rajender Krishan. Both of them remained far from the propaganda, but their work speaks for them. We should enjoy the great lyrics instead of getting caught in the quagmire of anti-women/pro-men or vice versa. In fact there are a lot of extremely submissive male songs, but men dont feel bad about them. There are tons of songs where females are praised by men and a horde of songs where females call men anadi, beimaan and other such things just as a routine matter. These are also enjoyed by people.
Now a few songs about mulaqat.
First, ‘janewale se mulaqat na hone payi’ from Amar.
https://youtu.be/ZPJa89BvnX0
Then Suni Dutt gets happy on mulaqat with Meena Kumari. ‘Dil khush hai aaj unse mulaqat ho gayi’ – Gazal
https://youtu.be/lMtWJdH3gsc
But he gets sad on meeting Mala Sinha. ‘Aap aaye to khayale dile nashad aaya’ – Gumrah.
https://youtu.be/Gmlm2Brlmms
On the other hand Dharmendra discovers he has a heart, when he meets Rajshri. ‘Tumhari mulaqat se mujhko pata ye chala’ – Muhabbat Zindagi Hai.
https://youtu.be/YAtfRDGB44w
When we look for songs with the word जोगी in the mukhda, we instantly remember Lata Mangeshkar classicals ‘jogi jabse tu aaya mere dware’ – Bandini and ‘jao re jogi tum jao re’ – Amrapali. But there was a sweet song in the patriotic film Shaheed, ‘jogi hum to lut gaye tere pyar men jane tujhko khabar kab hogi’.
https://youtu.be/efK0O7T6dds
Jogi listens and comes singing a song ‘tera jogi aaya’ – Mera Jeevan.
https://youtu.be/zgw6W2jOGFU
But then she gets shy and wants to shoo him away offering some sona chandi. ‘Sona lai ja re’ – Mera Gaon Mera Desh.
https://youtu.be/D6nrrMyRpOU
But the jogi is hell bent. ‘Na mange ye sona chandi mange darshan devi tere dwar khada ek jogi’ – Nagin.
https://youtu.be/mUQTUliOq_g
Hans, @ 207
Smileys get erratic (which cannot be true ) I can import it with my document to my comment window but at times gets dropped in uploading.
I completely agree with you the songs are written for the characters and the situation. I do not blame lyric writer for writing such lyrics I gave the examples of Raja Mehndi Ali Khan writing brilliantly for both occasions. Very few female characters then (things are changing now) would assert.
Tons of songs praising women are about their beauty, women are much more beyond their beauty or for that matter ugliness.
@ 209
The classic song attempting to stopJogi from going.
Mat Ja Mat Ja Jogi – Jogan
https://youtu.be/UZrur80wYaw
Bairagi may not be significantly different from jogi.
In Ehsaas we have raanjha or ranjhe becoming bairagi after just seeing her.
While in Victoria no 203
Jogi becoming bhogi again just by looking at her ( last line of the last antara)
A) tu na mili to hum – Indeevar- Victoria no 203
https://youtu.be/ca47lBhON7w
B) kitne raanjhe tujhe – Ravindra Peepat – Ehsaas
https://youtu.be/1NyP_fvgyG0
Muli ji
Yes in common language both words have almost the same meaning. But otherwise both are separate castes in India. Jogi is a caste which is included in backward castes in Haryana and some states.
The song ‘jogi mat ja’ mentioned by Mumbaikar8 could be a contra song for ‘tu na mili to hum’ posted by you. There is another song ‘chhod de sari duniya kisi ke liye’ from Saraswatichandra, which starts with alaap ‘kahan chala ae mere jogi jeevan se tun bhaag ke, kisi ek dil ke karan yun sari duniya tyaag ke’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFW6dBHPcTo
The song ‘suno re suno ek baat sunaun’ has Dilip Kumar and Saira Bano singing and dancing and both using the word bairaagi and bairagan. None of them is serious as bairagi or bairagan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJb8SHVj4w
So far as jogan is concerned in Shabaab Nutan first threatened ‘jogan ban jaungi saiyan tore karan’ and later declared ‘jogan ban aayi hun’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqufC51Vh2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1eJJA7WqOk
Though Bharat Bhushan took this seriously, but Jitendra in Jawaab laughed it off and sang ‘kis karan jogan jog liya’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GVm1thWk-U
AK,
How about this.
Can this termed as contra truth?
Mushkurahut me gham aur khoosin ke aansoo?
Tum Itna Jo Muskura Rahe Ho | Jagjit Singh Arth
https://youtu.be/C8eAKT-zQXk
YEH AANSOO KHUSHI KE AANSOO HAI -TALAT- FILM- EK NAZAR
https://youtu.be/_bge23IiFRk
Mumbaikar8,
तुम इतना जो मुस्कुरा रहे हो
क्या ग़म है जिसको छिपा रहे हो
Kaifi Azmi is superb. Perfect auto-contra song. Anand Bakshi said something similar in a pedestrian way:
हज़ारों तरह के ये होते हैं आँसू
अगर दिल में ग़म हो तो रोते हैं आँसू
इन्हें जान सकता नहीं ये ज़माना
मैं खुश हूँ मेरे आँसुओं पे न जाना
मैं तो दीवाना दीवाना दीवाना
Nice addition to the theme – another dimension of contra songs which stand without a pair.
AK,
Kaifi Azmi is indeed superb in this song.
I like this antara the best.
रेखाओं का खेल है मुक़द्दर
रेखाओं से मात खा रही हो
I am glad that the theme is still unfolding with superlative additions by Hans ji , Mumbaikar 8 and obviously AKji
AKji can this be considered as an auto contrast song
kashti ka khamosh safar
The hero starts with a firm resolve of saying what he wants to say but ends with the conclusion chhodo ab kya kahana hai
In between also there are several flip flops , if not outright contrasts ; like when he says
kahate huye darsa lagata hai
Kahkar baat na kho baithu
And at the end
Aaj nahi to kal hi kahenge
Ab to sath hi rahana hai
So all in the span of 2 antaras the doubt evaporates, what a journey ?
Further there is marked contrast between his feelings & those of his love .
While he is skeptical about whether they will remain humsafar
& She is eagarly waiting to welcome him with
Kabse tumhare raste me phool bichaye baithi hoon
https://youtu.be/PzaqgXpGjrs
Kashti ka khamosh safar – Girl friend – Sahir
Mr Muli,
I didn’t realise your theme had so many possibilities. You have made some very perceptive analysis of Kashti ka khamosh safar ho. The hero’s change from resolve to doubt to denial is interesting. This may perhaps go as auto-contrast. But I am not convinced that the two lovers show contrasting feelings for each other. The man’s wavering in between is also born out of love – “I should not carelessly say something which hurts the relationship.” His final decision not to say anything is because now there is no hurry, “Ab to saath hi rahna hai.”
Mumbaikar8’s example was more obvious.
Mumbaikar8, AK
On these aansoo/khushi contrast songs a few songs came to mind.
Hamrahi – 1963 had two songs one each sung by hero and heroine.
ये आंसू मेरे दिल की जुबान हैं
मैं रौऊं तो रोदें आंसू मैं हंस दूं हंस दें आंसू
https://youtu.be/VaiNjBR57qI
मन रे तू ही बता क्या गाऊं
कह दूं अपने दिल के दुखड़े या आंसू पी जाऊँ
https://youtu.be/xKJefA9bfWs
There is another very touching song by Lata Mangeshkar and lipsynced by Mumtaz when Pran playing her father asks her to sing a song when he was about to die. The film Jheel Ke Us Paar was based on a Gulshan Nanda novel and was one of the rare films of Dharmendra in those days which did not do well. The song is ‘babul tere bagan di main bulbul, tujhe kaun sa geet sunaun, main roun ya muskaun’.
https://youtu.be/kfks5yHr_qU
Mukesh has always a mastery over such songs one of which was mentioned by AK. There is a song in Dharti Kahe Pukar Ke ‘khushi ki wo raat aa gayi koi geet jagne do’. This song has these lines
आज हंसू मैं इतना के मेरी आंख लगे रोने
आज मैं गाऊं इतना के दिल में दर्द लगे होने
https://youtu.be/JcFjTFLJEj4
AK, Hans,
Sawal We ask a question to get an answer.
But a Sawali to the almighty or an authority is a pleader.
How does that make sense?
Examlpe of Sawal Jawab
Ek sawal mai karoon Sasural
https://youtu.be/Nq6dc-NwqjA
(Sawali) Suraiya_Ayi hun mai raja tere dwar_Lal Kunwarth
https://youtu.be/VDvRBOTIvLQ
Continuing with contra songs
हौंसला and हिम्मत contra बेबसी and बेक़सी
हौंसला film Dor Ye Honsla Kaise Jhuke
https://youtu.be/d8me1GXijJA
हिम्मत Himmat Badi Hae.. Jal pari
https://youtu.be/cccLarBrpFw
बेबसी ALIF LAILA – KHADA HOON DER SE UMEEDVAR DEKH TO LE
https://youtu.be/qt8AjCHo1t0
बेक़सी beqasi had-se jab guzar jaye..Asha Bhosle
https://youtu.be/LUjnQ08qljo
And contradicting it third view.
Be basi jurm hai hosla jurm hai Jagjit Singh
https://youtu.be/IlNecAcCBvY
Mumbaikar8
Really good topics. The subtle difference between ‘haunsla’ and ‘himmat’ and ‘bekas’ and ‘bebas’ and the alternate words used in our songs kept coming in mind.
There are a number of question answer songs. ‘Hum aapki ankhon men’ was also an example of sawaal ka jawab sawal se. Suraiya asked a question in ‘wo paas rahen ya door rahen’. But here she asks a question and her soul or inner self answers it. A unique thing.
‘Iska kya matlab hai’ – Suraiyya in Sanam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNaRvyUzOM
Sawali means fariyadi or one who prays. If it is a bekas then the song becomes ‘bekas pe karam kijiye sarkar-e-madina’. And if Rishi Kapoor goes to Shirdi wale sai baba then the film is Amar Akbar Anthony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPKNPvtw4-I
In bekas, bebas, majboor situations there have been a lot of songs of various hues both positive and negative. But I like the song ‘zindagi zulm sahi zabar sahi’ from Shagoon. This song talks about everything, current situation, past happiness and future hope. In other words a complete dose of practical philosophy. And what a choice of words. Must listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd0d52WW2mQ
Hans ji,
I am in a slow mode but enjoying comments and observations of inputs from your side ….and all the readers ..like mumbaikar, muli ji ….and many others. All seems to be in pro active mode….and why not , this blog seems to be most sought after…thanks to AK ji.
Yes many singular songs are contra too. First sasural song then dhool ka phool song ….but this OPN song from …ek musafir ek hasina beats them all…..tumehen mohabbat hai hum se batoa is ka sabut kya hai..
Here is link to song @ 222
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGzDO8rh8ks
OPN this movie was a great come back for him . Its a unique production. Producer just went on listening to already composed with romantic lyrics ….selected the songs and made a story out of it and start shooting….as per mathematical AP progression…and was a musical hit of that time.
Mumbaikarji, Hansji, & Bhatiaji,
I can understand Hindi and even mange to comprehend to an extent the discussion and the variations in contra songs presented by you. But I am still far away from getting engaged in the discussion. Enjoying the discussion and songs from the side lines.
Venkataraman ji
We know you are a multi-lingual expert and we also know that you at times are very busy. Bhatia ji also seems to be having bad back or computer trouble. So who ever can keep the ball rolling should do that. I was also awfully busy in the last few months. Thanks for the care you take of SOY and its members. Your posts are always a storehouse of information.
Bhatia ji
Surprised to see you joining after 200 posts. Most of the times you come in very early. From some hints I thought your computer was giving trouble. But, from your post in the twins article it appears you are having back trouble again. Hoping my guess is wrong and you are fully fit.
Ek Musafir Ek Hasina is my favourite movie. Its music is supreme and I just adore Sadhana and there is something attractive in Joy Mukherjee. The film came in 1962. the year in which two Bengalis hit starhood the other being Biswajit. Both have some great songs from Rafi.
And now here are some songs of different colours on the word Mehfil to celebrate your joining the Mehfil.
Dil ki mehfil saji hai chale aaiye from Saaz aur Awaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqJ15C2B0o
But the shama is sad and says ‘mehfil men jal uthi shama’ – Nirala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa_STkt5RcI
Shama’s response puts the parwana off and he also looks forlorn. ‘Hum aapki mehfil men bhoole se chale aaye’ – Jab se tumhen dekha hai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOhVLzj1fVk
But, this parwana does not care even when he is laughed at. ‘Jahan jayenge deewane wahin mehfil bana lenge’ – Isi Ka Naam Duniya Hai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpOCeOGJxiA
Hans,
In my very first comment on this post, I had said that, this post has potential to go a very long way, but AK with his OCD of posting two tothree post a month has strangled it.
I am so thankful to you for helping me in keeping it alive.
I hope our stalwarts, Bhatiaji, Venkataramanji and Pradeepji की थोड़ी तवज्जो मिल जाये
It can start breathing again.
Thanks for taking fariyad and bebasi further.
Bhool ne wale was discussed earlier but I remembered a song that is such a contrast of a song posted by Venkataramanji @ 137 bhool ne wale yaad na aa.
https://youtu.be/VAhOAuPRTQc
This is Sahir’s response to bhoolne wale
Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to haq hai tumko.
Meri baat aur hai maine to mohabaat ki hai.
https://youtu.be/42EMUa7KC4k
I saw comments @ 222 through 226 after I had written my comment. Seems दुआ रंग ला रहीं है
Mumbaikar ji ,
I entirely agree with you. Some of the posts are short lived and some….yeh dil mange more. Such posts are very interesting.
Hans ji,
This time it was not computer….there were multiple health issues. Thank god i landed in hospital at right time. Stayed in medanta hospital for 12 days and now i was back to my house on 24th May to celebrate my birthday on 25th May. To say i have taken my step into platinum year . Slowly recovering now with baby steps. The main cocern was heart for which i had to go angiography, endoscopy and colonoscopy. The water retention swelling in feets and legs were the issues and it had to be stopped.
Iam not going into details further and will write short paras only to return back to rest.
I am really enjoing rendum picks of comments. Very informative rich in content. Venkatraman, yourself and mumbaikar…and dr. Shetty, joseph ji….all made it most rich following.
Yes ek musafir ek hasina dance numbers were great with sadhna doing best of steps that pleased us all.
Hansji @ Mumbaikar ji @
You are proving to be Laxman – Dravid pair.
I can’t resist adding few mehfil songs of different hues
1 Raat ki Mehfil suni suni – Noorjahan – Shakeel- Roshan
Yet another delicately melodious creation of Roshan
https://youtu.be/zU7SA7sYSy0
2 Sajati hai yuhi mehfil – Kudarat- Majrooh- RDB
https://youtu.be/vKgMNGUe9ik
3 Mehfil me meri kaun ye – Albela- Rajinder Krishan – C Ramchandra
https://youtu.be/gZPP6Kg7-Fk
In the first song Meenakumari is “bebas ” and Shakeel uses all that goes with bebasi like puranam aankhe, nakaam dil, tuta jam, tuta jam & obviously suni mehfil.
While there is saaj-e- tamanna, jashn-e-mohobbat muradoki sham & -Sajati mehfil in the second.
In the third song the heroine is anything but bebas , laced with khanjar she asks diwane tujhko maut ka bhi dar nahi
Also it is interesting to note that Meena Kumari & Geeta bali are normally associated with contrasting images.
Rahul Muli ji,
Liked your analysis and comments. After bebasi ….i was thinking of bekasi . The only song that is coming in my mind is ….bekasi haad se jab guzar jaaye..
.OPN ‘s classical touch . On mobile i am unable to post link. Do we have anyother song on bekasi?
Hansjii @225,
Thank You for your nice words. It is the culture of solidarity in us that keeps SoY going.
Mumbaikar @227,
It almost a month now and this post is going strong and in fact it is the third highest grosser of this year till now. The next two posts have attracted not even 25% of the comments posted in “Songs and Contra Songs”. The post is very much alive and kicking. The late entry of Bhatiaji might have impacted the number to an extent. I won’t be surprised if AKji suggest CBT for you.
Bhool ne wale yaad na aa and Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to haq hai tumko, nice contra songs.
Bhatiaji @ 231,
Posting the link tot he song Bekasi haad se jab guzar jaaye..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjnQ08qljo
Bhatiaji,
Mumbaikarji had posted the song @220.
Here is another song on Beqasi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrsv-ABHxQ4
Bhatiyaji @ 231
Thanks for appreciation
Venkatramanji has posted master piece of a song on bequasi
Here is another though not strictly bequasi it uses a variation bequas
Bequas pe karam kijiye
– Mughal – e- Azam
Shakeel – Naushad
Venkatraman ji, dr. Shetty ji, Muli ji,
Thanks for reminding beautiful….bekasi…songs. How could i miss these ?
There is one by kishore….kabhi bekasi ne mara….from colour era film…alag alag. I usually prefer to remain in domain of black and white era. The real gems lies in dark.
Rahulji @ 235,
Thank you for mentioning Beqas pe Karam Keejiye.
Hansi said @ 221
“Sawali means fariyadi or one who prays. If it is a bekas then the song becomes ‘bekas pe karam kijiye sarkar-e-madina’.”
In “Anarkali” (1953), Hasrat Jaipuri uses ‘Bebas” in the song for a similar situation, whereas Saqeel Badyuni use “Beqas”. Is there a subtle difference between Fariyadi and Shikhwa? Needs confirmation from experts.
Presenting both the songs,
Ai mere mushkilakushaa, fariyaad hai, fariyaad hai
Aapake hote hue duniya meri barabaad hai
Bekas pe karam keejiye, sarkaar-e-madeena
Bekas pe karam keejiye
Mughal-e-Azam, Lata Mangeshkar, Saqeel Badayuni, Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaeiwBG_DbE
Zindagi bebas hu_i hai beqasi ka sath hai
ek ham hai is qafas me ya khuda ki zat hai
O asaman wale shikawa hai zindagi ka
sun dastan gam ki afasana bebasi ka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN1958imdwU&feature=emb_title
Hansji @221,
You wrote,
‘The subtle difference between ‘haunsla’ and ‘himmat’ and ‘bekas’ and ‘bebas’ and the alternate words used in our songs kept coming in mind.’
I understand Bebasi and Beqasi are similar but not the same.
Bebasi can be interpreted as compulsion (Majboori), and Beqasi is without friends or resources hence loneliness/ helplessness.
Posting a song,
Kabhi Beqasi Ne Maara, Aur Kabhi Bebasi Ne Maara,
Gila Maut Se Nahin Hai, Mujhe Zindagi Ne Maara”
Film Alag Alag (1985), lyrics ANand Bakshi, music R D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZABOl2ZMw
Ujaalon Se Veshat Mujhe Ho Gayi Hai
What is the meaning of Veshat?
Venkataramanji,
Let me try to come in your discussion about some words. Bebas/bekas – Bebas is a very common usage for helplessness. When the helplessness aggravates to extreme sorrow, the poets are more likely to use bekasi. This situation would make the supplicant to completely surrender before the Almighty. The fariyadi becomes raham talab – Bekas pe karam kijiye, “I have not come with a petition, I just seek Your mercy (raham-o-karam)”. Sawaali/Fariyadi comes with a sense of grievance and accuses the Almighty for his unfair treatment meted out to the person – Kya mil gaya Bhagwan tujhe dil ko dukha ke?
Vahshat – I checked up an Urdu-Hindi dictionary. It gives two very distinct meanings. One is a derivative of vahshi, meaning frenzied, ‘दीवानगी’. Probably Ghalib meant it in this sense: Ishq mujhko nahin vahashat hi sahi. The other meaning of vahshat is ‘fear’, ‘nervousness’. This seems to be the meaning in Ujaalon se vahshat mujhe ho gayi hai.
Mumbaikar8 @227, Venkataramanji @232,
Mumbaikar 8, I noticed your OCD about me – again!. But I dare not accept Venkataramanji’s suggestion of CBT. I have accepted your serious charges of even culpable homicide and submitted myself as a bebas fariyadi before the Almighty Accuser-Prosecutor-Judge for any verdict. I have never been a sawaali before you. You as a reader can eat your cake and have it too – ‘चित भी मेरी पट भी मेरी’. I as a blogger have to be careful – Kuchh kahane pe toofan utha leti hai duniya/Apni ti ye aadat hai ki hum kuchh nahin kahate. I have to stop here, because Kuchh bolega to bologe ki bolta hai
AKji,
SoY is also good learning platform for me. Expressing my understanding on unknown or lesser known subjects or languages furthers my learning. Initially I was trying to understand from the sidelines. Encouragement from Hansji made me shed my inhibition and jump into the pool. One cannot learn swimming from the banks. One has to take plunge knowing that there are people around to extend a helping hand.
Thank you Akji for the clarifications.
Then can I conclude that the song “O asaman wale shikawa hai zindagi ka as ” Sawaali/ Faryadi and not Raham-o-karam?
Venkataramanji,
You are welcome. We are all learning from everyone.
O aasmanwaale shikwa hai zindagi ka is a unique song. It starts with a recital prelude in which both बेबस and बेकस are used:
ज़िन्दगी बेबस हुई है बेकसी का साथ है
एक हम हैं इस ख़फस में या ख़ुदा की ज़ात है .
( Here I am in this captivity, or is this the character of God?)
This complaint tinged with sadness continues throughout the song:
Tu dekhata rahe aur duniya humein saza de
Kya zurm hai mohabbat itana zara bata de
Manzil pe kyun luta hai har kaarwan khushi ka?
This is a sawali asking some tough questions of God though the tone is plaintive. Such remonstrations may range from this to admonishment to shaming to scolding. Amitabh Bachchan in “Tum aaj khush to bahut hoge” goes through the entire gamut, but in reverse order – scolding to shaming Him to surrendering to His रहमो करम.
Not as an authority but just my personal thinking on these two words from the context ,
‘ bebas ‘ and ‘ beqas ‘ …
‘ bebas ‘ can be split into two words ‘ be ‘ and ‘bas ‘ . So ‘ bebas ‘ here certainly means ‘ helpless ‘ .
One song from ‘ SONE KI CHIDIYA ‘ (1958), I am reminded of… where the word ‘ bas ‘ has been used and means ‘ control ‘ …
https://youtu.be/dYchgFUtmgo
In like manner ‘ beqas ‘ perhaps could be split into two words ‘ be ‘ and ‘ qas ‘ where ‘ qas ‘ may perhaps be related to ‘ qasoor ‘ ( fault ) and so whether ‘ beqas ‘ stands for ‘ beqasoor ‘
( faultless )
Hans is absent. His महफ़िल is सजीं हुई .
Venkataramanji
“The next two posts have attracted not even 25% of the comments posted in “Songs and Contra Songs”. The post is very much alive and kicking. The late entry of Bhatiaji might have impacted the number to an extent.”
One cannot compare apple and oranges. Bhatiaji at @228 agrees.
This post was on ventilator named ( Mumbaikar8, Hans) 30th May onwards. Recuperating Bhatiaji came and pulled it out.
As I mentioned in my comment, I saw it just when I was posting it and took the decision to go ahead with it.
Seeing the Mehfil I am glad I did.
“ I won’t be surprised if AKji suggest CBT for you. “
Seems the suggestion is coming from you 🙂
AK @ 240
I agree that OCD was a stretch, I could have gone with OCA that would have been more appropriate.
Honestly , don’t you get anxious if you cannot make two to three posts in a month?
I even agree that you as a blogger have to be more careful, but I do not agree with your ‘चित भी मेरी पट भी मेरी”
चित मेरी if I call for चित and पट मेरी if I call for पट its not like last time I called for चित so this time also I have to settle with चित.
Venkataramanji, S Joseph,
In my very first post on bequs I made a mistake it is bekas . I looked for it on Rekhta, it explains किस as who, and कस is the individual.
so bekas is helplessness and) (or) of loneliness.
And now back to to contrasting songs.
On Mulakat
It ne door ay huzoor prhir kaise mulakat ho
https://youtu.be/rdRditLxovM
And Aaj ki mulakat bas itni
https://youtu.be/oYCxua2S0HY?list=TLPQMDUwNjIwMjAv_P-aXbrEnQ
Mumbaikar ji Continuing with mehfil songs.
The first pair is not of contrast songs but I find an intersting relationship between them
In 1972 Rajesh Khanna gave an invitation through
Ye Mera dil bhi ek mehfil hai
Tum bhi kabhi aao na
– Mere Jeevan Saathi- Majrooh- RDB
https://youtu.be/qyUW_M59koU
Which , going back full 12 years , had been already accepted by not one by two ladies – Madhubala & Nigar Sultana
Teri mehfil me kismat aajma kar hum bhi dekhege – Mughal-E-Azam- Shakeel- Naushad
https://youtu.be/Il1V0UGq4RY
Now a contrast of 3 mehfils
First one though in villain’s den is gulabi gulabi
Helen enticing Madan Puri & for once Ajit is at the receiving end .
Ye rangeen mehfil – Shikari- Farooq Kaiser- GS Nepali
https://youtu.be/E10VEyv23mk
Second one is inextricably associated with Radio Ceylon
Ye mehfil sitaroon ki – Arab ka Saudagar – Ravi- Hemantkumar
https://youtu.be/UzU36SK_–g
And Hansji you will be pleased with this as it is penned by Ravi.
It also features a relatively less common pair of Hemant kumar & Asha Bhosle .
As a contrast to these two I choose a landmark marathi song from Jabbar Patel’s Umbaratha (threshold)
Which talks about lonely mehfil
Sunya sunya maifilit majhya tujhech mi geet gaat ahe
– Umbartha – Suresh bhat – Hridaynath Mangeshkar
https://youtu.be/-VkzoYNp3GI
A rather amature attempt to translate it in hindi
Is suni suni mehfil me
Hum tere hi geet gaate hai
lagta hai is nakaam Dil ko
Abhi bhi wohi chaand raate hai
AK ji,
….tu dekhta rahe aur duniya hamen saja de…. sad song that is pleasure to listen. I rate this as best song among the rest of this film. One can not part away with realities of life. One has to struggle in this life….to make the two end meets…..or compress yourself to button your shirt.
AK ji i am on slow mode and will write small paras only. I am enjoying rich comments by pro active club of four.
Venkatraman ji, Hans ji, Mumbaikar8 ji, Muli ji, joseph ji ,
I am richened by rich observations and comments. To futher move here is a couple of mehfil sons
Deewana parwana….from Albela.
Mehfil mein jal uthi shama…..from Nirala
Mumbaikar8 @227, 244 & AK 240
I had in my comment 85 agreed with your view in this regard.
In this OCD episode, I would have looked for some soothing balm for AK if I had not known he can defend himself. His response was as expected and Mumbaikar8 gave a good repartee for the ‘chit-pat’. But I was surprised to find Venkataramanji playing a doctor. 🙂 AK has to meet some pre-set schedules and posting of new topic does not stop us to continue with the old topic. But still I agree with Mumbaikar8 that the new topic always diverts attention of most of the readers and as an active reader she and all others have the right to have their say. From AK’s side I would explain OCD as Organised Calender Discipline.
Regarding bhoolna songs, there are so many of them. I had given two in comment 171. In the song ‘mujhe bhool jana agar ho sake’ posted there, there was a condition .agar ho sake’. But, Suraiyya says clearly ‘tum mujhko bhool jao ab hum na mil sakenge’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpVAEqCnzY8
Hero responds ‘teri yaad dil se bhulane chala hoon’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtqJbZIBIVw
But the heroine has second thoughts. ‘Wo dil kahan se laun teri yaad jo bhula de’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc36_4LGdWI
These two songs are about rememberance of departed soul. Both are composed by Madan Mohan within a time frame of one year. In the first song from film Rishte Naate, Raj Kumar goes and looks at the photo of his dead wife Sandhya on her first death anniversary. In his imagination she starts singing the song. Nutan, who was married to him for the sake of the girl child looks on. The song is ‘mujhe yaad karne wale’.
https://youtu.be/1nFmZVgZXd8
The second song is ‘aapke pehloo men aakar ro diye’ from Mera Saya, where Sunil Dutt goes to Sadhana’s photo and sings the song.
https://youtu.be/SDcAVpfg13A
Bhatiaji,
Glad to see coming back to almost normalcy.
Uploading your songs
1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_xUooIAgWk
2nd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa_STkt5RcI
Hans @ 248
You have hit the nail on the head with “Organised Calender Discipline”.
The discipline inculcated through generations have made us all obsessive in some way or the other.
Hans @ 248, 249.
Combining bhoolna and yaad aane of departed souls
Rajender Kumar remembering
Jo chal gaya use bhool ja Saathi
https://youtu.be/WG6TRahCahw
Rajender Kumar being remembered.
Jane wale kabhi nahin aate jaane wale ki yaad aati hai. Dil ek Mandir
https://youtu.be/yQxI0DW9JJ4
AK, Bhatiaji, Hans, Venkataramanji, Mr. Rahul,
Moving on, with sheeshe aur paththar
Sheesha E Dil Itna Na Uchhaalo Dil apna aur preet parayi
https://youtu.be/q2RqDBMNy6Q
Sheeshe Ka Ho Ya Patthar Ka Dil Baat ek raat ki
https://youtu.be/ugODzUFLiWI
Here Sahir incites Patthar ki murat to respond
Kisi Patthar Ki Moorat Se | Hamraaz (1967)
https://youtu.be/mptpLw-ESv0
Jagjit Singh has his own logic
Sar Jhukaoge To Patthar Devta Ho Jaayega
https://youtu.be/sj8K2v1LsU0
Mumbaikar ji
I will come to Sheesha & Patthar later on since I had this almost ready before you hit the wall.
Koocha is a sparingly used word in hindi film songs, its more fortunate sibling gali has far better representation. It maybe because of the phonetic effect ( another example that comes to mind readily is qwatra qwatra made famous by both Ijazaat & dil se).
So finding contrast songs involving koocha would be quite a task.
Let me find whether
AKji approves the following as a proper pair of contrast songs
1 The first one is sad song from Roshan’s melodious repertoire and filmed on one of the intense actress,Suchitra Sen .
Rahate the kabhi – Mamta – Majrooh
The song also has number of internal contrasts like jinke dil me jaanse bhi pyaro ki tarah &
Baithe hai unhi ke kucheme hum aaj gunahgaro ki tarah
Or asko ke chhetein & Barase bhi to angaaron ki tarah
And daawa tha jinhe hamdardi ka
Mehfil mein bulaya hai hamko hasne ko sitamgaro ki tarah
Second one is an expression of a legendary lover on realising that he has lost his dil
Tere kuchemein tera diwana aaj dil kho baitha
Heer Ranjha – Kaifi Aazmi – Madan Mohan
This was overshadowed by more popular ye duniya & milo na tum to but is still capable of holding on to its own .
Apart from the word koocha both the songs use the word gunahgaar in contasting context .
In rahate the kabhi it is used to depict her fall from grace, as if she is a banished convict standing in a corner of koocha.
But in tere kooche mein he is alluding to equal partnership in the ” crime” of falling in love.
The only other song using the word koocha that I can recall is the heavenly gazal from Teen Deviyan
Kahi Bekhayal hokar
( Kabhi is pari ka koocha kabhi us hasi ki mehfil)
The links for all 3 songs
1 Rahate the kabhi https://youtu.be/x2plQQ80x3k
2 Tere kooche me tera
https://youtu.be/Q36w-AsXDRs
3 kahi bekhayal hokar
https://youtu.be/w4xi3KVpIjI
Rahulji,
You beat me twice . I had mentioned both the times.
Will wait for you Sheesha patththar series.
Regarding Koocha you forgot the other heavenly ghazal.
I had used in Ravish Arnab contrast.
Jinhen Naaz Hai Hind Par – Guru Dutt, Mohammed Rafi, Pyaasa
https://youtu.be/3ta4BmumQKc
Rahul Muli ji, Mumbaikar8 ji,
Great going with kuccha and sheesha pathar songs.
I rember one more song with kuuccha…
Yehi armaan leke aaj tere kuchhe se hum nikle….a master soul full rendition by Rafi sahib and melody par excellence by Naushad sahib.
Rahul ji, Mumbai kar ji, Bhatia ji
One more classic”koocha” song from Dastak.. Hum hai mata-e-koocha
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrdp3LdoiGA
Mumbaikar ji
Yahan patthar bhi geet gate hai aur sheshe se bhi dil tootata hai
1 geet gaya Pattharone – title song- Hasarat – Ramlal
https://youtu.be/Zxc2P5j7SVk
2 Jalte hai jiske liye –
Sujata – Majrooh- SDB
https://youtu.be/jsaKIKHmz3M
PS Forgive me for ignoring jinhe naaz hai & your post thereon.
Mumbaikarji @ 244
One cannot compare apple and oranges.”
Absolutely right. And I was not comparing apples to oranges. I should have elaborated. My question is that did the two posts that followed seriously affect the post on “Songs and contra-songs”. I am sure the two following posts did not press its knees on the neck of the said post, it was more of a knee jerk reaction. Yet, I would try to do a fair analysis and address this issue in the anniversary post.
I also agree with Bhatiaji’s comment, “Some of the posts are short lived and some….yeh dil mange more. Such posts are very interesting.”
But that cannot be taken as an endorsement of your comments on constriction.
“This post was on ventilator named ( Mumbaikar8, Hans) 30th May onwards. Recuperating Bhatiaji came and pulled it out.
As I mentioned in my comment, I saw it just when I was posting it and took the decision to go ahead with it.
Seeing the Mehfil I am glad I did.”
I cannot deny you contribution SoY through your comments. They are not just the run-of the mill types and add a lot of value. I fully appreciate you initiative and efforts along with Hansji in boosting this post to second position. Bu this post was never in need of a ventilator since it was progressively healthy mare in SoY’s stable racing away to the top. Yes Bhatiaji’s absence was felt. His contribution would have made a difference.
‘ “I won’t be surprised if AKji suggest CBT for you. “ Seems the suggestion is coming from you’
Yes, I said I won’t be surprised. It seems Akji in the back of his mind was not averse to the idea but he declared “I dare not accept the suggestion”. And I understand he had his reasonstoo.
BTW, Will you tell me how to put a “simile” in one’s comment(s).
Thank for the clarification on bekas. And the nice contrasting songs on “Mulakat”
Hansji @ 249
There were 2 songs in Sanjog on bhoolna
1 Wo bhuli dastan lo phir yaad aa gai
&
2 Bhuli hui yaado
Both penned by Rajinder Krishan
Both regarding pain suffered by respective characters so excruciating that in the first only dil- e -barbaad hona baki hai & in the second there is a request filled with anguish “mere paas na aao”
3 And in Anand Yogesh has a contrasting yaad
Chhoti chhoti baato ki hai yaade badi
Bhule nahi beeti hui ek chhoti ghadi.
This pair may qualify on ‘ BEWAFA ‘
( Hope not a repeat )
a ) ‘ Wafa jinse ki …’ / PYAR KA SAGAR / 1961 / Ravi / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/fP6sUC2U6MI
&
b)’ Agar bewafa tujhko…’ / RAAT KE ANDHERE MEIN / 1969 / Prem Dhawan / Rafi
https://youtu.be/kOd75w27RMI
There was an observation that the two subsequent posts after this have not even got 25% comments when compared to this post . My view is that this post on contra songs has infinite scope . Almost every song should be having a contra somewhere as there are around say 30, 000 songs in the 1940 – 1970 period alone . Further , the same song can pair as contra again for some other point . But the contra songs cannot be located easily as I am sure no one can be familiar with all these estimated 30,000 songs and locating the contra songs in this ocean requires considerable time and efforts. Luckily , at SOY all posts are always open forever for comments. But as pointed out , the attention is always diverted to the latest post .
Perhaps this pair may contrast under ‘ Roothna ‘
a ) ‘ Tum roothi raho… ‘/ AAS KA PANCHHI / SJ / 1960 / Mukesh , Lata
https://youtu.be/Xbnj55AUtXE
b ) ‘ Yun rootho na … ‘/ NEEND HAMARE KHWAB TUMHARE / 1966 / MM / Rafi
https://youtu.be/AmBFWMayCWk
Mr Muli, Mumbaikar8, Giriji, KS Bhatiaji, Hans Jakhar, Venkataramanji, Mr Joseph, Dr Shetty,
You have been firing on all cylinders. Good to see KS Bhatiaji back in form – congratulations and best wishes. I have lost count of dissections of words and themes, all very fascinating and perceptive. Some of the most interesting:
Bekas/bebas/Sawal/Fariyad
Aansoo/Khushi
Shaadi/Barbaadi
Mulaqat
Mehfil
Jogi
Hausla/Himmat
God songs
Vahashat
Koocha/Gali
Yaad aana/Bhulana
Shessha/Pathar
The list is endless and our talented readers can search innumerable jewels. This post was born during Lockdown. An important activity I did, or was made to do, courtesy DD was binge-watching mythological serials. Parallel to the great churning on the SoY I was watching Samudra-manthan. In the Samudra-manthan there were complications of Dev-Daanav rivalry, and along with the amrit, venom also came out. But the SoY-manthan is delivering unalloyed jewels.
Venkataramanji @178,
You mentioned some utility of a useless person because a stopped watch gives accurate time twice a day. Someone also mentioned another utility: “No man is completely useless; he can always serve as a bad example.”
Sheesha/Pathar: Shesha is brittle – “Jinke ghar sheeshe ke bane hote hain wo doosron par patthar nahin phenkte“, and in our films dil is very prone to breaking. Therefore, the comparison becomes very apt – sheesha-e-dil. But is there any scope for contrast in this? Perhaps toughened, unbreakable glass was not discovered then.
Koocha: The first song that came to my mind is: ‘Tere kooche mein armaanon ki duniya le ke aya hun‘. There is optimism, but sung in a plaintive style. Naushad magic, he must have composed it looking at the entire theme of the film.
Mr Joseph @243,
It is now established that the word is not ‘beqas’, but ‘bekas’. Therefore, your etymology with ‘qasoor’ does not work. But it is now even better. कसकर or कसना implies ‘tightly’ or ‘strength’/’strongly’. Therefore, बेकस should mean ‘sapped of strength’, ‘limp’, ‘lifeless’. That takes us to, ‘Bekas pe karam kijiye sarkar-e-Madina
@258, 259,
Very nice contrast in wafa/bewafa; roothana/manana
Mr Muli @245,
Your translation of the Marathi song from Umbratha is very poetic. Good to have another poet on the SoY. Perhaps you need to add a word in the last line to make it clear.
@255,
In Jalte hain jiske liye his geet was even more delicate than glass:
Geet naazuk hai mera shheshe se bhi toote na kahin
Gungunaaungaa wohi geet main tere liye
Would I be right in suggesting that dil breaks not by sheesha, but ‘like’ sheesha?
Dear all,
There has been some general discussion about the number of comments in a post, and new posts affecting activity on old posts where the theme has great potential. I should make some observations. I don’t focus too much on the number of comments, nor do I do anything special to garner comments. The blog is lucky that it attracts so many intense and involved readers. Mr Joseph has rightly observed that this theme has infinite possibilities, and it is proven that the appearance of a new post does not come in the way of life of an old post. So keep on going full-steam, but do look at the later posts too.
AK ji and all others ;
Thanks to all of you for uplift and encouraging me to come to the terms and platform where I was .
I am on a trail to retrieve memories to repair……. moods and memories of myself. I am on sad, happy , or neutral mood induction…..and rating their effective responses to the memories. Consistent with mood-congruent triangle of course happiness is riding the apex . Some details in life may look insignificant …as mood suggest…. but later appears magnificent. So I am keeping myself with go ahead attitude.
Turning back to the theme which has further been expanded now….and as Joseph ji observed ….this theme is in infinite zone. A few of songs that are coming into my both sides of my mind….
Tum chand ke saath chale aao ……..Aashiana…MM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwcWuLdiH3s
ja ja re chanda ja re..Lata_Prem Dhawan_D Dilip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hZw8VjWyKI
…to be contd.
In continuation some more songs on …Bekasi…..
Yaad Aayi Hai Bekasi Chhayi Hai | Lata Mangeshkar @ Nagina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQlpdilC1CM
Ek Main Hoon Ek Meri Bekasi Ki Shaam Hai …..Talat…Tarana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrsv-ABHxQ4
…..to be contd.
Hansji @248,
“But I was surprised to find Venkatramanji playing a doctor.”
Did I ? I wrote that I will not be surprised if the patient (?) suggested a CBT to the doctor who diagnosed the OCD. My comment was that of an innocuous observer.
Flattered by your nice words @ 225 I took the plunge in posting a few songs and cut a sorry figure. Now I pray I do not end up with a noose around my neck for poking my nose.
Presenting a contra on Akele chalna and Saath chalna
Akela ye Raasta Zindagi ka, Kahin bhi koi nahi kisi ka, Kishore Kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jAveTl4QR0
Chal Chal Mere Sang Chal, Sukhwinder Singh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKwB1wRUP2s
There has been a discussion on some words bebas, bekas, wahshat etc. I also want to say something which may be useful to some. Meaning of these words have been given by Venkataramanji, which appears correct. Josephji’s mention that कस may be the short form of कसूर has given me the reason to explain this. कस is a total hindi word having its roots in sanskrit. बेकस has come into hindi from persian. There are various uses of the word कस the most common being कस के मारना, कस के गांठ बांधना, कसना, कसौटी पर कसना etc. There is a famous song नजरों के तीर मारे कस कस कस, एक नहीं दो नहीं आठ नौ दस.
Some songs on bekas has been posted but this one from Aab-e-hayat has not been posted. मैं गरीबों का दिल हूं वतन की जुबां, बेकसों के लिये प्यार का आस्माँ is the favourite of many including AK.
https://youtu.be/p46HblFw5Pg
Venkataramanji
Why cant you be a doctor when Mumbaikar8 can. In fact Indians from our Pradhan Mantri to the smallest Santri are always willing to offer advice on each and every subject. You are more qualified than most of them. In fact from your reply to Mumbaikar8 at 256 to me you have staked the claim as an advocate, which title was being given to me by AK.
I put a smiley in my comment, but even if that was not written lightly, we would not have even touched your nose, which you poked, leave alone the noose around the neck you are so precious to us. 😉
Since you have posted the akela song contrast, I would not leave you akela.
Here is ‘akela hoon main is duniya men koi sathi hai to mera saya’.
https://youtu.be/dQVQ2C-B6ms
And here is the contra. ‘Akele hi akele chala hai kahan’ from Gopi.
https://youtu.be/qAav-7EoY4E
Venkataramanji,
Let me first respond to your BTW question
“Will you tell me how to put a “simile” in one’s comment(s).”
Ak Hans and I have discussed it before.
I don’t remember when, probably, you were absent at that time
I had made a complaint to AK that Similes have their own mind, it is accepted or rejected erratically while posting.
Otherwise you would have seen a simile beside “OCD” in my comment.
Next
“I am sure the two following posts did not press its knees on the neck of the said post, it was more of a knee jerk reaction.
“Bu this post was never in need of a ventilator since it was progressively healthy mare in SoY’s stable racing away to the top.”
This takes us back to the core of this post. “Truths and contra-truths.
The truth of glass half full and half empty.
It is said, for the pessimistic is half empty and optimistic half full.
For me it depends upon the need and the expectations.
A person who has had number of drinks and has no capacity for any more would see it as half full. but the person who has walked miles in the chilling sun, thirsty and wanting to drink a pot of water would find it half empty.
That was my perception, this is yours. You are most welcome.
I am glad you came up with yours, and expect you to do it in future as well. As you know I never hesitate to speak similarly want and appreciate others speaking too.
AK @ 260
Thanks for appreciating our effort.
Now time for today’s topic.
Badi Der Bhayi Badi Der Bhayi – Mohammed Rafi – Basant Bahar
https://youtu.be/nQ-YLt_31co
Aana Hai To Aa Rahabw Naya Dour 1957
https://youtu.be/JpHDzsgmcPI
Geeta Dutt :Thehro zara si der toh : Film – Savera (1958)
https://youtu.be/9YInr7KePpQ
Itni Jaldi Na Karo
https://youtu.be/lEQymHoSE-g
Ruk Jao Na Ji Aisi Kya Jaldi | Chalti Ka Naam Gaadi
https://youtu.be/-rnFf6nFZpw
पापा जल्दी आ जाना..Taqdeer 1967_
https://youtu.be/wqByT7BeAbE
Mumbaikar8, Hans, Venkataramanji,
Your discussion about smileys. Just to tell you that disclaimer is not necessary on this blog. My preference is not to use smileys, that seems I take my readers not intelligent enough to understand/take a joke. So don’t worry. If someone is offended, you can explain smiley was hidden. Just imagine how odd it would look if a stand-up comedian has to show every few minutes a placard “Now you should laugh”, or another one, “No offence is meant to anyone”. That would still not protect Kunal Kamra from the perpetually offended mob.
There is a clarification to my comment 264. I re-read Mumbaikar8 comment 244. She has given the meaning of कस in urdu as individual which is correct and this कस has come from persian. Hindi कस is different and there is no conflict of meaning between that given by Mumbaikar8 and me. किस which she mentioned along with कस has come from sanskrit.
Here we have the word ‘ INTEZAR ‘ .
In the first song they are ready to wait till ‘ qayamat ‘ ; in the other song they do not want to wait .
This pair may fit as contra . Someone may find a better pair of contra for these same songs .
a ) ‘ Hum intezar karenge … ‘ / BAHU BEGUM / 1966 / Roshan / Rafi , Asha
https://youtu.be/iPx5cZOjIvE
&
b) ‘ Aaja ke intezar… ‘/ HALAKU / 1956 / SJ / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/_4GPMKgizpU
Mr. Joseph,
Good variation of Intezar contra.
Examples of raat.
Rotr rote guzar gayi raat
https://youtu.be/Ml-7ka-An-M
The other beeteen na beetain raina
https://youtu.be/Jk7hqqtd9bY
Khayalomein aaya nahin karte.
https://youtu.be/3cAhn5vetZo
Contra Khayolon se se gali me cahle aayenge
https://youtu.be/XVHD0S4gMrY
( Hope not a repeat )
This may fit in as a song with internal contra as for every question there is an answer.
‘ Koi bata de…’ / MAYN CHUP RAHOONGI ‘ / 1962 / Chitragupt / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/bhGaJ0B1UDs
Another song that may fit in as ‘ internal contra song ‘ as for every question there is an answer.
‘ Aag paani mein … ‘/ JHOOLA / 1962 / Salil / Rafi , Lata & chorus
https://youtu.be/W4eyAUdSL_4
Ms.Mumbaikar ji, Joseph ji ,
Nice songs both of you have added.
Last song reminds me of one of the duet of rafi and geeta dutt.
Aag daman mein laga di tere diwane ne..
..a melody of iqbal qureshi. He was really a good composer….but was given less chance . I like to listen more songs whenever they invade my mind. Just now i am thinkig of his big hit….love in shimla.
Hansj @ 264, 265,
Thanks for further clarifications, reassurances and the smiley too. I love to be advocate rather than a doctor.
Main garibon ka dil hoon watan ki zabaan, Bekason ke liye pyar kaa asmaan is nice song. Saat chalne ki liye Dhanyavad.
Posting another contra on Akela chalna and Saat Chalna.
Akela Hoon Main-Kishore Kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJE8tCIwVtY
Yunhi Kat Jaayega Safar Saath Chalne Se
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gydQicNmT4o
Mumbaikarji @ 266,
Thank you for the explanation on smiley. As I have said earlier I would try to address your second part in the anniversary post. Thanks for the nice contra songs on Der…
Hansji’s and your efforts have boosted the post to the top spot. Congratulations
A pair of contra Aanewala and Janewale
Aaj koi hai aane wala, kaun ye kyu batlau, Suraiya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CAOfV6r1-8&feature=emb_title
Jaane Vaale Se Mulaqat Na Hone Paai, Lata Mangeshkar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtlIB_uo9VA
Here is a song where you see the two who cannot reach an understanding due to cultural differences . May fit in under the category of internal contra songs .
‘ Mein Bangali Chokra … ‘/ RAAGINI / 1958 / OPN / Kishore , Asha
https://youtu.be/8x2MqmcymRg
Bhatiaji,
Here is your song.
PANCHAYAT 1958*Aag daman me laga li Tere deewaneh neh
https://youtu.be/DY3-DgjcyKo
Listening to Geeta Dutt I went to a topic I had discussed earlier but forgot Geeta Dutt.
I shouldn’t have, she was undisputed queen of this contra.
Zinda zindagi. Zindagi Hai Zinda
https://youtu.be/aq9A–_6Psg
Zehar zindagi Kaise Koi Jeeye Geeta Dutt Film Baadban
https://youtu.be/Z86G6g-KQxs
Another song that can be taken under ‘ internal contra songs ‘ as the two singers clearly oppose each other .
‘ Ye mard bade …’ / MISS MARY / 1957 / Hemant / Lata , Rafi
https://youtu.be/Zlmk2Oo7qxY
Mumbaikar8 ‘ji @277;
Thanks for posting song from PANCHAYAT . Some time we just struck happy notes when such songs crops up and take you there where one belongs to in that era . Bathroom…nay…Gusalkhana…as we call them in 1958 ….were the best place to hum and sing such melodious songs. We tried echo sounds too when singing near the corners of the walls.
Yes those were the days when every MD gave their best. Those who wish to sing always find a song and place to sing. Music and rhythm finds their own ways to please your mind and soul .
Geeta Dutt was a great soul herself. Her each notes lift the melodies to greater heights ….be it slow or fast number .
Zinda zindagi. Zindagi Hai Zinda….I am hearing for the first time . Ameeta , a less known actress then …used to be handy singing such songs. Song from Baadban is of course all time great .
Here are two songs that is subject to s
aye mere dil kahi aur chal..Talat_Lata_Shailendra_Shankar jaikishan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFqiq7yHI8
Jaoon Kahan Bata Aye Dil – – Chhoti Bahen…mukesh…SJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15OyGa6Q50
……to be contd…..
Bhatiaji,
Ameeta was lucky for struggling actors. If I am right she worked with three struggling actors. Shammi Kapoor in Tumsa nahin dekha, Rajender Kumar and yesterday I saw Manoj Kumar in Panchayat all of them gained popularity and became big star in their own way but for Ameeta it was हम है वहीँ हम थे जहाँ.
Adding to your songs two contra Musafir songs, both by Shailendra.
Wahan kuan hai tere Guide
https://youtu.be/QCsdHLTf0cI
And chal chal re musafir chal Pooja
https://youtu.be/iJmkC3fAltQ
It is still fluttering thanks to
Mr Josheoh, Mumbaikar ji , Bhatiya ji , Venkatraman ji
Here are few lighter lines
1 jodi humari jamega kaise
– Aulad – Majrooh – Chitragupt
This song was a regular feature of Aap hi ke geet on Ceylon ( kab tak hujoor was a very good Lata number )
2 Hum bane tum bane
Ek duje ke liye – Anand Bakshi – LP
Read Mr Joseph instead of Josheoh
There are many possible contra pair songs on the theme of ‘ Dil Todna ‘ . This may not be the best as someone could search a better pairing for each of these songs .
‘ Aaj ki raat … ‘ / BAAZI / 1951 / SDB / Geeta
https://youtu.be/i1rzBZCxJtA
& contra
b) ‘ Is tarah toda…’ / SHEHNAI / 1964 / Ravi / Asha
https://youtu.be/f-ljs03FUe0
Muliji
@230
‘Raat ki mehfil sooni’ is my favourite. The Kudrat song I heard for the first time. Mukhda was good but antara was just tolerable. Majrooh was perhaps running out of ideas by then and RDB had since long composing interest in mukhdas only. So many great ‘mehfil’ songs are coming to mind, but I would post ‘mehfil se uth jane walo tum logo par kya ilzam’ from Dooj Ka Chand. Roshan was just sublime and Sahir in his inimitable style puts all the ilzams despite saying the opposite in the mukhda. And surpassed himself in doing sharaabi songs.
The link for the above song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCGBaPTUmT8
Josephji @ 259
Great roothna-manana songs. These roothna manana songs mostly have the same direction, one doing roothna and the other manana, the only difference is in style characters and lyrics. But, here is a song ‘jana hai to jao manayenge nahin’ from Bandhan, in which both hero and heroine are going at each other.
Hero – Jana hai to jao manayenge nahin, nakhre kisi ke uthayenge nahin.
Heroine – Aana hai to aao bulange nahin, kadmon pe sar ko jhukayenge nahin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoYPIgRrPd8
There are many songs on the word ‘ Raaz ‘. Here , I guess is one contra pair on Raaz e dil .
‘ Raaz e dil humse …’ / TERI TALAASH MEIN / 1965 / Sapan Jagmohan / Asha
https://youtu.be/CLMQ-6xv2H4
& the contra
‘ Raaz e dil unse …. /APNA BANA KE DEKHO / 1962 / Ravi / Rafi
https://youtu.be/CUZZ_Mrr90g
Here is a pair on ‘ Raaz ‘ . In the first song the decision is ‘ Raaz ko raaz rehne do ‘
a ) ‘ Raaz ki baat…’ / DHARMA / 1973 / Sonik Omi / Rafi ,Asha
https://youtu.be/WYAMJV4CQ3U
In the contra , decision is ‘ Raaz e dil kehane ki raat aayi ‘
b ) ‘ Dil jo na kah…’/ BHEEGI RAAT / 1966 / Roshan / Rafi
https://youtu.be/EvUsu76kl7E
This is a song on ‘ Raaz ‘ which may fit under ‘ internal contra songs ‘ as Dev is hiding some secrets but at the same time his secrets cannot be hidden as it is exposed by his facial expressions.
‘ Lakh chhupao chhup … ‘/ ASLI NAQLI / 1962 / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/Vyav2kQicYQ
Mumbaikar8 @ 280
You are right Ameeta was unlucky and despite the success of Tumsa Nahin Dekha and Goonj Uthi Shehnai could not go very far and soon had to settle for smaller roles. In Goonj Uthi Shehnai she had joint share with Anita Guha, but in Tumsa Nahin Dekha she played perfect foil to Shammi in the songs which made the film a success. But, in the film Panchayat she was not there. The heroine singing the song is Jabeen.
About zindagi songs you or others can revert to them again and again, because there are a number of them. Even the songs with first word as zindagi are many. I am giving here ‘zindagi kya hai gam ka dariya hai’ from Pyar Kiya to Darna Kya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqgrigwS7Do
The counter is ‘zindagi ek safar hai suhana’ from Andaz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBspOUwBHRg
Josephji
Very good songs on raaz. But would it not have been better if ‘dil jo na kah saka’ and ‘lakh chhupao chhup na sakega’ were presented as counter songs and ‘raaz ki baat kehdoon to’ was given as an internal contrast song.
I have two songs ‘meri awaz suno pyar ka raaz suno’ from Naunihal and ‘itna hai tumse pyar mujhe mere raazdar’ from Suraj.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlpfBbzLCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfX7qlOifvc
And now a new topic ‘bhanwra’ and ‘kali’. As always I have made a series, but I have kept out songs with bhanwra and phool.
First, the kali is calling.bhanwra a nadan. Well known song from Sahib Bibi aur Gulam.
https://youtu.be/DHyRikMZXqw
After teasing the bhanwra, she concludes that this bhanwra is bairaagi. So she sings
ओ मेरे बैरागी भंवरा मुझे तडपाओ ना
कली के प्यासे दिल को ठेस लगाओ ना
आओ ना
This masterpiece from SDB is a lesser known song from Ishq Par Zor Nahin.
https://youtu.be/afciUS3ZWCw
Then she complains, though playfully that ‘baag men kali khili bhanwra nahin aaya’ – film Chand Aur Suraj.
https://youtu.be/PjPHKLORVGU
Now the bhanwra arrives with all pomp and show but she moves away and he has to sing
ओ मनचली कहां चली -2
देख-3 मुझसे ना शर्मा, देख-3 मैं हूं इक भंवरा और तू कली
https://youtu.be/ccHWrviuMpk
And now the kali puts blame on the bhanwra for being beiman. So he from being a nadan becomes beimaan without any thing achieved. Listen to ‘kali kali choome’ again from Manchali.
https://youtu.be/UsJ0rBK1ez8
And now some rare ones.
Deewali has many contra songs. But Id, can you have many pairs. I found this one.
‘Mujhe mil gaya bahana teri deed ka’ from Barsaat ki Raat.
https://youtu.be/N5D7eIQM1x4
‘Id ka din tere bin hai feeka’ from Sohni Mahiwal.
https://youtu.be/gDOVVp5Q5uE
If you listen to ‘chand ko kya maloom chahta hai use koi chakor’ you may think there is no exact contra song. But there is one. ‘Sang sang rahenge tumhare ji huzoor’ from Mulzim.
https://youtu.be/HWwvLvoQZT4
Link to the first song from Lal Bangla.
https://youtu.be/2kWwF5Fd3XY
In film Hathi Mere Sathi, Rajesh Khanna got the khatara car of Tanuja with the help of a hathi who was later shot dead. The song
https://youtu.be/byS00iKwZ9w
I dont know the hathi ka bachcha, in film Maa was any of his relation, because he was making the he man sing ‘gaoonga nachunga rounga hansoonga’.
https://youtu.be/gek9Ttaa42c
Venkataramanji @ 61
Hans @ 66 has said it all.
“you know more about the blog than the blogger himself”
Thanks that is all I can say.
Your analysis of AK getting more comments than rest of his guests writers, is because none of the guest writers can close to the promptness of AK in responding, that is one of the reasons why he has
that many (regular) visitors.
Like AK I do not much care about number of comments ,
They can be misleading. Today Hans shot six comments, this is quite normal has happened many times.
I look for traffic.
Once again thanks, appreciate your effort.
Hans @ 290.
Thanks for drawing my attention, I should have done better.
To make me feel better I checked whether Ameeta had worked with Manoj or not.
Actually she did.
I can post a song from that movie, found a contra, because it is very much like “ Zindagi”
Movie is Maa Beta and song Tumse humen pyar hai.
https://youtu.be/XYAyaeeQeig
Mujhe tumse nahin hai Gharonda
https://youtu.be/AZXSBVWQ8wo
Hans @ 284
The song mehfil se uth jane walon had personal angle like Chalo ek baar phir se.
It is mentioned here in this Rajya Sabha program on Amrita Preetam.
https://youtu.be/jyng88pcU7g?t=2046
Consider now naam Here Mumtaj is wearing & chanting his name like Radha did, “Jaise raadha ne mala Japi shyam ki
Maine odhi chunariya tere naam ki”
& Look how Pradip Kumar vows not to utter her name with a very noble intention of not damaging her character,
“Tera Naam hi lena chhod diya”
1 Jaise Radha ne – Tere Mere Sapne – Neeraj- SDB
https://youtu.be/ROPIDnr8cJM
2 Jis dil me basa tha – Saheli – Indeevar- KA
https://youtu.be/YU7LuDbHQgw
AKji:
I thought that I should wait and be the one to bring up the triple century! But then that would not be cricket given the work Mumbaikar ji, Hans ji, Venkatraman ji, Rahul Muli ji, Bhatia ji, and all the other more prolific scorers have put in. Still, here is one single from me coming in the form of ‘Main shaayar to nahin’ – internal contrast (Shailendra Singh in Bobby; MD: LP):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeMg-gm1Us
We hear a song where the bride is telling that for making a new bonding of love in marriage , she has to painfully break all her very dear lifelong bonds with friends and family . Today things are different to a large extent .
This may song may fit in under internal contra .
‘ Ek pyar ke bandhan…’/ PYAR KA BANDHAN / 1963 / Ravi / Asha
https://youtu.be/yvYjJqRNY2o
He says that her anklets are much better than him as it continuously touches her body intimately . Vyjayantimala does not agree and maintains that he is touching her intimately with his eyes constantly . The two have different opinions on the same issue and so this song may fit in as an internal contra .
‘ Humse toh achhi …’ / GANWAR / 1970 / Naushad / Rafi , Asha
https://youtu.be/PlEBN9JpNSc
‘ Dard ‘ related songs have figured frequently in HFM.
Here we see contrast songs where ‘ Dard ‘ cause pain for some but can be pleasant for others.
a ) ‘ Mujhe dard e dil … ‘ / AAKASH DEEP / 1965 / Chitragupt / Rafi
https://youtu.be/wKHr4q-uA_s
and two contra songs
b ) ‘ Dard e dil jeene ka … ‘ / APRADHI / 1992 / LP / Alka Yagnik , Mohammed Aziz
https://youtu.be/c6mXd1z_cvs
c ) ‘ Pyar ka dard … ‘ / DARD /Khayyam / 1981 / Kishore , Asha
https://youtu.be/BYsNBclR4nQ
Congratulations everybody and a special thanks to Josephji.
Josephji was the most appropriate person to be the one to bring up the triple century.
Congratulations to all who made it to cross this milestone . I hope joseph ji, hans ji and others will make it to even 400 score beating the pankaj roy and umrigar partnership. The captain…venkatraman ji…truly made this happened. From ladies cricket bench …mumbaikar did a good score keeping the score card moving ….but who is on opponent side ? …no one knows.
Remember shailendra line from shree 420 movie…..aaye gaaye manziloan ke nishan , lehra ke jhooma jhooka aasman…leken rukega na yeh carvan….mud mud ke na dekh mud ke.
Bhatiaji,
Your presence makes all the difference.
आप के आनेसे चहल पहल लगी रहती हैं
Rahulji @ 297
What is the intention of Raj Kapoor here ?
Bol Radha bol sangam hoga ki nahin
https://youtu.be/9a-ONy8iGNQ
Canasyaji @ 298 Mr Joseph @ 301
This song is common in both the categories.
Dard e dil dard e Jigar dil Main Jagaya aapne – Karz
https://youtu.be/G_yCwBhPnDc
Basant bahar was a veritable feast very delicately delivered by SJ. As an album it should rank as one of the top from SJ stable.
Manna Dey sings
Sur na saje kya gaau main?
Now there perhaps can be no better paradox than this .
He begins with the lament that Sur na saje but then goes on to deliver a performance which is faultless.
However if we accept that he cannot sing as sur saje nahi hai then also we have a contrast in the form of Nargis who in almost the same situation exhorts herself to sing , sing & sing in a film dominated by Asha
” Ga mere man ga
Ga mere man ga
Yunhi bitaye ja din zindagi ke”
1 Sur na saje – Basant bahar
– Shailendra – SJ
https://youtu.be/MI4OCBV78nM
2 Ga mere man ga – Lajvanti – Majrooh – SDB
https://youtu.be/Sgm0HkCduYk
Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;
Thanks for your kind words . Sitting on bench, platform or pavilion maters little as long as one is enjoying blog and comments , contributions and observations.
a little more of observation on Ameeta and some more budding heroins knocking the doors of stardom. Yes if one care to see the clips of chorus songs of Mughal E Azam one can easily recognise the faces of Ameeta , Vijay Chowdhry etc. One more thing….Johney walker also had a small role in that movie….and it has never been discussed at any platform.
Now more of Ameeta song and other one related to theme.
Kisika Nahi Rahi, Abhiman, Manna Dey, Abhiman.[1957]..Anil Biswas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_72H2oMq64
Re Murakh Tu Kya Jane Tune Sab Kuch Aaj Gavaya || Old Classic Song Movie Amanat – 1955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkgCv3x_1TM
Murli Wale Murli Baja (HD) – Dillagi Songs – Shyam – Suraiya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU-75EyFZYc
Mohan Ki Muraliya Baje – Shamshad Begum – Mela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEEkD5FixE8
….to be contd…
‘ Hamsafar ‘ is another common word in HFM and there could be many contra songs .
I have observed earlier also that the same songs may get better paired with another song as I know only a few out of the so many.
These two songs may pair…
‘ Humsafar saath chhod … ‘/ AAKHRI DAO / 1953 / MM / Rafi , Asha
https://youtu.be/OIZaLYIfPXg
and the contra…
‘ Tum jo huwe… ‘ / 12 ‘ O CLOCK / 1958 / OPN / Rafi , Geeta
https://youtu.be/c60uJHdP1Tk
A doubt raised in this 1948 song
‘ woh pass rahe … ‘ / BADI BEHEN / 1948 / Husnlal Bhagatram / Suraiya
https://youtu.be/o15ce6fJbo4
and this 1951 song gives an answer , …which could fit as a contra
‘ Dil dhadke nazar…’ / ALBELA / 1951 / CR / Lata
https://youtu.be/EO9MW1A8dAM
Paradox in another Manna Dey classic song?
इक पल जैसे एक युग बीता
युग बीतें मोहे नींद न आई .
Neend na aai led to sona
सोजा. सजन ख्वाब में आएंगे
So ja Rajkumari
https://youtu.be/opsmm66GLH0
सोना ना ………सजन से मिलना है तो खवांबों के अँधेरे मत रहना. जागते रहना
Sona Na Sitaron Ka Hai Kehna
https://youtu.be/p-UPtKXMqz0
In continuation here is one song that says it all…..
DO BOONDEIN SAAWAN KI – ASHA (PHIR SUBAH HOGI 1958)-SAHIR – KHAYYAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CtTJ8KvS_Y&t=56s
Ms Mumbaikar , Joseph ji, hans Ji , Muli ji , Venkatraman ji;
More pair of songs….
Kuhu Kuhu Bole Koyaliya……swapn sundri….Rafi Lata…Adi Narayan Rao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZxdIF-45QU
Geeta Dutt – Sapna (1952) – ‘e kaari koyalia’ …[ this one is gem of a song ]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoMyo_XuZQI
Songs around ‘ Teer ‘ are numerous in HFM .
Perhaps this one fits under ‘ internal contra ‘
Listening to the song movement initially you feel that the lady would go on suffering injustice …
‘ teer khaate jaaenge, aansu bahaate jaayenge o teer chalaanevaale ‘
But towards the end the lady says that for his cruelty he will have to pay one day …
‘ beasar hote nahi aansu kisi naakaam ke , tujhko bhi ronaa padegaa ek din dil thaam ke ‘
‘ Teer khaate jaayenge… ‘ / DEEWANA /1952 / Naushad / Lata
https://youtu.be/UYqT1q4KHnE
AKji there is such a deluge that it looks like 26/7 is going to be repeated on SOY.
And only on Ameeta there is a torrent.
I add my own bit
Kaise kahu
Tum hame pyar karo ya na karo hum tumhe pyar kiye jayenge is what Nanda said to Vishwajeet. Somehow I find the composition very UnSDB , though I like it immensely.
Contrast this with
Goonj Uthi Shenai
Where Rajendra kumar is pleading to public at large
Kah do koi na kare yahan pyar.
I haven’t seen Kaise kahoo & Gunj uthi is very faint in memory .
But it seems that in both the songs situation is more or less same ( imminent heart break) but in one case the spurned lover is resolute and will continue to love himb whether he reciprocates or not . But in the second case
Rajendra kumar is banishing the word love from the dictionary of everybody.
1 Tum hame pyar karo ya na karo – Kaise Kahoo- Shakeel – SDB
https://youtu.be/yEuvjaX6uGI
2 Kah do koi na kare yaha pyar – Goonj Uthi Shehnai – Pt Bharat Vyas – Vasant Desai
https://youtu.be/uAie5OAt4Y4
Rahulji and other members of SoY,
It is a real deluge, and a welcome endless deluge.
And I was waiting for this momentous occasion.
Congratulations every body for crossing another land mark.
Till today Subodhji’s article “Best film songs based on classical ragas” had 311 comments against it. That was the highest in the 10 years of SoY. The honour of taking this article beyond that land mark goes to Josephji. A special word of thanks to Hansji, Rahulji, Bhatiaji and above all Mumbaikaji for the motivation and leading from the front.
Anything do with “contra”, there will be Nari Shakti’s involvement.
Thanks also to the author of the article AKji and once again to Rahulji
for the idea.
Dev Anand in two contrasting moods,
And a contrasting situation…….
Aye dil kaha teri manzil
na koi deepak hai na koi tara hai
gum hai zamin dur asmaan
aye dil kaha teri manzil …….
Dwijen Mukherjee, Lata Mangeshkar & Chorus, Maya (1961), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Salil Chowdhury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S199DH_hDfU&feature=emb_title
Aye Kash Chalte Milke
chand or mai or tu
aye kash chalte mil le
ye teen rahi dil ke
Asha Bhosle, Manna Dey, Manzil (1960), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music S D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG5Tqe7zTAY
Mumbaikar8 @296
I think you wanted to post the upper part in the post on completion of 10 years. I would comment on this aspect in that post.
Regarding Ameeta-Manoj, there was also a film Piya Milan Ki Aas in which there was the famous song ‘man ki gagaria men tu chamka’.
Yes, quite a few of songs by Sahir come from his life experiences. Even Amrita Preetam wrote many poems indicating her love life. She has a unique style and I like her poems and novels. I think women should read her poetry. Her poems spur one to believe in oneself rather than play the victim card.
Hans ji ;
There is one more movie….Abe Hayat….which starred Shashikala , Ameeta and premnath. I enjoyed this movie in my youth days as it was full of action and beautiful songs. I saw it in chandni chownk old movie theater …Excelsior …..with interval calls of…aaye chhaiye pepsi…delivered on your seat with chips of old fantastic tastes that burns the ears of nearby audience. I really miss that old charm .To recall here are two songs with common chorus interludes.
Jhuk Jhuk Jaye – Geeta Dutt, Abe Hayat….Sardar Malik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ1uAlwW-3Q
Main Garibon Ka Dil – Hemant Kumar, , Abe Hayat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOt2Ng9CXRA
Melodies live for ever…thanks to recall button.
Muliji @ 297
There was a song ‘chahunga main tujhe sanjh savere, phir bhi kabhi ab naam ko tere awaz main na doonga’. Then came the contrast ‘mera to jo bhi kadam hai wo teri raah men hai’. Links to both songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1CLFK9T028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP0D6ZJll1M
And there is ‘tere naam ka deewana tere ghar ko dhoondta hai’ from Suraj Aur Chanda’.
@ 305
‘Aaj ga lo muskura lo mehfilen saja lo, kya jane kal koi sathi chhoot jaye’ from Lalkar, caters to both gana and mehfil. And there is a contrasting sad version too. Breathtaking picturisation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl376im79Bw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QySHI7cLDyg
@213
There is a song on similar lines in Rani Rupmati ‘phul bagia men bulbul bole’ with internal contrast too like ‘muhabbat karlo jee bharlo’ from Aar Paar.
The song runs thus.
Heroine
फूल बगिया में बुलबुल बोले डाल पे बोले कोयलिया
प्यार करो रुत प्यार की आई रे भँवरे से कहती हैं कलियाँ
Hero
प्यार तो है तलवार की धार जी प्यार की मुश्किल हैं गलियां
प्यार में राधा बावरी बन गयी रटते रटते सांवलिया
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrZ19q0kpRQ
Perhaps this song fits under internal contra.
These two though have been meeting for so long yet they feel as if they are meeting for the first time.
Good to check if we in the same situation .
‘ Umr hui tumse … ‘ / BAHURANI / 1963 / CR / Lata , Hemant
https://youtu.be/PIUtQ30EaAw
Josephji @ 307
Here are two songs ‘humsafar ab ye safar kat jayega’ from Juaari and ‘kisi raah men kisi mod par’ from Mere Humsafar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNQ5MGomiYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv0DBfaeEsc
In the first one both talk about their past sorrows and in the second one they are worried about any impending mis-happening.
Now look at ‘jab tum ho mere humsafar khoobsoorat’ from Aan Baan. What kind of humsafar both of them are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2EZAfDUmM
Mumbaikar8 @ 306 & Bhatiaji
You must have similar experiences as in the following two songs.
‘Jab jaag uthe armaan’ from Bin Badal Barsaat, where he loses sleep because there is हसीं मेहमान in the house.
https://youtu.be/34jn_qf0yII
or
‘Neend na mujhko aaye’ from Post Box 999, where both are blaming each other for the lost sleep. Hemant magic in both songs.
https://youtu.be/Z0ylZMYJ1Uo
Hans ji,
There is one more song on neend….
Neend kabhi rehti thi aankhoan mein ab rehte hain sawaria . This song of lata was picturised on mala sinha and was composed by madan mohan….film ..?
Bhatiaji
The song you mention is ‘meri ankhon se koi neend liye jata hai’. That was in the film Pooja Ke Phool and also picturised on Mala Sinha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgRvsTAxy30
‘Neend kabhi rahti thi’ was from film Aasra, music by LP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j63PX-O4Jg
Hans ji @318
In the list of contrast songs I had mailed to AKji chahunga mai tujhe was included but I pitted it against
1 Main to har mode par tujhko dunga sada – Chetna – Naqsh Layalpuri- Sapan Jagmohan
https://youtu.be/Sxgco9wmZqM
Or
2 Mallika-e tarranum’s iconic
Awaaj de kaha hai – Anmol Ghadi – Tanveer Naqui – Naushad
https://youtu.be/ANptt7VMxXU
I have a mehfil song against the one quoted by you which I also heard for the first time
Ye mehfil yun hi sajegi – Aaj ki Radha
– Kishor kumar – Indeevar – Sapan Jagmohan
https://youtu.be/nX06AJP0uPM
Now a new topic ‘dhoondhna’.
Akela hoon main humsafar dhoondhta hoon – Jaal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDeUsUZaGE
Now this one is sure he will be successful. Jab dekh liya to chhupenge kahan unhen dhoondh hi lenge kahin na kahin – Chirag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ElXyN1T7tw
Now two contra qwaalis.
Dhoondh ke laun kahan se main – Bahu Begum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg_olS7baxA
Hum tujhe dhoondh lenge – Mahal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuRSO6QJeeM
There are so many songs relating to ‘bahaar’ that it is difficult to choose. But, I will try to make a series with different colours. Hope it would be liked.
She is invoking ‘baharo mera jeewan bhi sanwaro’ (Aakhri Khat), but her sanwaria is lurking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4MQ5QbDkuA
He is more direct to a specific subject, but another one is mistaken. ‘Ae jane baharan jane karam’ – Jahan Pyar Mile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDH7T2ZJ984
And now the contra songs.
Bahar ban ke wo muskuraye – Apne Hue Paraye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goS766qWmH0
Aaye bahar ban ke lubha kar chale gaye – Rajhath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WTFX75Z4fM
And now ‘baharon ne mera chaman loot kar’ from Devar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO8M-Tz69WA
She is expecting some one to come to the village.
Bhor hote kaga pukare kahe raam, kaun pardesi aayega mere gaon – Chirag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsodEd8l2fg
And look at this bloke. He does not care for the village any more.
Nayi hawa men udne dekho ban ka mor chala, apna gaon sambhalo main to shahar ki aur chala – Gaon Hamaara Shahar Tumhara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZyh_HwfZm8
Some of the frequently used words like KASME , VAADE , PYAR , WAFA also have songs with several possibilities of contra pairs .
Perhaps these songs may qualify as contra …
( Hope not a repeat )
a) ‘ Ae Sanam aaj … ‘ / JAHANARA / 1966 / Roshan / Talat , Lata
https://youtu.be/DXuXftyzqCw
b) ‘ Tere pyar ka … ‘ / DHOOL KA PHOOL / 1958 / N Dutta / Lata , Mahendra Kapoor
https://youtu.be/9urIZUwblKg
c) ‘ Yeh mera Prem… ‘/ SANGAM / 1964 / SJ / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/En2P2vhVna8
& the contra song
‘ Kasme Vaade Pyar… ‘ / UPKAR / 1967 / Kalyanji Anandji / MannaDey
https://youtu.be/oIiHAKDfksk
Hans @ 316.
I did not know Ameeta and Manoj Kumar lip-synched Man ki gagariya.
She has some very good songs to her credit.
Hans @ 325
Can this be a addition to your “dhoondhna”
Tu chhupi hai kahan…Film Navrang
https://youtu.be/1lieuCEc_wI
Now let’s have Vyjanthimala contradicting herself.
Chhotisi se y duniya pehchhane raaste
https://youtu.be/U9A6NnnI6Ts
Itne Bade Jahan Mein Aye Dil –
https://youtu.be/3EbFgKCX0Mc
Mumbaikar ji @ 329
In chhotisi ye duniya both versions the characters are hopeful of meeting again sometime
While in zindagi ke safar me gujar jate hai Rajesh Khanna is absolutely sure that they will not meet again
Kuch log jo safar me bichad jaate hai wo hajaro ke aane se milte nahi.
यह भूली दास्ताँ लो फिर याद आ गयीं.
This time it is दवा and ज़हर
For dava good old Ghalib
Dil-E-Nadan Tujhe Hua Kya – Mirza Ghalib
https://youtu.be/I8oT8_l5NfE
And contradicting him who else other than Sahir?
Jo dava ke naam pe zahar de usi charagar ki talaash hai
https://youtu.be/BQRHuMBtOYY?t=196
AKji
Giving below two songs on the topic – Akela. Can it be dubbed as contrast songs.
Akela hoon mein, Majrooh, S D Burman, Mohammad Rafi, Film Baat ek raat Ki (1962)
https://youtu.be/5lZLjgxMxLg?t=44
Akele mat jaiyo, Lata Mangeshkar, Majrooh, Madan Mohan Film – Akele Mat Jayiyo
https://youtu.be/o0kfz5N2n-I?t=10
Mumbaikar8,
You can add in this ‘Na to dard gaya na dawa hi mili, maine dhoondh ke dekha zamana’.
Mr Rangan,
Fits perfectly. In ‘Akela hun main’ Dev Anand is happy with his single status (not a very good translation, but). In Akeli mat jaiyo the loner status is not commended.
AKji,
Woh Kuch Bhoole hue Afsane lekar, Kahan se Phir Chale Aaye,
Lo Chalo Mein Bhi Sang Doon, Jab Tak Aur Musafir Aaye
Mumbaikarji,
Gulab, Khwab, Dawa, Zahar, Jaam Kya Kya hai
Mein Aa Gaya Hoon Bata Intezam kya Kya hai.
Akji @333, Mumbaikarji,
Na to dard gaya na dawa hi mili, maine dhoondh ke dekha zamana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRBgWcx09MA
Can this be a contra song for the above?
Tumhi Ne Dard Diya Hai Ghareeb Jaanke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEllJMQk_1c
NV @ 335
Gulab, Khwab, Dawa, Zahar, Jaam Kya Kya hai
Mein Aa Gaya Hoon Bata Intezam kya Kya hai.
बस इतनी फरमाइशें ?
फ़कीरीं है आप में
AK @ 333 NV @ 336
Can this be answer to your songs?
Zahar Deta Hai Mujhe Koi
https://youtu.be/uDH-c6gfGRg
Moving on from dava and zahar to
Do rangi pyar ki rut.
Holi and savaan how it is described in this Apni Izzat song and contrary to that two different songs.
Pyar Ki Rut Dorangi Sajan.
I notice a mild tremble in Madhubala Jhaveri ‘s voice as well.
https://youtu.be/XHskAplZOU4
Contra to Holi ki aag to Holi ke rang in that evergreen Mother India song Holi aayi re kanhai
https://youtu.be/XCxl-wguiKU
Saavan ki jhadi to rhimjhim saavan
Rim Jhim Gire Saavan | Manzil
https://youtu.be/ksLEOryXtlM
Mumbaikarji @337,
‘बस इतनी फरमाइशें ?
फ़कीरीं है आप में’
‘Phakiri mein maza jisko
Amiri kya bichari hai’
While on Phakiri, let us listen to Sant Meera’s Phakiri
‘Karana Phakiri phir kya dilgiri’, Vani Jayram, Pt. Ravi Shankar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUZJfzBD5Mo
Now let us listen to what Sant Kabir has to say on Phakiri and Ameeri
‘Mann Laago Phakiri Mein’ by Kaluram Bamaniya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrgqkHUJtsg
And now a nice composition from Chitragupt.
‘Mile Amiri Ya Phakiri Mujhe Darr Kya’, Asha Bhosle, Shiv Bhakt (1955), Gopal Singh Nepali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL8hBcWDo
A beautiful song from Krishna Sudama (1957), Md.Rafi, Madhubala Zaveri, Pt.Radheshayam, Husnlal-Bhagatram
‘Ratan hai anmol do hamare….. Idhar garibi udhar amiri, Chupi hai dono taraf Phakiri’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksgkgozYeo0
Main to Inezaam ki Baat kah di, Bahut kuch Maang li aap se, Gustaki maaf.
Aap Phakiri ki Chadar pehana ke, mujhe sharmimda kardiye.
Is Kabir ki Rachana se Abida Parveen Phakiri ki asli swaroop dikha rahi hai.
‘Man laago yaar Phakiri me, man laago yaar Phakiri me, Abida Parveen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB2TCCowHpA
Mumbaikarji @337,
‘Can this be answer to your songs?
Zahar Deta Hai Mujhe Koi’.
This gives another dimension to the subject.
A good composition by Jaidev and Naqsh Lyalpuri.
There is another version by Bhupinder Singh. The mukhda is the same , but the antaras are different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmHku7gykng
AKji
What about these two songs in contrast on the subject – manoon yaa na manoon
Savera 1968, Geeta Dutt, Prem Dhawan/Sailesh Mukherjee
manena na manena na = https://youtu.be/EZQ6ep1d6zE?t=78
Gunga Jumna 1961, Lata Mangeshkar, Naushad
na manoon na manoon re – https://youtu.be/29ZvsPrNexM
Mumbaikar8, Venkataramanji,
Your exploration of layers of meanings in words is wonderful. I am leaning a lot.
Amiri – Garibi/Fakiri
Hindi films have generally made a very simplistic binary of amiri-garibi. One evil, the other good. Mehboob Khan’s celebrated Roti (1942) I found too black and white. May be there was some deep allegory which I missed. But if you take Kabir’s fakiri the meaning itself changes fundamentally. It is not being poor or deprived; it is the ultimate contentment borne out of self-realisation. I guess a man with ample possessions, too, can reach the state of ‘fakiri’.
Zahar – Dawa/Dua presents many nuances. In ‘Jo dawa ke naam pe zahar de‘ the lady is herself looking for a healer who can give her poison in place of medicine. But in ‘Zahar deta hai mujhe koi’ there is no voluntary request for poison. There is a lament that whether someone gives poison or medicine, it only aggravates her pain. The underlying meaning may be the same – of ultimate dejection and hopelessness, expressed in different ways.
Mr Rangan,
I find that in both the songs there is negation of ‘मानना’. There must be many songs in which the lady happily reconciles and accepts.
Pukaro is another way of awaj do & the following pair is a near perfect contra
1 Here the guy is so ruthless ( nithur) that he refuses to listen / pretends not to listen
Jane kitni baar hriday se maine use pukara
Nithur Piya ke kano tak
Lekin meri awwaj na pahunchi
Written by Mangal BN ( perhaps the only film to his credit ) composed by Jaidev
https://youtu.be/25yWNcUzpv0
2 And now the guy is so obliging that he risks his life to respond to her Pukar
Tumne pukara aur ham chale aaye
Rajkumar – Hasrat- SJ
https://youtu.be/DbMYEcoNGOM
AKji@342
If I were to add the following song from the post on Bharat Vyas on the subject – maan gayi then will it be a case of contrast songs.
https://soundcloud.com/user-151743896/maan-gayi-main-abi
Mr Rangan,
Yes this is a good contrast song. A very nice song having internal contrast is Maano ya na maano meri zindagi ki bahaar ho.
Maano ya na maano meri zindagi ki bahaar ho by Mukesh and Suman Kalyanpur from First Love, music Dattaram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWlo5Ps37Mo
AKji,
An internal conflict; the lady hopes that the protagonist will atleast look back, if not return.
O Janewale Mudke Zara Dekhte, Shree 420 (1955)
Lata Mangeshkar
Hasrat Jaipuri, Shankar-Jaikishan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeXOsG4_JIs
An atmosphereic song, here the lady request her love to come back. But he is unconvinced.
O Janewale Balamwa Laut Ke Aa, Rattan (1944)
Amirbai Karnataki, Shyam Kumar
D. N. Madhok, Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUAYL3TSSSU
Contrary to above two here both of them are sure Aanewale Ko Aana Hoga Janewale ko Jana Hoga,
Sohini Mahiwal(1958)
Lata Mangeshkar, Md. Rafi,
Shaqeel Badayuni, Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufwDfreSzU
Akji, Mumbaikarji,
Saathi Na Koii Manzil Diya Hai Na Koi Mahafil
Chalaa Mujhe Leke Ai Dil Akelaa Kahaan
Mohd Rafi, Bombai Ka Babu (1960),
lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music S D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GrqxZCSEH0
Can this be the reply?
Ae Humsafar Bata De Manzil Teri Kidhar Hai
Jiski Nahi Hai Manzil Ye Ishk Wo Safar Hai
Lata Mangeshkar, Md.Rafi, Mohar (1959),
lyrics Rajinder krishan, music Madan Mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fSutZNfgfE
NV
I am glad you as well as Mr. Rangan are opening out on contra songs.
Regarding Saathi na koi manzil “reply” I think is the right word but contra I am not sure master has to decide that.
Can this be taken as contra.
Maloom nahi
https://youtu.be/86X8ojU_J8E?t=20
Paata hai
https://youtu.be/H66LB11CD4g
It’s like a string of crackers ( पटाखोंकी लडी) .
After initial burst at a feverish pace when one feels that aatishbazi is over & there is silence suddenly a single burst occurs & then another one .
Here is one such .
A contrast about papeehe ki taane
1 Sakhi ri sun bole – Miss Mary – Rajinder Krishan- Hemant kumar
https://youtu.be/zS4b3WlymvE
Where both the sisters are extolling Papeeha ( perhaps wanting him to sing more)
Bolat aisi meethi boli
Chede man ke tar & then
Bairi aisi boli bole
Sun sun manwa dole
Kano me Amritras ghole
Rah rah madhur Pukar
While in
2 Jiya le gayo ji – Raja mehendi Ali Khan – Madan Mohan
https://youtu.be/-JB2tjjzfOg
He is being admonished .
Ja re diwane mar na taane
Piya ki sun jaake basuriya
& Now he is being advised
3 ghadi ghadi mera dil – Shailendra – Salil Chowdhury
Aaj papeehe tu chup rahana
Main bhi hun chup chap
https://youtu.be/0JRJHtk-ZkI
Mr Muli,
In song #2 and 3, the lady is more enamoured of her lover’s melody. Therefore, more than admonition there is friendly advice to the papiha not to gloat about itself, but listen to her lover’s sweet music.
There are clearer contrasts to song #1 in which the bairi papiha is firmly told to stop her chirping which only aggravates the lady’s pain of separation. Here is a combined link of two songs:
Paapi papiha re pi pi na bol bairi pi pi na bol by Suraiya from Parwana (1947), music Khurshid Anwar
Na bol more angana pi pi panchi ja re ja by Shamshad Begum from Dulari (1949), music Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icnzZmhh2NA
(In the second song I am taking the panchhi to be a papiha)
Venkataramanji @346,
O janewale mud ke zara dekhate jana: Very subtle observation. Shree 420 also had its perfect counterpart: Mud mud ke na dekh mud mud ke.
O janewale balamawa laut ke aa laut ke aa: You probably mean ‘Surrogate song’, referring to Karan Dewan and Swarnlata in the audience, and not the dancers on the stage. You have hit upon its perfect contra song.
@347,
I agree with Mumbaikar8 that Q&A songs are another string different from contra songs. The two songs are good reply songs. There is also intra question and answer in Ae humsafar bata de. This is a typical Question & Answer song, which would have to be by definition a duet. That leads to another interesting exploration: Are there solos in which the protagonist is himself/herself asking a question and providing the answer?
Mumbaikar8 @348,
I have answered your first part.
You are a Master of lyrics. But to my mind, in Man dheere dheere gaye re maloom nahin kyun the focus is on an involuntary urge to sing, and I was expecting a song of reluctance to sing (because of frustration in love?). You are also a Master Explorer, and I am sure you would discover a song of that type. And that would also be an addition to classic mathematical paradoxes. Someone too depressed to sing a song, singing songs to express his dejection!
I had earlier posted this pair but somehow it did not appear.
1 Ek khabar aayi suno- pyar ki kahani – AB – RDB
2 GangRam Kawara rah gaya
Jeevandhara – AB- LP
I hope that it fits the bill.
On the post of dream songs there were countless sapno ki rani / raja songs
One of them was
Mere sapno ki rani tum nahi ho – Jawwa mohobbat
Consider this as a contrast
Tu hi wo haseen hai – Khwab
C& b Ravindra Jain
Rafi must have given play back for Mithun very few times ( unees bees was another movie perhaps)
On you tube there is a comment saying that this reminds him ankhiyoke kharoke se
However I recall Mehbooba teri tasveer whenever I listen it.
https://youtu.be/cEnZgpapJ2w
“And that would also be an addition to classic mathematical paradoxes. Someone too depressed to sing a song, singing songs to express his dejection!”
AK,
Thanks I was looking for the other contra, maloom hai aur maloom nahin.
You gave me a new outlook.
Do you think this would fit the bill?
Tu ga mere man ga
https://youtu.be/ksECojZdPMo
AK
Here is a song that is very close to heart.
This song released around the we migrated.
Was on loop.
Chhod aaye hum woh galiyan.
https://youtu.be/Y7JRWs9dvVo
Contra?
Tere Raste Pe Ham Ne Ik Ghar Bana Liya Hai
https://youtu.be/CK8QLnXu6iw
Rahulji @353
Seems Tu hi wo haseen recalls Mehbooba teri tasveer because of proximity of its lyrics.
Mumbaikar ji @356
Yes that is one of the reasons. Another may be some similarity in composition which I am unable to pin down
Duriya & najadeekiya contrast
Here the duri has approached to zero & there is imminent merger
Duri na rahe koi – Kartavya – kapil azar – LP
https://youtu.be/3uxSPRta-rY
And what if physical proximity becomes irrelevant
Faasle aise bhi hoge – adim hashmi – Ghulam ali
https://youtu.be/9YeBWPfg23k
Mr Muli,
‘Dooriyan’ and ‘Nazdeekiyan’ is an interesting pair of contrast. And the first song that comes to my mind has internal contrast.
Dooriyan nazdeekiyan ban gayin ajab ittefaq hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jRVIT5Tpj8
Rahulji.
Contra pair of door qareeb
Door reh kar na karo baat qareeb aa jao
https://youtu.be/fUaJf7HrR_k
Paas door
Paas Nahi Aayiye Haath Na Lagaiye
https://youtu.be/VjQjQCQvbCA
Mumbaikar8 @354,
Ga mere man ga is a very nice song of dejection when her beena is broken, payal is lost, her song is injured, melody is wounded, yet she had to goad herself to show joy and sing.
I thought of some more, I don’t know how close they are.
1. Geet kitne ga chuki hun is sukhi jag ke liye, Asha Bhosle
गीत कितने गा चुकी हूँ इस सुखी जग के लिए
आज रोने दो मुझे पल एक अपने भी लिए
रो रही थी बीन और सुनकर सुखी संसार था
नाचती थीं उंगलियां और कांपता हर तार था
आज टूटा तार मेरा का आघात से
आज कुम्हलाया कुसुम मेरा अधिक बरसात से
साज़ धोने दो नयन के अश्रु खोने दो मुझे
कल सुनाऊँगी मधुर कुछ आज रोने दो मुझे
पल एक अपने भी लिए
There can’t be a more desperate pleading to spare her today; today she just wants to cry for herself, she might think of singing something tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1m1XAWdOg
2. Sur na saje kya gaaun mein by Manna Dey from Basant Bahar
दोनों जहां मुझसे रूठे
तेरे बिना ये गीत भी झूठे
सुर ना सजे क्या गाऊँ मैं
3. Tang aa chuke hain kashamakah-e-zindagi se hum by Rafi from Pyasa
The audience starts clamouring:
अजी जनाब, ख़ुशी के मौके पर क्या बेदिली का राग छेड़ा है. कोई ख़ुशी का गीत सुनाइए.
And the poet starts in Sahir’s great nazm:
हम ग़मज़दा हैं लायें कहाँ से ख़ुशी के गीत
देंगे वही जो पाएँगे इस ज़िन्दगी से हम
4. Aise toote taar ki mere geet adhure rah gaye by Talat Mahmood from Gawaiya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htHrG3MhW_A
There must be many good examples.
Mumbaikar8 @360,
Your second song had gone viral post-Covid19. It was regarded as the ultimate song of social-distancing. The YT link comments are full of Corona. I decided not to use this song. But thanks for posting it. I had not heard it until 2020.
दूर से, दूर दूर दूर से
पास नहीं आइए हाथ ना लगाइए
कीजिए इशारा दूर दूर से
AKji
I do not know whether I am interpreting this song in the right spirit. It seems to me it carries contradictory ideas in song itself. Hero says he is not a ‘shayar’, but after seeing his love he has learnt ‘shayari’. The song is from Bobby – music Laxmikant Pyarelal, lyrics Anand Bakshi
Mein shayar to nahin – https://youtu.be/jmeMg-gm1Us
Can I dub this as a solo but contradictory song.
Another one for duri- nazdeeki
Here he is helplessly going far away – teri duniya se dur chale hoke majboor. & she can offer solace to him only – jao kahi bhi sanam – – – – hame yaad rakhana
& In this case he has come
From far away – dur se tera diwana. & she is more than accomodating, in fact accomodating in her eyes- aa sajan meri aankho mein
1 teri duniya se dur – Zabak – Prem Dhawan -Chitragupt
https://youtu.be/hGuHno7cHFk
2 dur se tera diwana – Raaton ka Raja – Majrooh – RDB
Mr Rangan @363,
I think you are spot on. The hero is not a poet, but after seeing his beloved he has learnt to write poetry. It could be termed a song with internal contra, though the reason for the transformation has been explained.
AK ji @ 365
It’s very befitting that you get the honour of equalling Sir Garfield Sobers .
Ranganji @ 363
Before Bobby there was yet another song expressing a similar contrast
Main kahi kavi na ban jaau- Pyar hi Pyar – Hasarat – SJ
Only thing that in Bobby’ song the contrast reverberates all through like
Main aashiq to nahi
Main dushman to nahi
https://youtu.be/ClNxYSahjZk
Rahulji, AK,
“Anita” Raj Khosla LP Raja Mehdi Ali Khan with Lata trying to create the magic of Lag ja gale in this “qarib” song ?
Kareeb Aa Yeh Nazar Phir Mile
https://youtu.be/SXHlbu5OAM4
AK, Rahulji,
Is 2nd antara jana na jan man hi jana contradicting mukhda and 1st antara?
Nain diwane
https://youtu.be/FmXCRHNF0LI
Mumbaikar ji
I couldn’t get the contrast in nain diwane mentioned by you. Please elucidate .
Mr Muli @366,
You too deserve the credit for hitting upon this idea. Now we see that for every word we can have contra songs.
Mumbaikar8 @367,
It is difficult to recreate the magic of Lag ja gale ki phir ye haseen raat ho na ho. Such songs are not composed, they happen by some divine will. There is a difference between MM and LP. Sadhana as a bar room dancer does not fit with the iconic MM composition.
Mumbaikar8 @368, Mr Muli @369,
I also have the same doubt. My criteria is very simple. There should be no need for a complex reasoning to relate a song to a theme.
AK ji
Can we consider
Main Shayar badnam as a contrast to
Main Shayar to nahi ?
In Bobby, newly born ( cinematically that is) Rishi Kapoor has become a Shayar instantaneously after seeing Dimple . Backdrop is a party with all glitter almost a page 3 party ( though that phrase might not have been coined then).
In Namakharam the Shayar is dying & is lamenting his failures Personal as well as social . The back drop is his shanty with very few close friends in grief . His love makes the last entry before his exit.
Mr Muli,
I am not sure. In Bobby, too, Rishi Kapoor becomes a shayar, inspired by his love. But I guess that is the usual way one becomes a poet. He also becomes badnaam leading to a manhunt for him through a pictorial notice in newspapers.
Rahulji @368
Let me give a disclaimer in the beginning.
Pandit Narendta Sharma is no lyric writer, he is a poet, understanding his poem is not easy.
One needs a teacher for that.
Explaining something (particularly in monologue) is a humongous task for me.
I will try to explain, what I have or have not understood.
Mukhda
naina deewaane ik nahin maane
kare manmaani maane naa
Meaning “ Naina” is doing its “ Manmani” is not listening
First antara or extended mukhda?
huye ye paraaye mann haar aaye
mann kaa maram jaane naa,
maane naa, maane naa
“naina” siding with them lost my mann without any consideration of my mann
Second antara
jaanaa na jaanaa mann hi na jaanaa
chitwan ka mann banta nishaanaa
Here it is the “mann” that has not understood
It can become a target by appearance.
kaisaa nishaanaa kaisaa nishaanaa
mann hi pahchaane naa
maane naa maane naa
How it can become a target“mann” does not recognize .
In this antara mann is the culprit of “loss”
Initial antara “Naina” is the culprit (sweet of course)
later it is the Mann
This is my understanding.
Looking for some some expert opinion from the pundits around.
AK, @ 370
“Now we see that for every word we can have contra songs.”
Mr Jospeph said this @ 259
“My view is that this post on contra songs has infinite scope . Almost every song should be having a contra somewhere as there are around say 30, 000 songs in the 1940 – 1970 period alone . Further , the same song can pair as contra again for some other point . But the contra songs cannot be located easily as I am sure no one can be familiar with all these estimated 30,000 songs and locating the contra songs in this ocean requires considerable time and efforts.”
AK,@ 370/
It is difficult to recreate the magic of Lag ja gale ki phir ye haseen raat ho na ho. Such songs are not composed, they happen by some divine will.
Agree with you, they just happen.
I will go a step further and say, it is not difficult but impossible to create that magic.
Mumbaikar8 @368, Mr Muli @369,
“I also have the same doubt. My criteria is very simple. There should be no need for a complex reasoning to relate a song to a theme.”
There is not complex reasoning, to relate the song to a theme.
Contra theme is in the back of my mind.
While listening to nain diwana I felt the contradiction and as the subject is live here thought about bringing it to this platform to discuss.
I can explain my confusion if you don’t agree, you’ll can outright reject it like Hans did.
Great I get my answer and I concede.
Mumbaikar8,
Thanks for refreshing my memory of Mr Joseph’s comment. He has said it in a very lucid way.
I sense some irritation in your tone at the end 🙂 . ‘Doubt’ is never an outright rejection, this is a seeker who is seeking more clarification. Please do explain. You have always explained subtleties of lyrics and we have all gained by that. You might have noticed I have often requested Mr Joseph and other readers that if they post a song in which the theme is not obvious from the song title, to also write a few lines explaining the connection.
AKji
If a lyric is capable of a wrong interpretation by what it alleges to how it should be viewed logically, can it be a case of contrast song on the ground it is against accepted norms. For example if something permanent is dubbed as fleeting in nature and that which is momentary is claimed to prevail for all time to come, how will such a song be viewed. On hearing from you I will present the song.
Mumbaikar ji @,373
As you have said, it is not easy to understand poems of Pt Narendra Sharma .
Indeed it is still not very clear to me but the position is better than what it was before your explanation.
But here I tend to agree with AK ji when he says that there should not be complex reasoning required to relate a song to the theme ( which itself is a contrast in case of erudite readers of this blog)
AK ji , Mumbaikar ji
I partially agree with Mr Joseph’s view.
There can be number of songs which can be considered as contra songs for a given song & it is difficult to locate the contra song are the points on which there should not be any disagreement.
But I believe that there are songs for which there is no contra or at least it is impractical to find a contra
EG
Aana meri jaan meri jaan Sunday ke Sunday
Mr John ya ho baba Khan
Phul gendawa na maro
Mere saamne wali khidki me
Orv even such philosophical ones
Sun mere Bandhu re
Safal hogi teri
Mr Rangan,
It is clear you have hit upon a unique song for its meaning. If I get you correctly, you are referring to a song whose surface meaning is opposite of some widely-accepted truth. Surely such songs would fit in some specific category of sarcasm, cynicism? I am curious to know of your choices.
AKji
Thanks for your prompt response. I will give a link to a song from Sharth (1954), Music Hemant Kumar and singer same
Na ye chand hoga na tara rahenge magar hum hamesha tumare rahenge
https://youtu.be/ZMqAUUfgwFA?t=43
Moon and stars will outlast human beings by several billion years and the love he is singing about is but for a fleeting moment, may be in nano seconds when weighed in cosmic scale. It is an apparent contradiction of facts. Can this be included here.
Mr Rangan,
It would not occur to me as a contra song. It only shows you are a solid mathematician. I would treat is as a normal figure of speech: exaggeration, अतिशयोक्ति. A normal idiomatic way of saying, Main tunhaare liye chaand taare tod ke la sakta hun. Or his glory was brighter than the sun, and so on.
AKji,
In the first song, Bharat Bhushan responds to the call of the lady Nimmi ‘Akele Akele Kahan Jaa Rahe ho, Mujhe saath lelo’
Tumhaare Sang Main Bhi Chaloongi Piya Jaise Patang Peeche Door
Lata Mangeshkar, Sohini Mahiwal (1958), Shqeel Badayuni, Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jt2A8V-IFc
ANd here, Sharmila is not at all impressed by the overtures made by Shammi Kapoor and in the end she is happy to ward off her stalker.
Akele Akele Kahan Ja Rahe Ho, Humein saath lelo jahan ja rahe ho
Mohammad Rafi , An Evening in Paris (1967), Hasrat Jaipuri, Shankar Jaikishan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BGshnzIbp0
Can this be a contra song
Mumbaikarji, AKji,
A few more on Dard and Dawa;
Hoke Majboor Mujhe Usne Bhulaya Hoga
Zahar Chupke Se Dawa Jaanke Khaya Hoga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l97Ul5X2A0
Dilshad Begum sings-
Mere dard-e-dil ki duniya mein dawa koi nahi
Main wo bekash hu jiska aasra koi nahi
Sari duniya chhod kar maine diya tha dil tujhe
Bewafa iske siwa meri khata koi nahi
Birhan (1948)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9fE-NF4PJY&feature=emb_err_woyt
Naseem Banu advices her friend Nihar Sultana,
‘Zeher Khana Magar Dil Lagana Nahi
Husnwalo ki galiyo me jana nahi
Shamshad Begum, Sheesh Mahal (1950)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilI7kPbmWGI
‘ Mujhi mein chhupkar mujhi se door ‘ may convey internal contra here
‘ Mujhi mein chhupkar…’ / 1958 / JAILOR / MM / Lata , Rafi
https://youtu.be/NQnPgw3TRkc
A Contra pair from Amnaush (1975)
Na Poocho Hame Zahar Kyoon Pee Liya
Zahar Ye Pee Liya Toh Thoda Sa Jee Liya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM9HnNhGxT8
Gum Ki Dawa Toh Pyar Hai
Gham Ki Dawa Sharab Nahi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSy7IlwDYI
‘ Tere phoolon se bhi pyar tere kaanton se bhi pyar…’ I feel conveys internal contra here
‘ Tere phulon se …’ / 1954 / NASTIK / CR / Lata
https://youtu.be/9izSoGPzOUI
in continuation @ 385,
Rahul Jain sings (2018)
Dil Ke Zakhm ki Dil Hi Dawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suVKWL_hF4I
Here ‘ ik hansta hai das rote hain … ‘ I get a feeling of internal contra
‘ Hamne jag ki…’ / 1965 / SHANKAR SEETA ANUSUYA / Pandit Shiwam / Kavi Pradeep
https://youtu.be/iuYOla0dIsw
In one case he says separation from beloved would mean his death
‘ Hum tum se … ‘ / EK SAPERA EK LUTERA / 1965 / Usha Khanna / Rafi
https://youtu.be/-9p209fgPRk
In the contra he clearly says if separated he can choose anyone from among the so many waiting
‘ Tu nahi aur sahi … ‘ / TU NAHI AUR SAHI / 1960 / Ravi / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/mShdjlcQHfk
Mere hannafas mere humnawwa the iconic gazal of Shakeel rendered by One & only on Begum Akhtar is full of internal contrast & sharp sarcasm
Jindagi ki dua na de
Dard-e-dil se hai roshani
Mujhe khauf aatish-e-gul se hai
Ye kahi chamn ko jala na de
https://youtu.be/XYgG6SiX7ZE
Now on to a more obvious & mundane contra
1 dur rahkar na karo baat – Amaanat – Sahir- Ravi
https://youtu.be/w4xhKSLjKnA
2 Paas nahi aana – Aap ki Kasam – AB- RDB
https://youtu.be/KN_rkfY2OoY
Venkataramanji @382,
In Tumhaare sang main bi chalungi piya the lady herself declares her intention to go along with her lover. In Akele akele kahan ja rahe ho, the man is wooing the reluctant lady. A good contra pair.
@383, 387,
Dawa, dua, zahar, sharab is a very fertile field. Thanks for all these songs.
This could be an internal contra song… the words/lyrics say … ‘ Sur na saje kya gaaoon … ‘
But the music / singing perhaps is in perfect ‘ Sur ‘ and so I feel the music/singing is contra to the lyrics . The more knowledgeable could throw light on this .
‘ Sur na saje… ‘ / BASANT BAHAR / 1956 / SJ / Manna Dey
https://youtu.be/MI4OCBV78nM
Josephji
Sur na saje is indeed a paradoxical song where the lament of being besura ( temporarily ) is expressed in the most surilee manner.
I had mentioned this @305
And kora dil ho ya mann HFM has place for both
1 Dil ki kitab kori hai – Yaar mera – Hasarat – SJ
https://youtu.be/eBmy-HFBJ0w
One is surprised that it was penned by Hasarat saab
2 kora kagaj tha ye man mera – Aradhan – AB – SDB
https://youtu.be/ql1-jjEPErw
First in the year 1954 , we are shocked at the condition of God’s subjects
‘ Dekh tere sansar …’ / 1954 / NASTIK / CR / Kavi Pradeep
https://youtu.be/1_5LLtxAB4I
In the contra , within one year in 1955 , the subjects are shocked at the condition of God
‘ Dekh tere Bhagwan…’ / 1955 / RAILWAY PLATFORM / MM / Rafi
https://youtu.be/mvOAuo8_rtI
Mr Joseph @384,
Mujhi mein chhupkar mujhi se door: What a beautiful song! And yes, internal contra is apparent.
@386,
Tere kaanton se bhi pyar tere phoolon se bhi pyar: This too, and another fabulous song.
@388,
Humne jag ki ajab tasveer dekhi: Excellent song. One can say it has internal contra.
@389,
Hum tum se juda hoke mar jayenge ro ro ke: He is an absolute monogamist. Tu nahin aur sahi: The man is an open philanderer. Nice pair of contra songs.
@393, Mr Muli @394,
Sur na saje: I also mentioned this along with some other songs @361, and my explanation was somewhat different.
This could be considered as an internal contra song as ‘ … insan ki aulad hai insaan banega … ‘ is not leaning towards any religion as opposed to the prevailing norms .
‘ Tu Hindu banega…’ / 1959 / DHOOL KA PHOOL / N Datta / Rafi
https://youtu.be/AQLQ4eDf-OI
AKji:
Mumbaikarji and Hans ji had rightly predicted that this post would run a long race. And now we are at the cusp of a new milestone. Let me add one song with internal contrast:
‘Zindagi, ae zindagi, tere hain do roop’ (SDB in Zindagi Zindagi; MD: SDB)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCPxgBcGjE
And two more contrasting songs from the SDB stable:
‘Piya maine kya kiya’ (Manna Dey in Us Paar; MD: SDB)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeWCAsIFKEs
‘Piya tune kya kiya re’ (SDB in Zindagi Zindagi; MD: SDB)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzOCe-_MjC0
Interestingly, this last song ends with the words: ‘Piya maine kya kiya re, piya tune kya kiya re … .’
Do not know if this pair from the same movie can be taken as a contra
‘ Bade armaan se…’ / 1951 / MALHAR / Roshan / Lata
https://youtu.be/AjtHnKrDTqo
and the contra
‘ dil diya thha … ‘ / 1951 / MALHAR / Roshan / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/EWuuhv9PKUw
Canasya @399,
I didn’t realise when I wrote this post that this theme has such infinite possibilities. All credit to the readers who have explored it beyond imagination.
Zindagi ae zindagi tere hain do roop is a wonderful song. Its mukhada itself proclaims that life is full of contrasts: good-bad, happy-sad, sunny-grizzly. Wonderful song composed and sung by SD Burman.
Piya maine kya kiya/ Piya tune kya kiya re is an excellent pair with deep philosophy. In the first one, which is an atmospheric song conveying the man’s feelings, there is a lament that his beloved is leaving, but is somewhat short of full remorse that he too may have been responsible. In the second song when SDB converges the two sides in the last line, there is a self-realisation that it may not be entirely the other party’s fault. A poet, I think Nida Fazli, said it beautifully:
बेवफ़ा तो न वो थे न हम
बस हुआ यूँ कि हम जुदा हो गए
At a deeper level this can mean unity between the lover and the beloved. Could we stretch it to mean the unity between the self and the soul?
Mr Joseph @398,
Tu Hindu banega na Musalman banega can be stretched to mean internal contra.
@400,
In the first song the lovers declare that they have taken their first steps in the world of love, but they are not going to be separated. In the second song the lover had handed over his heart to the lady for safekeeping, but she has burnt it. Probably she had carelessly kept it near the gas burner. The lady is writhing in guilt, but that cannot mitigate the pain of the lover. In the first song there is no such handing over-taking over of any object. I would not treat it as contra pair. Every film has happy songs when things were hunky-dory, and sad songs when there are misunderstandings, betrayal or exogenous obstacles.
AKji
I am adding two songs of clear contrast.
Chalejaa chaleja jahan pyar mile – Sumant Kalyanpur, Jahan Pyar Mile, 1969
https://youtu.be/t-qSQU9nJVg?t=32
Chale janana nahi – Lata Mangeshkar, Badi Behan, 1949
https://youtu.be/junXT9auZrg?t=47
There is scope for the same song getting paired with different songs …
‘ Chale jaana nahin…’ / 1949 / BADI BEHAN / Husnlal Bhagatram / Lata
https://youtu.be/junXT9auZrg
and a possible contra
‘ Tera jaana dil…’ / 1959 / ANARI / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/URfoTtyxOdU
Mr Rangan @403,
This pair is spot on. In one case the lady is asking the man to go, in the other she is demanding of him not to go.
Mr Joseph @304,
It is an interesting pair. On the surface it may appear as contra songs. But soon we realise that Tera jana dil ke armaanon ka lut jana talks of heartbreak due to the parting, and the entire song proceeds in the same vein:
Tera gham teri khushi, mera gham meri khushi
Tujhse hi thi zindagi
Jab jab chanda aayega, teri yaad dilayega..
Therefore, the two songs seem to be saying the same thing. Chale ja chale ja chale ja jahan pyar mile is exact opposite of Chale jana nahin. Thanks a lot for forcing us to think below the upper layer.
For too long I am vexed with the following issue
In chehera hai ya chaand khila hai there is this line
Is duniya mein koi nahi ho
Hum dono hi akele ho
& Before that
In ek tera saath humko do bjahan se
There is a line
Hum akele hai shenaiya chup hai
The issue is can two people together count as akele ?
Or is this a contradiction ?
Or are they considering themselves a single entity?
Issue is open for debate ( la Arnab)
Canasya ji @ 399 AK ji @400
This song should alsi belong to the category of zindagi ye zindagi
Do rang duniya ke – Do raaste – Mukesh – AB – LP
https://youtu.be/8KQKIKePHi8
Mr Muli @406,
Two people considering themselves a single entity would be a trivial solution to your question. You are obviously not looking for this. You must have in mind something very deep. Not given to intellectual contemplation, I should not attempt to answer your question. But let me dare to say something which you can throw out of the window. There is a very common expression, ‘भीड़ के बीच अकेला’. Usually everyone in the crowd is a stranger to each other, so everyone is भीड़ के बीच अकेला. Since we do not find anything odd in this, why only two persons, a large gathering could also be a loner. ‘Is duniya mein koi nahin ho‘ is a contradiction in terms. The world comprises seven billion people, how can they all vanish? ‘भीड़ के बीच अकेला’ resolves the apparent contradiction.
Think of a sentence – I am talking of pre-Corona days – ‘No one goes to restaurants these days, they are so crowded.’
@407,
Do rang duniya ke is a nice companion song to Zindagi ae zindagi, except that SDB’s singing belongs to another plane.
AK @ 375
“I sense some irritation in your tone at the end . ‘Doubt’ is never an outright rejection, this is a seeker who is seeking more clarification. Please do explain
Your saw it right, what you sensed was self -disgust.
I am seeker myself asking for clarification all the time.
I am total believer of “ do unto others” how can I get irritated if I have to give clarification?
I was mad because it took me very long to translate the lyrics.
It is easy for me when it is Q & A session. Explaining in monologue is not my forte plus my impatience make it worse for me.
It was all my frustration that trickled into my comment. I apologize for that.
AK @ 375
You have always explained subtleties of lyrics and we have all gained by that.”
Mr. Muli @ 377
Indeed it is still not very clear to me but the position is better than what it was before your explanation.
Can the two of you be more elaborate in what you have understood and what not.
AK
Imatience in राह तकना
Aj huna aaye baalma Saawan beeta jaye.
https://youtu.be/WnEQIxNYPV4
Patience in राह तकना
Hum intezar karenge tera kayamat tak
https://youtu.be/XTLgnr00pHs
Mumbaikar8 @409,
Your last sentence smacks of a tough schoolteacher who has no patience with her dull students. But let me try to explain what I understood. I think we are talking about Nain deewane.
The lady has lost her heart to someone. Her inebriated eyes are not amenable to any sane advice. The crazy eyes are behaving wayward as the lady has lost her soul to someone. Her life is on a swing, flowers have blossomed, her heart is singing like a nightingale. Time flows endlessly like a beautiful stream, and in her reverie she does not care what will happen tomorrow.
I may be completely off, but couldn’t see contra. Now can you please end the suspense and elaborate your translation and meaning?
@410,
Patience/Impatience in ‘Raah takna is a wonderful pair.
Akji,
The first post to cross the four hundred mark. Congratulations everybody. Sorry I am late.
Thank you AKji for presenting this article. And everybody will agree that only in SoY one will find such articles.
A special word of thanks to Josephji, Rahulji, Mumbakarji and Hansji.
Keep the ball rolling.
Venkataramanji,
Thanks a lot. It is not only the numbers, the comments expanded our horizon. Thanks to some very involved readers we got to go deep into intricate layers of many lyrics. I mentioned earlier that we have all become richer with this. This is one post I could not have imagined that it would open so many windows.
While at this, you must have seen some unresolved tension on Nain deewane (@368, 369, 370, 373, 374, 375, 409, 411). You are an authority on this. A time comes when the Master has to step in to settle the dispute. I would accept your ruling without demur.
AK ji
As you have said the quality of analysis, points & counter points has elevated the theme to another level.
You have mentioned windows & this came to my mind
1 rang mahal ke dus darwaaje na jane kaunsi khidki khuli thi – SSS – Vitthalbhai Patel – LP
https://youtu.be/Us-iob1COj8
2 Na khidki na zharoka
Milte hi magar mauka – – – -banke hawa ka zhounka mai nikal jaaunga – Sharif
Badmash – AB – RDB
https://youtu.be/ypGdIxz-HrA
O
Mr Muli,
Now ‘khidki‘ itself opens many windows. The closed window troubles Vinod Khanna no end in ‘Main Tulsi Tere Aangan Ki’:
Meri dushman hai ye meri uljhan hai ye
Bada tadpaati hai, dil ko tarsaati hai
Ye khidki khidki jo band rahtai hai
In ‘Padosan‘ the two adjacent khidkis create immense fun. Here the khidkis are open:
Mere saamnewali khidki mein ek chaand ka tukda rahta hai
In ‘Rear Window‘ the wheelchair-bound James Stewart has nothing better to do than gaze through his window at the courtyard and other apartments. And as we can expect from Hitchcock, the voyeur becomes an unwitting witness to some twisted crimes and a great help to the police in solving it.
Vinod Kumar Shukla’s one of the most acclaimed works is his novel ‘Deewar Mein Ek Khidki Rahti Thi‘. A blurb from its English translation on Amazon says about the book: “The adults who play their games must enter many worlds – the one that prevails and the ones that are possible. They mumble and ask questions, but time and again they realize that a single glance won’t take in the whole sky. In ‘The Windows in Our House Are Little Doors‘, Vinod Kumar Shukla unrolls dreamy wisdom and brocade-like moments that catch the light and dazzle“. This takes us to a dream world which we are separately enjoying on Ashwin’s post.
AK ji,
Brian Lara of SOY.
416 , still at the crease!
Absolutely amazing!
Congratulations.
Sorry for my miniscule, negligible, ‘blink your eyes and you miss them’ contributions! I know I fall short in the intelligence department, finding contrasting themes. Still, following religiously, enjoying thoroughlly.
AKji@ 413, 415
Your discourse on Khidki @415, brings in a whiff of fresh air. But as the saying goes if you keep the windows open to let the fresh air come in, few insects/mosquitoes too may enter. And I do not want to be the mosquito in this case.
I feel, it is better to leave certain things unresolved.
Moreover it will not be prudent to comment when Rathis and Maharathis are discussing and I am a small fry.
And the final say is with you, since you are the grand master.
Venkataramanji
If you are a small fry them what about people like us – micro-fries?
Any way let the window be slightly more open ( SOY has an inbuilt net which repeals the mosquitos & insects)
1 Sham dhale khidki tale – Albela-Rajinder Krishan –
C Ramchandra
https://youtu.be/DO4M25EjDCM
I saw Albela during its revival . At Aurangabad it must have been in 77-78 & witnessed people hurling coins at the screen.
Here Geeta is being demur & advises him to stop aana jana in her gully.
2 Kahi ho na mohalle me halla – Chowki no 11 – VK Sobety – Sonik Omi
https://youtu.be/M7sLVcv4LZA
I had seen this also around the same time remember the movie only for the rustic voice of Shobha Gurtu . But at that time I did not like it at all.
But here the lady encourages her lover to come through a khidki curtains of which are open.
Dr Shetty @416,
Thanks a lot for you greetings. You are one of the most active contributors on all the posts. I hope you are able to crack how to post YT links of songs in your comments.
Venkataramanji @417, Mr Muli @418,
I just saw some new vistas from the window, and also imagined of many possibilities and anticipations for someone standing outside a window, open or closed. After the Masters have entered (your disclaimer borne out of modesty is not accepted), I have to withdraw. But my poser was for Nain deewane. If you are not willing to enter into the fray for strategic reasons, I will wait for the final verdict of our stern teacher with her baton.
AK ji
If small & micro fries
Dare to enter the fray
There is Every possibility
that They’ll end getting
Served in a tray.
We have endless number of songs in which the heroine is eleveated to the status of Chaand . Occasionally the hero is fortunate to get that label ( Tum gagan ke Chandrama ho ) . But With a swift stroke of his pen Hasarat quashes all the moonrakers from chaudavi ka chaand ho to ye chaand sa Roshan chehera when he writes
Tujhe main chaand kehata tha magar usme bhi daag hai
1 Ye chaand sa Roshan
https://youtu.be/4mZE_wJ6mmg
2 Ye mera prempatra padhkar
https://youtu.be/PuaFmVz3dr8
AK @411
“Your last sentence smacks of a tough schoolteacher who has no patience with her dull students.”
It is the impatience of the anxious student waiting for the schoolteacher for the report card to know how badly she has flunked.
This student was always in awe of teachers and nurses knowing very well what she could never do.
Now to the business
You understood
“The lady has lost her heart to someone. Her inebriated eyes are not amenable to any sane advice. The crazy eyes are behaving wayward as the lady has lost her soul to someone. ( very nicely framed)
My version
I feel the lady is distancing herself from her nain and her mann ( like in sach hue sapne tere)
Yes she has she lost her heart.
Initially she blames he “naina for losing her heart.
Later the blame moves on to the “mann. (contradicting self)
Your interpretation.
“Her life is on a swing, flowers have blossomed, her heart is singing like a nightingale. Time flows endlessly like a beautiful stream, and in her reverie she does not care what will happen tomorrow.”
( I did not cover this in comment@ 373)
I think.
I am on the same page until “beautiful stream” but I do not think she does not care.
“ mann kya jaane kya hoga kal
Dhaar samayy ki bahti Chanchal
Jeevan Jeevan Chanchal din jaake phir aane na
You think she does not care I think she is fearful “this will pass away” the fear perhaps is the reason of initial denial of losing the heart.
AK @ 419
“If you are not willing to enter into the fray for strategic reasons, I will wait for the final verdict of our stern teacher with her baton.”
I have my points on the table, Venkataramanji and Mr Muli are not entering. Final verdict will be of the Maharathi.
AK ji,
Aap ne khidki bola,
Mere deemag ke darwaza/ tala khola!
* I know you are thinking band akal ka tala!☺
Mere dushman hai ye
Mere uljhan hai ye
Bada tadpati hai..
…
Ye khidki jo band rahti hai…
MAIN TULSI TERE AANGAN KI
Obviously, it is not the khidki, par se , his uljhan, but not being able to have a glimpse of his beloved.
Contra would be..
Ghar se nikalte hi
Kuchh door chalte hi
….
Baal banaati woh khidki mein
Aayee Nazar.
PAPA KEHTE HAIN.
Beloved seen through the khidki.
Mumbaikar8 @422,
Thanks a lot for your detailed exposition. It can’t be done better. You are decoupling all the three – the lady, her eyes and her heart (मन). I, at one point, thought in terms of decoupling the eyes, because on the surface they were wayward, not listening to anything and generally on their own trip, oblivious of what the lady and her heart were going through. I find it difficult to decouple the lady’s heart from herself. Then I thought the whole thing has been brought upon by the eyes to start with, and the lady is now in deep love, with the birds, flowers, streams adding to the beauty. There is restlessness of having lost her heart to someone and apprehension what would happen tomorrow. This song is perhaps not an exact translation of its original Se din dujone, but it is quintessential Rabindrasangeet. Hats off to Pt. Narendra Sharma.
I am afraid any further dissection will hamper our enjoyment of the poetry. Yet, I would like the Maharathi to come in; we know there is only one, and lest he pretends deniability, the one who lives in Kolkata.
Mr Muli @420,
Nice limerick, but if you leave the field lesser mortals like me would start blabbering on subtle songs like Nain deewane.
Dr Shetty @423,
Nice contra pair. If we treat darwaza/kiwadiya/window as one, Zara man ki kiwadiya khol, sainya tere dware khade fits nicely here.
Darwaza/ kiwad
When Manmohan Krishna also used to sing
Zhat khol de kiwad pat khol de – Afsar – v Adil – SDB
https://youtu.be/TE5oqYi1RNQ
And you have to close the door ” darr ” ke mare
Darwaza band Kar lo – Darr – AB – Shiv hari
https://youtu.be/Et1-lgnDzgk
AK @ 424
I would request Maharathi to clear the doubt.
To my mind the lyrics Se din dujuno and nain diwane are completely different. Se din dujone is all about nostalgia, naina diwane is not.
AK,
No explanation needed for this obvious contrast
Leja leja leja mere dil An evening in Paris
https://youtu.be/-ySmtzDUZp8
Dill eke na jana o mera dill eke na jana Goonj
https://youtu.be/brpSqelC43U
AK @ 408
भीड़ के बीच अकेला
I would consider Ravish Kumar as भीड़ के बीच अकेला in TV journalism.
Would you agree there?
Mr Muli @426,
Darawaza khol do/band kar do is a nice companion to Khidki khol do/band ke do. The door is a more public entrance. Window mostly involves entry by stealth or complicity from inside, therefore, it has more romantic possibilities. Can we stretch it to Khul jaye band akal ka tala?
Mumbaikar8 @427,
I hope the Maharathi reads it, but let us not give him any cover. Please also address it directly to him.
@428,
Dil le ja le ja/ Dil leke na jana are perfect contrasting songs.
I agree with you that Ravish Kumar is भीड़ के बीच अकेला, but I sense a laudatory tone in your voice which I am afraid I do not share. He does not scream like Arnab Goswami, but he is the other side of the coin. There are journalists in classic mould – Prannay Roy (who unfortunately seems to be out of circulation); Shekhar Gupta I would strongly recommend. I think he has left TV, but he is very active on YT, you should watch his videos, which is titled “Cut the clutter”.
AK ji @429, Mumbaikarji @ 428
Nikhil Wagle in Marathi is also bheed ke beech Akela in Marathi media ( now disowned by almost all the channels) plus he can give Arnab run for his money when it comes to raising the decible level .
AKJi @429
You have opened another window er– tala
1 bada hi CID hai – Chandan – Rajinder Krishan – MM
2 kabhi khole na tijori ka tala
– Bidaai – AB- LP
As Kaka had said in Souten sasura bhi to uparwale ka rup hai.
Only thing vis that in the second he is absolutely unwilling to open the lock while in the first he may consider the same in case of fortunate few
Major decision … think well .
‘ Itni badi mehfil …’/ 1960 / DAAPP / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/JCX-8T5KIBY
( Some Harry Belafonte ? )
a clear answer… a possible contra…
‘ Dil usse do …’/ 1971 / ANDAZ / SJ / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/0EXkyz95udU
Correction….Singer in DAAPP song should read
Asha.
S Joseph ji;
Nice posting of songs @433….my favorites .
Here is a pair of contrasting songs filmed on Shammi Kapoor And second one on Rajkapoor…..
Dil Deke Dekho – Dil Deke Dekho…Rafi…Usha Khanna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOEyFKcWNec
mera dil mujhe vapas kar do..Rafi_Shakeel B_Ghulam Mohammad_Amber1952.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RD0vBKqZaI
AKji
A pair of contra songs on the subject of “dil”
Dil lagakar hum eh samjha – Asha Bhonsle – C Ramchandra/Shakeel Badauni from film Zindagi aur Maut 1965
https://youtu.be/1yZeDdCUoH4?t=17
Rasik balma dil kyo lagaye – Lata Mangeshkar – Shankar Jaikishan
Chori Chori 1956
https://youtu.be/QF1lNr-LniI
AKji:
I am enjoying this highly entertaining race between this post and the one by Ashwin ji on ‘Fanciful ideas … ‘. Currently the score stands at 436 vs 438. So let me try to level the field a bit with a song with internal contrast:
‘Humne jafa na seekhi, unko wafa na aayi’ (Rafi in Zindagi; MD: SJ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0gQgfXBIY8
To compare the two posts or to say that ‘ … the score stands at 436 vs 438 …’ is to compare two posts that involve different levels of efforts and time . My view is that one comment here may equal ten comments elsewhere.
Wafa – another internal contrast
Hum bewafa hargiz na the
Par ham wafa kar na sake
https://youtu.be/uf9oSzZdJWI
(?) Shalimar – AB – RDB
One may ask
Kehena kya chahte ho ?
A contra on pyar where gazal is pitted against HFS
1 pyar manga hai tumhise – College girl – shivkumar saroj – Bappi Lahiri
https://youtu.be/TlyDLz1Lqhw
2 Yaaro kisi katil se kabhi pyar na mango – Quateel Shifai – Mehendi Hasan
https://youtu.be/1mHJOMJfraQ
Canasyaji @ 437,
I had no idea of the race till I got my laptop back this morning and got to see the comments on the sidebar of the homepage :). So let me give a point away to the competition by adding this comment – hopefully #439 – by drawing inspiration from Comment # 254 (by Hindi Chitrapat Gaanakosh Dr.Shetty) on my post and which I responded to just a few minutes ago in Comment # 441 (how close!). Here are the 2 songs:
1. ‘Tumhe ho na ho’ by Runa Laila (MD – Jaidev, Lyricist – Naqsh Lyallpuri), from Gharaonda (1977)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZXSBVWQ8wo
2. ‘Humein tumse pyaar kitna’ by Parween Sultana (MD – RD Burman, Lyricist – Majrooh Sultanpuri), from Kudrat (1981)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYyvN1xQvMw
There is a double-contra in this pair. In the first song, the heroine says that she does not love the hero and that she knows it. In the 2nd song, the singer says that she loves her lover (the hero? I do not know the plot for I have not seen the movie) but that she does not know to what extent!
Another one with Gazal – HFS
Combo
1 Tu kya jane bewafa
Pyar karna tere bas ki baat nahi
Kisi pe marna tere bas ki baat nah
Haath ki safai-gulshan bawra- KA
https://youtu.be/4852SdnESN0
The prelude of the song was quite a rage during those days .
2 zindagi mein to sabhi pyar kiya karte hai
Main to mar kar bhi meri jaan tujhe chahunga
Kateel Shifai- Mehedi Hasan
https://youtu.be/Ag8JpA02WjY
King at his best.
Interestingly the composition is credited to Nashad for the film Azmat . Obviously film version would be different .
AK ji I had earlier posted
1 pyar manga hai tumhi se
V/S
2 Yaaro kisi katil se kabhi pyar na maango
But it is not being reflected .
Ashwin ji,
Humein tumse pyar kitna … is , a straight expression of love .
Koi jo daare tum pe nayanwa
Dekha na jaaye mose sajanwa
Jale mora manwa..
( Tumhe koi aur dekhe
Toh jalta hai dil…In Kishore’s version.)
Tumhe ho na ho… is made to look like she isn’t in love with him. But, she is!
Listen to how Runa Laila is made to sing cutely…
Mujhe pyar tumse nahin hai nahin HAI.
That’s the speciality of the song.
Ke kyon pyari lagti hai vaade tumhare
Main kyon tumse milne ka doondoo bahana
Kabhi maine chaha tumhe choo ke dekhoon
Kabhi maine chaha tumhe paas laana..
Someone not in love will not do this, Sir !
So, I feel this pair does not fit in.
Let AK ji, TWBM, decide.
Btw, the song, very dear to me reminds me , always, another favorite ,
Na jaane kyon hota hai..
Almost similar feelings.
KUDRAT was a hotchpotch of Reincarnation, love triangle / quadrangle, curse etc.
Praveen Sultana won the FF best female playback singer award.
Majrooh wrote the lyrics of all the songs except the title song
Dukh sukh ki har maala
Kudrat hi phiroti hai..
By Qateel Shifai. Must be his only one with RDB.
HCGk .. there are many others more deserving of the title. फिर भी, सुनने में अच्छा लगता है। धन्यवाद।
Mr Muli @431,
I googled about Nikhil Wagle. I have admiration for him. He has been fighting the Tiger in its den. Arnab has chosen a very soft target for his screaming.
@432,
Mere dimaag ka tala nahin khul raha hai 🙂 .
@439,
Nice one. I thought of Mughal-e-Azam. When Akbar commands Anarkali to declare that she never loved Salim, she replies, “Jo zaban pyar ka ikraar na kar saki wo inkaar kaise karegi“. Good point. The whole world knows that she loved Salim passionately, but if she could not proclaim it openly, how could she deny it? What was her official status in Facebook lingo: single, just friends, dating him, or in relationship? Hum bewafa could be this ambiguous status.
@440,
Nice contra pair.
@442,
Nice pair. Here is the film version of Zindagi mein sab pyar kiya karte hain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dcIvP8_sRk
One obvious difference is that the film song fits in about 3 minutes, while his non-film performance is more relaxed going over 10 minutes. That is true of every famous ghazal which is used in a film situation. But terrific song. Thanks for posting it.
@443,
I can’t make out why WP put it in spam folder, there was no error in the name or the mail id. Now it is up at its place according to its time at posting @440. Again a nice pair of contra.
Mr Joseph @433,
Perfect pair of contra songs.
KS Bhatiaji @435,
What a beautiful pair of songs! heard Mera dil mujhe wapas kar do for the first time. I like Raj Kapoor’s tone in firmly demanding his ‘heart’ back. He must be aware of the pitfalls of being wishy-washy in the matters of giving some valuable thing to a third person for safekeeping. In Dil tujhe diya that rakhane ko, tune dil ko jalakar rakh diya the hero must have been complacent, and when he went to ask it back, he found that the heroine had burnt it due to gross negligence.
Canasya @437,
Nice song of internal contra. But there is no question of race, Ashwin’s post is scholarly and on a higher plane. We are lucky to have him with us.
Mr Joseph @438, Ashwin @441,
There can never be a race between two different posts. I am happy that my post has triggered many ideas for exploration. But Ashwin’s post is on a different footing.
Ashwin, only you could discover a pair with double contra. Thanks a lot for your explanation.
AKji @ 448:
Both you and Ashwin ji are too modest. But in the end, we are the beneficiaries.
Internal contradictions seem to form a genre by themselves. Lyricists have used this as a dialectic device to add variation and substance to an otherwise thoroughly beaten ‘je t’aime, tu m’aime’ theme in HFM. Rahul Muli ji @ 313 had mentioned ‘Tum hamein pyar karo ya na karo’ from Kaise Kahoon. Here is another one in the same vein:
‘Tu pyar kare ya thukraye, hum to hain tere deewanon mein’ (Lata in Dekh Kabira Roya; MD: MM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDOkpo05NqQ
AK, @430
“ He does not scream like Arnab Goswami, but he is the other side of the coin.”
Arnab does many deadly things bedsides screaming.
Prannay Roy is seen doing some funds raiser or some exclusive shows. He may not be as regular but Ravish is in circular because of Mr. Roy, Ravish knows it well, once he is out of NDTV there is no place for him, like the other bheed ke beech akeli Barkha Dutt.
Look for your own space, finally she found one for herself.
I admire Ravish for one thing he advocates “ askinf questions” and shows a spine by doing it himself.
Shekhar Gupta’s show on YT “cut the clutter” I watch sometimes, I feel it does everything but “cut the clutter” perhaps my impatience is working there
At times I feel about Shekhar Gupta is “जिन बातों को खुद नहीं समझे औरो को समझाया है”
Mr. Muli @ 431
I agree Nikhil Wagle is bheed ke beech akela in Marathi media. I follow him on social media.
Mr. Muli @439
That’s Anand Bakshi.
I have given reason to Hans to get mad at me. (once again)
Dr. Shetty @ 444
You are known for giving detailed information.
Here about the title song of Kudrat missed to mention that the back ground title track was in two version perhaps only of its kind.
AK,
D N Madhok’s answer to Sahir’s Talkhi
Jeene ka dhang sikhaye ka
https://youtu.be/y_QhRWtwnTk
Tang aa chuke hai
https://youtu.be/_wGlInTcjW4
AK @ 448 and Canasyaji @ 449,
I was referring to the race only in a light-hearted way @441. Also, I am very grateful that both of you think highly of me. That said, I definitely don’t think my article was scholarly – light-hearted in the first half – yes, serious in the second half – yes, but not scholarly. Come to think of it, it had a split personality! Which makes me offer, without any analysis or thought, the following song as a contra song at least from its context:
‘Raat aur din diya jale’ by Lata Mangeshkar (MD -Shankar Jaikishan, Lyricist – Hasrat Jaipuri ), from ‘Raat aur Din’ (1967)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9sYzV8QTbM
Dr Shetty @444,
There are many songs in which the lady on the surface pretends she is not in love, but you can make out she is deeply in love. We can put all such songs as internal contra. And there can be perfect contra in two views – one holding there is no contra, and another saying there is contra. Now my head has started reeling. 🙂
Canasya @449,
Tum humein pyar karo ya na karo has a perfect companion is Tu pyar kare ya thukraye hum to hain tere deewanon mein. Thanks a lot for mentioning this. It would be interesting to compile a list of such songs. Would Jumma chumma de de/ Jumma chumma na de and finally both agreeing to the initial proposition, fit in this category?
Mumbaikar8 @450,
It is clear our views do not match 100% in certain things. But I am happy that we are friends.
@453,
Sahir might have his personal talkhiyan, but for film songs he had horses for courses. He also wrote, Main zindagi ka saath nibhata chala gaya.
Ashwin @454,
Here is a perfect split-personality song:
Main aisa kyon hun, Main jaisa hun waisa kyon hun by Shan from Lakshya, lyrics Javed Akhtar, music Shankar-Ehsan-Loy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWn4Csu3Kc8
AK @455 Dr. Shetty @444
With reeling head can you decide, has Anand Bakshi’s attempt to make a contra song to Mujhe pyar tumse nahin hai worked?
Tumko mujse pyar hai?
https://youtu.be/78JhA_TJvBI
AK @ 455,
I propose that all internal contra songs be termed as ‘intra-contra’ songs. The coining of new terminology for such songs that have internal contradictions does not contravene any rules, nor is it contrary to SoY traditions; also, the ‘in’ in ‘intra’ provides a nice contrast to the ‘on’ of ‘contra. Last but not least, the contrapositioning of ‘intra’ and ‘contra’ provides a nice contrast.
If Shahrukh Khan’s character in ‘Swades’ were to read this post and my comment @ 460, and if he were to temporarily forget how to pronounce English words correctly, would he sing ‘Yeh tara, woh tara kaun tara’?
Let me make it very clear. I don’t mean to contravene, nor am I looking for a controversy. Contrary to the prevailing perceptions, a doctor need not always be thinking about contraception/ contraceptives, or, particularly in my speciality, contracture. I firmly contradict those opinions. Music is no contra indication for a doctor, on contract or self employed.
My contribution here is zilch, you say? No contrasting view from my side,as well. Contradistinction being the theme, I am not in control ! Neither do I want to contrive just for the heck of it !
Prolific ‘ dreamer’ there, but, invisible here! Contrition for this fact.
Are there any contraltos or contrapuntists among our musicians ?
No, I don’t do contraband stuff. My raving and ranting may make A K ji, TWBM, the controller, to believe so. Today, with a reeling head, he has retired to the control tower. Just imagining the admonition I am about to get, my cardiac contractions are on a super speed mode ! Before all the members connive and converge with the sole intention of conducting a Reformation course for me, I shall conclude this conundrum. Congratulations, folks. You have won ! Promise I will conduct myself well and respect all the conditions of the group.
Confluence
I was in a quandary whether to post this pair here or in dream songs. A real ghoda -chatur moment.Like a queuing model does normally I have gone for FCFS .
1 kaun aya mere man ke dware – Dekh kabira Roya – Rajinder Krishan – MM
https://youtu.be/Vd2FnIFkiBw
There is an unusual feature ( if not outright contra) where Anup Kumar gets such a serious song on screen.
Pagal manawa soch me duba sapno ka sansar liye
2 Koi nahi hai kahi hai kahi – Kinara -Gulzar – RDB
https://youtu.be/lqEUqLGkhng
There is unusual feature of this film ; Bhupinder getting 4 numbers , 2 solos & 2 duets ( I can recall only one other film where he had 4 songs)
Gulzar’s love with sapna & khwab & then sapna again continues ( so now there are 3 such songs posted in these 2 posts)
Sapno mein ku kho gayi ?
Baat thi khwab ki
khwab me bit chuki
Note also the contrast
He is waiting & she comes with Payal ki Zankar in dekh Kabira
While in kinara she is waiting with Payal on & has to be told that the wait is futile.
Mumbaikar8 @459,
Contra or a complementary song? Both songs seem to be intra-contra (an apt term suggested by Ashwin @460). Both have in-built ‘Nahin nahin/Na na‘ which gives way to ‘yes, yes’.
Ashwin @460,
Agree entirely with you. I think at some point of time I did use intra, I should have stuck with intra-contra. Besides all the reasons you have stated, it is also etymologically correct.
@461,
Since he decided to become a swadeshi from being a NASA scientist, it is quite likely he would have started pronouncing ‘kaun tara’. I would not be surprised if this led to ‘katra katra’, because he often displayed his Urdu too, which he might have studied in school before he migrated to the US.
Even when we cross say 40 comments I have unknowingly repeated songs posted by others . Now I am fearing if I have started repeating my own comments as we are nearing 500 comments . This could happen and now I feel the need even more for some inbuilt mechanism to check this .
This may fit in as a song with intra contra as for every fear raised there is an answer…
‘ Chura le na … ‘ / 1963 / DIL HI TO HAI / Roshan / Suman , Mukesh
https://youtu.be/DY2QawvQI5Y
Dr Shetty @462,
I completely concur with your contradiction of conventional compartmentalisation of clinicians. But have mercy on us. In these testing times we all look up to doctors not only for dawa but also dua. Please dream wherever you fancy. We have no intentions of disputing a doctor, but please don’t leave the field for conjurers coming up with claims to cure from cardiac conditions to cancer to, now, Corona.
Dr.Shetty @ 444,
I suspect that you do agree with me that the Runa Laila character is not in love with the Amol Palekar character in ‘Gharaonda’ and that the only reason that you are taking a contrarian stance is because you want to have a minor disagreement with me so that this will give you a chance to use the word ‘contretemps’, which means ‘minor disagreement’ and which is derived from French, the language that you are currently trying to master . I know this is a convoluted argument but do let me know if you concur with me.
AKji
What about answering my query @436.
Mr Muli @463,
You mentioned the unusual thing about Anup Kumar singing a serious song. The next song you posted from Kinara has the same unusual thing many times multiplied – Jeetendra singing a classical raga=based song with aalap etc. He started with mimicking ‘Yahoo’ in ‘Mast baharon ka main ashiq’, and I cannot get over his that image.
Gulzar has something about ‘khwab/sapna’. He paid his tribute to Mehdi Hassan on his death with:
Aankhon ko visa nahin lagta
Sapnon ki sarhad hoti nahin
Band aankhon se roz main sarhad paar chala jata hoon
Milne Mehdi Hassan se!
Mr Rangan @436, 469,
Sorry, I missed your @436 in the flurry of posts on ‘dil’. This pair fits like a T.
Mr Joseph @466,
The term we have started using is intra-contra, thanks to Ashwin, which is technically a more correct word. Chura le na tumko ye mausam suhana is a beautiful song. One can say it has intra-contra, Raj Kapoor forbidding Nutan from venturing alone in those beautiful surroundings; but she finds these irresistible, and is confident that she can handle any situation herself.
Contrast for foodies
Many people must have tried their hands at different dishes ( I also did but only for tasting them ) during lockdown
During 72 in the absence of You tube & other sources , hero was forced to rely on shudh desi bharta & other things
Aloo ki bhaji , baigan ka bharata – Wafa – Rajinder Krishan – LP
Foolka hai , kheer hai but surprisingly Bollywood’s perennial favourites gajar ka halwa, sarso ka saag & muli ka paratha are not mentioned .
https://youtu.be/NlQVDNOz7vQ
Next year same pair of lyricist & composer came together to deliver a more realistic version ( especially for extended lockdown )
Ye samjho aur samajhao
Thode me mauj manao
Dal roti khao Prabhu ke gun gao
jawar bhata
https://youtu.be/uL3HYjmOXsI
AKJi, Mumbaikarji, Rahulji,
A few songs on Sawal-Jawab,
Sonu Nigam sings
Mera Dard Tum Na Samajh Sake
Mujhe Sakht Iska Malala hai
Jara Phir Samajhkar Jawab Do
Meri Jindagi Ka Sawal Hai
Bewafa Sanam (1995),
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_lVKY8Wd98
Kumar Sanu, Alka Yagnik both are of the same opinion in this song,
Har Sawal ka jawab nahi mil Sakta
Rang 1993, Sameer, Nadeem-Shravan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCmMl7k9Y-I
Meena Kumari is worried,
Duniya Kare Sawal To Hum Kya Jawab Den, Lata Mangeshkar, Bahu Begum (1967), Sahir Ludhianvi, Roshan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1pA7OYbp0
But Rajendra Kumar has a different view
Ek sawal mai karu ek sawal tum karo
Har sawal ka sawal hi jawab ho
Mohammed Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar, Sasural (1961), Shailendra, Shankar Jaikishan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z-EUuIjRGQ
AKji,
Do you have an answer to this Sawaal?
Tujhe kyaa sunaau ai dilarubaa
Tere saamane meraa haal hai
Teri ik nigaah ki baat hai
Meri zindagi kaa saWaal hai
Tujhe kyaa sunaau ai dilarubaa
Md.Rafi, Akhri Dao (1958), Majrooh, Madan Mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgpnCC1oCIo
Venkataramanji @474,
Nice sawal-jawab songs.
@475,
Some sawals are laajawab, but I can answer this one. No credit to me. Because, Dilip Kumar had already answered this in the voice of Mukesh:
‘Tu kahe agar
Tu kahe agar jeevan bhar main geet sunata jaaun, manbeen bajata jaaun’
He is clear he wants to sing ‘geet’, and not ‘ghazal’, ‘dadra’, or ‘thumri’. And he wants to play the been, not violin or sitar.
Kishore Kumar on the other hand wants to sing dadra and in barah matra. Dilip Kumar was absolutely courteous, he would sing only if the lady asks him to. Kishore Kumar, too, offers the lady to check out the samples:
‘Paanch rupaiya barah ana
……………
Geet suna sakta hoon dadra
Ginkar poore baara maatra
Chaahe namoona dekh lo haaye
Dheere se jana bagiyan mein
Dheere se jana bagiyan mein re
Bhanwra dheere se jana bagiyan mein
Hoye lalla dheeng lalla
Hoye lalla haaye‘
Venkataraman ji @475
AK ji @ 476
Talat would give same answer as given by mukesh
Dhoond laya hoon wohi geet main tere liye
While Mahendra Kapoor’s reply would not be much too different
Main yuhi mast nagme sunata rahoo
Asha would give you a choice
Geet sunoge hujoor ya main gazal gaau
Lataji will not be able to decide
Main kaunsa geet sunau kya gau
But the best answer can be drawn, Venkataramanji, from Hemantayan
Sun ja dil ki daastan
Another sawal – jawab song
‘ Chori Chori jo …’ / 1963 / PARASMANI / LP / Mukesh , Lata
https://youtu.be/jxMK2nTMeQw
AK @457 A
Now I see some irritation in your evaluation.
I would not agree here. There cannot be 100% match or mismatch.
B Sahir’s talkhi I was talking only in context of the contra songs I presented.
Franlkly I myself,do not agree with that philosophy of “Jeene ka dhang sikhaye ja kanton ki nok par khada muskuraye ja”
कांटे फूलों के रक्षक होते है भक्षक नहीं.
Talking about Sahir’s range.
In Mujhe jeene do mother’s apprehension that her son will have face the Kadi dhoop and much more
Tere bachpan ko dua
https://youtu.be/4VuXq5lSEJM
In Trishul she is preparing him to face that Kadi dhoop for a cause.
Tumere saath rahenga
https://youtu.be/TpXJ2iKKOGE
NV @ 474
My question in form of is request is pending for some time now.
Instead “ appane humen sawaal jawab ke uljan me phansa diya”
AK and Mr. Muli have answered answered your question.
Can I please get an answer to my simple question @ 427
For your convenience. Repeating the query.
Is there any similarity between the lyrics of Se din dujone and nain deewane?
AK, @ 470
“Jeetendra singing a classical raga=based song with aalap etc. He started with mimicking ‘Yahoo’ in ‘Mast baharon ka main ashiq’, and I cannot get over his that image.”
Jeetendra was a very smart man, to get over with that image he approached Gulzar to direct him in Parichay and Khusboo when Gulzar was struggling to find producers.
Shailendra’s and Gulzar’s chand
Dam bhar jo udha intruder (or) multiple roles
https://youtu.be/i0J4IE7DkuQ
Chand churake laya hoon facilitator
https://youtu.be/Qs4lWVCEb0A
Intra-contra
Sawan jo agan lagaye use kaun bujhaye
Jo baag bahar me ujade use kaun khilaye
Peete to jinda hai
Na peete to mar jaate
Amar Prem – AB
In many lists this song is generally ranked above
Kuch to log
But my personal choice is kuch to
It also has intra – contra
Humko jo taane dete hai
– – – – -aate dekha rangraliyome
In fact The film itself is full of contras.
By the way a query for Mumbaikarji
Just like Mithun was called as Poor man’s Amitabh , can we call AB as common man’s
– – – ?
As an afterthought
Kuch tolog kahenge
Can be an answer to Joseph ji’ s sawal
Chori chori – – – – log kya kahenge
However I feei that if we continue giving jawans to sawaals ( which is a separate theme altogether) the getting out of this post will become a poseidon adventure.
AKji
Can oh re tal mile be considered as intra-contra
Anjane hotopar kun pahachane geet hai
Kal tak jo begane the janamo ke meet hai
Sawal – Jawab songs…
‘ Yeh kaun hai …’/ 1967 / AURAT / Ravi / Mahendra Kapoor , Asha
https://youtu.be/9mQDgBt0bXU
This could be an intra contra song…
‘ badi mushkil se dil ki bekaraari ko karaar aaya
… ke jis jaalim ne tadpaaya usi par mujh ko pyaar aaya …’
Someone who was dumped has found acceptance … travelled from one end to the other .
‘ Badi mushkil se …’/ 1953 / NAGHMA / Nashad / Shamshad
https://youtu.be/NYkZJ_APUsI
This could be a contra pair…
All about ‘ Aankhen ‘ .
Set out to trap someone in the eyes …
‘ …ham mund ke palko ko is dil ko sazaa de to…’
‘ Hum aapki aankhon…’/ 1957 PYASA / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/vBTcsTd2kF0
Has instead been punished for trapping someone in her eyes …
‘… meri aankho me bas gaya koi re
mohe nind na aaye main ka karu…’
‘ Meri aankhon mein …’/ 1949 / BARSAT / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/cIwjDF1MLoY
Sawal – Jawab ….
‘ Chhup Gaye saare…’/ 1969 / DO RAASTE /LP / Lata , Rafi
https://youtu.be/1lyJyjSezC8
Tum hi tum …’/ 1963 / EK DIL AUR SAU AFSANE / SJ / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/Ag2XtqWZ5jE
A possible Contra..
‘Tum bin jaoon…’/ 1969 / PYAR KA MAUSAM / RDB / Rafi
https://youtu.be/rSq0msjLPnA
A possible intra contra….
‘ PAHLE APNA HUA KARTA THHA AB KISI KA HO GAYA …’
‘ Ek haseen sham…’/ 1966 / DULHAN EK RAAT KI / MM / Rafi
https://youtu.be/H89315fEZTY
If it’re to be gymnasium this may be 9 .99
1 sona lai ja re chandi lai ja re
Dil kaise de du – – –
Mera gaon Mera desh – AB – LP
https://youtu.be/D6nrrMyRpOU
2 Na maangu sona chandi – – – deta hai dil de
Bobby – vithal bhai patel – LP
https://youtu.be/hNUhc86xbsc
Another sawal- Jawab song…
‘ Tumhari nazar kyon…’/ 1968 / DO KALIYAN / Ravi / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/W-PUZK2ng1o
Venkataramanji@475
AKji @476
Myself @477
On closer scrutiny of sawal tujhe Kya sunau Mai? We find that jawabs given by both Me & AKji are inappropriate. However I will wait for your confirmation (both or either of you)
AKji:
Ahwin ji has raced ahead with a quintuple century. So, let me try to give a leg up-another intra contra song:
‘Bhala karnewaale bhalaai kiye jaa, burai ke badle duaayen diye jaa’ (Rafi in Ghar Sansar; MD: Ravi)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-kI_7VvA2s
Mumbaikarji @480,
‘My question in form of is request is pending for some time now.’
I thought it was addressed to our Maharathi.
‘Can I please get an answer to my simple question @ 427
For your convenience. Repeating the query.
Is there any similarity between the lyrics of Se din dujone and nain deewane?’
You have already provided the answer
‘To my mind the lyrics Se din dujuno and nain diwane are completely different. Se din dujone is all about nostalgia, naina diwane is not.’
Since you have ordered me to provide an answer,
My simple answer in one word would be NO.
Now let me add a few lines about the song.
In October 1927, Rabindranth Thakur visited Siam (Thailand). The shared culture that Siam shared with India had impressed the poet, he wrote two poems ‘To Siam’ & ‘Farewell to Siam’and dedicated them to Siam.
‘Sei din dujone’ was penned by Rabindranth on 17th October 1927 while traveling by train from Bangkok to Penang.
Whether it was on the remembrance of the shared culture between the two countries or any reminiscence from his past life, we can only guess. Later in 1931 the song was included in the dance drama ‘Shapmochan, bestowing a nostalgic/ romantic element to the song.
Now it is for our humble Maharathi (he may refuse to accept it) and Rathi to take it forward, if needed.
Ak ji,
One contra song….from mother india….
Na mein bhagwan hun na mein shhitan hun ….
Beautiful philosophy.
Another swal jawab song sung by mukesh and lata ji from banarsi thug….ek baat poochta hun gar bura na mano…..filmed on manoj and vikay chowdhary.
Vijay chowdhary was the actress that emerged first as first row song lineup ….mughal e azam qawallis , then side heroin and later heroin in main leads….well for b and c grade movies mostly like dara singh movies.
A sawal – jawab song …
‘ Dil ki nazar … ‘ / 1959 / ANARI / SJ / Mukesh , Lata
https://youtu.be/t8vDu-C7u1Q
AKji @ 476, Rahulji @ 477
It seems you were waiting with the ‘Jawabs’ for the ‘Sawal’ to be posed.
Akji, what a varied approach, suiting the personalities of Dilip Kumar & Kishore Kumar.
Rahulji, and you have come with five options.
I cannot reject outright your Jawabs.
But let us look at the situation from a different angle. See the Haal/ plight of the lovers, and Nutan is thunderstuck. Her look says it all. What will be her answer when she comes back to senses?
AKji, Rahulji, Mumbaikarji,
Till we find an answer to my previous question, ‘How Nutan will respond?’
Let see how this Sawaal Jawab works out.
Haal Kya Hai Janab ka, Kya Khayal Hai Aap Ka, Kishore, Asha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFPDaDoruTY
Can this be the counter song?
Haal Kya Hai Dilon Ka Na Puchon Sanam, Kishore Kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orUPoGEwrD8
A song perhaps with intra contra
Their ages old story which is being repeated now with their love…
‘ Sadiyon purani apni…’ / 1964 / SHEHNAI / Ravi / Rafi , Asha
https://youtu.be/NBPgfMYmxb0
A song perhaps with intra contra
‘ Sukh ke sab …’ / 1970 / GOPI / Kalyanji Anandji / Rafi
https://youtu.be/WN4GQP1DwoA
Venkataramanji
Your sawal @ 475 is
Tujhe kya sunau main?
The question is addressed to let us say B. Further let A be the person posing the question. Then naturally the answer should be given by B & it should be roughly of the type tum geet sunao or gazal sunao etc
While our answers are from A’s perspective like main geet sunata jau, main mast nagme gata rahu.
This the person posing the question (A) is answering it without waiting for B’s reply.
Rahulji @ 503,
Yes, you are right; the question is ‘Tujhe kyaa sunaau ai dilarubaa’.
And Sekhar (A) is further explaining his plight/position. And Nutan (B) is awestruck or love struck.
And an answer is expected from Nutan’s angle.
That is what I have tried to say @ 500.
Will search or wait for the Jawab.
And it should be a contra.
Perhaps an intra contra song .
‘ Ik tu jo mila saaree duniya mili… ‘
‘ Ik tu jo…’ / 1965 / HIMALAY KI GODMEIN / Kalyanji Anandji / Lata
https://youtu.be/BzoY6vzqzD8
AKji
Wondering the following two songs on ‘Zindagi” are contrary.
Zindagi hai zinda – Geeta Dutt chorus, Munimji (1955), Shailendra/S D Burman
https://youtu.be/aq9A–_6Psg?t=52
Zindagi khwab hai – Mukesh, Jagte Raho (1956), Shailendra/Salil Chowdhury
https://youtu.be/soU-Sp8FL-4?t=68
Venkataramanji ,
Yes I am relieved now. But you make it complicated by inserting the contra rider.
Still I will give it a try.
Ched mere humrahi geet koi aisa – MastanA
AKji,
The following two songs where you can notice intra-songs contrasts
And the two songs can be contra songs too.
Door nahi ja sakti tujhse, Paas bhi main na aaungi
Rahungi main najro ke samne, Phir bhi najar na aaungi
lata Mangeshakr, Hisaab Khoon Ka (1989)
Bahut door mujhe chale jana hai, Bahut najdik mujhe aana hai
Teri bahon me mujhe aaj mar jana hai, Bahut dur mujhe chale jana hai
Kisi ko is jagah pe nahi aana hai, Kisi ko is jagah pe nahi aana hai
Heera Panna (1974), Lata Mangeshkar , Kishore Kumar
Learn to smile even as you cry:
‘Rote rote hasna seekho’ by Kishore Kumar (MD – Laxmikant Pyarelal, Lyricist – Anand Bakshi), from ‘Andha Kanoon’ (1983)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHb3cp5WrR8
versus
Do not cry ever:
‘Rona rona kabhi nahi rona’ by Kishore Kumar (MD – RD Burman, Lyricist – Anand Bakshi), from ‘Apna Desh’ (1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3M2svfz_WA
But the 2nd song also conveys the same message as the 1st in its antara:
‘Dukh sukh ki kya baat hai
Kya din hai kya raat hai
Aansoo bhi muskaan bane
Yeh to apna haath hai
Ashaaon ki dori mein sada
Tum man ke phool pirona’
So can we term this pair a Faux Contra?
Now let me hurry over to the Dreams post to share the first song since it has an occurrence of sapna! The 2nd song has already been cited there.
AKji,
Can this be a intra-contra song?
Chahe Raho Door Chahe Raho Pas, Sun Lo Magar Ek Baat
Ek Dor Se Bandhogi Sanam Kisi Din Hamare Sath
Chahe Raho Door Chahe Raho Pas, Sun Lo Magar Ek Baat
Tum Iss Gali Toh Mai Us Gali Ki Aau Kabhi Na Hath
Lata Mangeshkar, Kishore Kumar, DO Chor (1972), Majrooh Sultanpuri, R D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0apLCEFjHCM
A pair on Khwab and Haqeeqat;
Hazar khwab haqiqat ka rup le lenge
Magar ye shart hai tum muskura ke han keh do
Mahendra Kapoor & Asha Bhosle, Insaaf Ka Tarazu (1980), Sahir Ludhyanvi, Ravindra Jain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX6dmYGl4fA
Hazar Khwab Choor Hoke Rahgaye Khat mein, Chandreyee Bhattacharya, lyrics and composition Ashwin Srinivasan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRZlDZzolLs
Akji,
A few more on Khwaab-Haqeekat
Dev Anand questions,
Khwaab Ho Tum Yaa Koi Haqikat
Kaun Ho Tum Batalaao
Kishore Kumar, Teen Deviyaan (1965), Majrooh Sultanpuri, music S D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4wLVnFJ-E
Hariharan says through this beautiful Ghazal,
Tum Haqikat Ho Koi Khwaab Dikha Na Mujhe
Mujhko Hi Na Tarsa Sata Na Mujhe
lyrics Kamal Ahmed Siddiqui, music Akbar Khan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W9-1LHqYqY
Here what has Javed Ali got to say,
Tu Hi Haqiqat Khwaab Tu,
Dariya Tu Hi Pyaas Tu, Javed Ali, Tum Mile (2009),
Sayeed Quadri, Pritam Chakraborty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKbnmLH8UAo
Mr Muli @473,
Excellent food songs. I am not adding any songs from my side as it is fit for another from my side.
@482,
Kya baat hai! Saawan jo again lagaye use kaun bujhaye is a perfect intra-contra songs.
@483,
Chori chori jo tumse mili to contains its own answer: Ise pyar kahenge. There is no need to look for an ambiguous answer in Kuchh to log kahenge.
@484,
Yes, Kal tak jo begaane the janmon ke meet hain is a perfect intra-contra songs.
@491,
Yes, it is very close to perfect 10.
@477, 493, 503, 507, Venkataramanji @504,
After coming up with perfect replies, Mr Muli, you have self-doubts and you have got Venkataramanji too entangled. I have no self-doubts. Venkataramanji asked for an appropriate ‘jawab’ to ‘Tujhe kya sunaaun main dilruba’. This can only be given by a third person, and Venkataramanji rightly asked me. Now my and Mr Muli’s answers were unambiguous about ‘what’ to sing. When Arjun had self-doubts at the battlefield, Lord Krishna clarified his confusions.
This post is becoming an unending web; let us all try to get out of it.
Mr Joseph @478,
Chori chori jo tumse mili is a perfect sawal-jawab song.
@485,
Ye kaun hai jiske aane se: This is a very interesting sawal-jawab song in which the answer is also framed as a question.
@486,
Ke jis zalim ne tadpaya usi pe mujhko pyar aya: is an excellent intra-contra song.
@487,
The contra pair is not very clear to me, but let that pass.
@488,
Chhup gaye saare nazaare oye kya baat ho gayi: It is a perfect sawal-jawab sog.
@489,
Tum hi tum ho mere jeevan mein,
Tum bin jaaun kahan:
Both songs seem to me to be saying the same thing. The pair is inseparable from each other.
@490,
Ek haseen shaam ko dil mera kho gaya – One beautiful evening I lost my heart to someone. If you take its obvious poetic meaning I don’t see any contra. Unless you are dissecting science – the heart is an organ which cannot be lost to another person without transplant; in that case the first person would not be alive to sing this song.
@492,
Tumhari nazar kyon khafa ho gayi is a very good sawal-jawab song.
@498,
Dil ki nazar se is a very good sawal-jawab song.
@501, 502, 505,
Intra-contra is not very clear to me.
Mumbaikar8 @479,
Your first sentence is not correct. Rest I have no comments.
@481,
You have mentioned Parichay. A very good make-over song for Jeetendra is Musafir hun yaaro/ Na ghar hai na thikana/ Mujhe chalte jana hai.
Venkataramanji @ 495,
It seems that in all the confusion Mumbaikar8 posed a trivial question to you @480. There never was a doubt that Se din dujone does not mean Nain deewane. The real question for which the Master’s ruling was needed was the meaning of Nain deewane and whether there is an intra-contra in this. There was some difference between us as you can see @368, 369, 373, 374, 411, 413, 419, 422, 424. But we have squandered a chance and I would not like to bother you more on this. But thanks a lot for the additional information about Se din dujone.
@500,
Haal kaisa janab ka: I think the song itself contains answer tot he question asked.
Haal kya hai dilon ka na poochho sanam: Even though the songs is framed in interrogation, I don’t think it is looking for an answer.
@508,
This is an excellent find. Two intra-contra songs are mutual contra to each other!
@510,
Chaahe raho door chaahe raho paas: It can be treated as an intra-contra song.
@511, 512,
Very nice intra-contra pair. How can something be both khwab and haqeeqat. I hope physicists on the group do not start talking quantum mechanics, Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle and Schrodinger’s Cat etc.
Canasya @494,
I saw Ashwin’s reaching the glorious mark and now he has decided to breathe easy. Let us try to wrap this up too. Bhala karnewale bhalai kiye ja is nice intra-contra song.
Ks Bhatiaji @496,
Na main bhagwan hun, na main shaitan hun,…Main to insan hun: Nice intra-contra song. Is this an example of thesis, anti-thesis and synthesis?
@497,
Ek baat poochhata hun gar tum bura na maano is a nice sawal-jawab song.
Mr Rangan @506,
Zindagi hai zinda wo zindagi se khele is about living life to the full. In Zindagi khwab hai there is some disillusionment about life. A very good contra pair.
Ashwin @509,
‘Faux contra’: Nice term and so apt. Thanks a lot. Let us now both breathe easy having reached some sort of landmark.
AK @ 516
At times your comments are more complex than Gulzar’s lyrics.
“It seems that in all the confusion Mumbaikar8 posed a trivial question to you @480. There never was a doubt that Se din dujone does not mean Nain deewane. “
Let us go by chronology
Your comment @ 424
“This song is perhaps not an exact translation of its original Se din dujone, but it is quintessential Rabindrasangeet. Hats off to Pt. Narendra Sharma.
I am afraid any further dissection will hamper our enjoyment of the poetry. Yet, I would like the Maharathi to come in; we know there is only one, and lest he pretends deniability, the one who lives in Kolkata.”
@ 427
Not dissecting further, I made a formal request, to clear my doubt, and clearly wrote what my doubt was.
“I would request Maharathi to clear the doubt.
To my mind the lyrics Se din dujuno and nain diwane are completely different. Se din dujone is all about nostalgia, naina diwane is not.”
Your response @ 430 to my comment @ 427
“I hope the Maharathi reads it, but let us not give him any cover. Please also address it directly to him.”
No reference of confusion
I waited for some time as Venkataramanji was not as active.
My comment @ 480 was a repeat of @427 at your behest.
Mumbaikar8,
Are you satisfied that this was the doubt? In deference to your brilliant cross-examination let me accept that I am responsible for the confusion. But let us accept that the substantive query was about Nain deewane, whether it has intra-contra or not. I have already mentioned a series of comments where this persisted. Yet I would not like to bother Venkataramanji now.
Ak ji,
The song …na mein bhagwan hoon…from mother india is on a scale between 0 to infinity. Insaan occupies a dot on this scale. …cleaner you are sharp is your position. For clever people there are cluster of dots at various places. Graphs seldom are false but manipulaters struggles to make them right to fit into their fancy worlds.
Here is one of my favourite intra song….
Ganga aaye kahan se ganga jaaye kahan re … link .?…kabuliwala.
Ak ji, venkatraman ji, Mumbaikar8 ji,
Here is one of beautiful intra shabad from gurubani….sung by manna dey…from nanak naam jahaj hai…
Hum mailyey tu ujjal karte , hum moorakh tu daata…
A must listen for all.
AK
I accept the initial query was to get closure on the extensive discussion we were having, but your comment
“This song is perhaps not an exact translation of its original Se din dujone, but it is quintessential Rabindrasangeet. ”
put me off the track. I did not remember what the lyrics of se din dujone were. My understanding was that you found some similarity between them, I listened to that song and found it totally different from Nain Deewane, as it is .
Venkataramanji was not ready to dabble in Hindi lyrics, he would not go for anything that he wasn’t 100% sure of.
Knowing he would be sure about Se din dujone I asked him about this.
Cross- examination was essential for self-defense.
AKji
If I am correct all of your posts have a never ending continum. Why make an exception here. Venkataramanji will probably will be able to give his expert dissertation as to why comment numbers are quantum jumping to dizzying heights. I consider both yours and Ashwinji’s posts as a pair of rails on which the iconic SOY steam engine is chugging along. Let it not derail.
So far all the contra songs I have mentioned are all from my memory. I am so addicted to this post, I am constantly raking up my mind to discover new ones.
You have accepted a new category – sawal-jaab pair. Here is one from Sasural – Shailendra/Shankar Jaikishan – Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar. Both of them conclude question is itself an answer. Can you throw some light on this preposition.
Ek sawal mein karoon – https://youtu.be/Nq6dc-NwqjA?t=36
Akji @ 516,
When Mumbaikarki posted the song @ 368 and posed the question to you and Rahulji, she had no doubt in her mind that NV was not the right person, since his limitations in the language will be a deterrent in understanding the poetic language of Pandit Narendra Sharma and she had qualified her belief with statement,
‘Pandit Narendta Sharma is no lyric writer; he is a poet, understanding his poem is not easy. One needs a teacher for that.’
And in the end Mumbaikarji, reiterated her firm belief that I was not the right person to dabble in Hindi lyrics.
It made me happy that AKji you found me the fit person to resolve the tension. But I proclaimed my unworthiness for the task, with an add-on ‘I feel, it is better to leave certain things unresolved.’
If I have disappointed you, I am sorry for that.
KS Bhatiaji @523,
Ganga aye kaha se Ganga jaye kahan re is a beautiful song. Thanks a lot for posting it.
@524,
Hum maile tu ujjal kar de by Manna Dey is a very profound Shabad. Thanks for mentioning it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqXdb9PTjoM
Mr DP Rangan @526,
You are right, there is no end date for any post. For example, yesterday a reader commented on my post on Devdas written four years ago. This post too is going to remain available forever. I just meant to slow down the overheated engine. As I look back on comments, they add not only songs, but also a lot of knowledge about lyrics and ideas. I feel bad that, in between, several comments which were not specifically addressed to me have gone unanswered. It is now awkward to respond to the older comments. But readers are always welcome to add comments which open new vistas.
Ek sawal main karun, ek sawal tum karo has been discussed earlier. It is a nice sawal-jawab song in which each reply is also framed in the form of a question.
Venkataramanji @527,
Now you know the source of confusion. We finally ended up asking the wrong question, but let that pass.
NV @ 527
Now you are twisting my comment.
# 368 I posed question to AK and Mr. Muli because three of us were in discussion last couple of days, you were missing in action.
Never ever I felt or said that you were not the right person.
@ 525 Venkataramanji was not ready to dabble in Hindi lyrics, he would not go for anything that he wasn’t 100% sure of.
Knowing he would be sure about Se din dujone I asked him about this.
There was no belief that, you are not the right person, to reiterated.
I said and meant that you would not enter the fray unless you are 100% sure , unlike me who is ready to stick her neck out more often.
That does not at all mean that I did not find you fit to resolve.
Mr. Rangan @ 526
“I am so addicted to this post, I am constantly raking up my mind to discover new ones.”
I think all of us were feeling the same when AK tried to shut the door.
Thank you so much for getting the window open.
Now we can all sneak in. 🙂
The bhajan shyam nikas gaye from Satyam Shivam Sundaram was posted by Mr. Muli in khidki kuli band contra.
I like this non filmy version by Asha more.
Shyam Nikas Gaye Na Mein Ladi Thi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W6peYFgsio
Ksbhatiaji .
Thanks for the meaningful Shabd.
AKji:
Rangan ji @ 526 and Mumbaikar ji @ 532 are quite right. This theme is turning out to be addictive like no other. Here is ‘Tu mahal mein rahne wali, main kutiya mein rahne wala; phir tera mera pyar kya’ (Mukesh and Shmshad in Shabnam; MD: SDB):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsAT9_ROMug
On ‘ Mahalon mein rahanewale ‘ , this could be another intra contra song…
‘ Mahalon mein rahane…’/ 1954 / SHABAB / Naushad / Rafi , Bande Hasan , Mubarak Begum & Chorus
https://youtu.be/zvWZ4NctdQk
Canasya,
Mahal/kutiya is a nice contra theme. The theme is quite common in classic tales, but we don’t seem to have enough songs in films. In Raja Aur Rank the prince and the pauper swap their places voluntarily. In Kach-Devyani-Sharmishtha-Yayati legend the princess is cursed to be living as a maid in the outhouse. I had hopes on Mahalon ka raja mila ki rani beti raaj karegi, but it stops short. Kaahe ko byahi bides too starts promisingly with Bhaiya ko deeno mahal dumahale, but Amir Khusro had perhaps not heard intra-contra.
‘ … Ek dhanwaan ki beti ne nirdhan ka …’
‘ Chaandi ki deewar…’/ 1969 / VISHWAS / Kalyanji Anandji / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/XbyuBE0tCPw
‘… Kaheen beete na ye raatein kaheen beete na ye din …’
‘ Gaata rahe mera …’/ 1965 / GUIDE / SDB / Kishore , Lata
https://youtu.be/7J1nr0-2O60
AKji:
Another intra contra song:
‘Yehan badla wafa ka bewafaayi ke siwa kya hai’ (Rafi, Noor Jehan in Jugnu; MD: Feroz Nizami)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXscg-MNadE
AKji
Batsmen are refusing to leave the field even when Dada declared the innings!
A classic Dravid – Tendulkar episode ( Sachin left in that case though)
As regards palace – kutiya
There is a beautiful poem in Marathi by Sant Tukdoji maharaj (a reformist saint from Vidharbha) . I had listened this being sung as a Lori by many marathi mother’s.
It goes like this
राजास जी महाली,
सौख्ये कधी मिळाली.
ती सर्व प्राप्त झाली.
या झोपडीत माझ्या .
( All the comforts relished
By a king in his palace ,
I have also enjoyed
In this little hut of mine)
पहारे आणि तिजोरया,
त्यातुनही होती चोरया.
दारास नाही दोरया ,
या झोपडीत माझ्या
( Vault and armed sentry
Can’t stop thief’s entry
Doors are always open in my hut
But nobody has stolen anything yet .)
There are few more stanzas each containing a beautiful contrast but it is beyond my
Ability to translate them.
This is in the voice of Ajit kadkade .
https://youtu.be/qfT3b_J9Vjk
This song perhaps fits in as intra contra…
‘ Bharam teri wafaon…’/ 1953 / ARMAN / SDB / Talat
https://youtu.be/gVOwcCSlFLw
AKji
Another contra on the theme of dosti from my grey cells
Dost dost naha – Mukesh, Sangam, Shankar Jaikishan/Shailendra
https://youtu.be/PY5AMJtMY3A
Yeh dosti hum nahi chodenge – Manna Dey & Kishore Kumar, Anand Bakshi/ R D Burman
https://youtu.be/R2HQGNuIY-Y?t=49
Mumbaikarji @ 531
I accept your argument. Even if you had meant it, I would not have minded since I myself proclaimed my unworthiness for the task. Ok you did not mean it. Accepted. And as Akji has said let that pass. And call a truce.
Let me add, the entire episode of extended exchange was in line with theme of the post.
Let us take fresh guards and gear up for another………. another… round of contrasting songs, contradictions, etc.etc.
How about Inqaar/ Iqraar/ Izhaar
Husn chala kuchh aisi chaal, diwane ka puchh na haal
pyar ki kasam kamaal ho gaya, haay pyar ki kasam kamaal ho gaya
dil ko abb tak hai inkaar, aankhe kar baithi ikraar
pyar ki kasam kamaal ho gaya, haay pyar ki kasam kamaal ho gaya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=869p3UISAgU
I think there is a definite contradiction between the Dil and Aankh here.
And more on Inqaar and Iqraar- Hoth and Aankh
Honthon Pe Inkar Thoda Thoda Aankho Mein Ikrar Thoda Thoda, Md.Rafi & Usha Timothy, Raat Ke Andhere Mein (1969), lyrics & music Prem Dhawan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_3r03GBqaM
AKji:
Venkataraman ji @ 337 has posted Kabir’s ‘Mann laago phakiri mein’ and Rahul Muli ji @ 539 has posted a poem by Sant Tukdoji Maharaj. ‘Ankhiyon ke jharokhon se’ had a medley of Rahim and Kabir couplets, some of which may fit the bill here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVNgOAS2M00
The ultimate in intra-contra probably occurs in some Hindi poems with Yamak alankaar, such as in Bihari’s ‘Kanak kanakte sau guni …’, and this famous poem by Bhushan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSExwFi-hJY
I can’t recall good examples of Yamak from HFM. Couple of those that come to mind are pedestrian by comparison, for instance, Sajna hai mujhe sajna ke liye (Asha in Saudagar; MD: Ravindra Jain)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS95DwKZuH0
and ‘Ke jann chali jaaye jiya nahin jaaye, jiya jaaye to phir jiya nahin jaaye’ (Rafi, Suman in Anjaana; MD: LP):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_S9e0Dc0F0
Canasya ji,
One song that remains ever favourite for me….
Khuli palak mein jhoota gussa band palak mein pyar….beautiful song of beautiful movie. …Professor. Rafi and SJ at their very best.
I am still on the lookout of some songs of forties.
Mr S Joseph @534,
Mahlon mein rahnewale humein tere dar se kay is a nice intra-contra song. Someone without any possessions does not covet any material thing, but looks only for love.
@536,
Chaandi ki deewar na todi is a nice song on dhanwaan/nirdhan. We can stretch it to mean intra-contra.
Similarly, @537 is a nice raat/din song, but is it a good intra-contra song?
@540, Bharam teri wafaon ka is a nice Talat song of sadness due to betrayal in love, but it would not occur to me as intra-contra song.
Mr Rangan @541,
This is nice contra pair on dosti; in the first song it has been broken, in the second the friends are sure it is unbreakable.
Mr Muli @539,
I am not a passionate fan of cricket, but by ‘Dada’ probably you mean the Bengal Tiger. If I remember correctly, the captain then was the Little Master, and he declared when the Wall was on 194. There was no prior consultation. The Wall was also human, but to his credit he did not let anything go out of the locker room. In the present case we were all together past 500.
But let the people’s wish prevail. The Marathi song is very good. There are a large number of songs by saint poets across languages spurning the royal invitation from the King.
A very well-known reply by Kumbhandas to Akbar is as follows:
संतन को कहा सीकरी सों काम?
आवत जात पनहियाँ टूटी, बिसरि गयो हरि नाम।।
जिनको मुख देखे दुख उपजत, तिनको करिबे परी सलाम।।
कुंभनदास लाल गिरिधर बिनु, और सबै बेकाम।।
(What is there for a saint in Fatehpur Sikri?
My shoes will be torn in going there to and fro, and I would forget to chant the name of God
Besides, I will have to salute those whose sight gives me pain.
Kumbhandas says, everything is worthless without my Giridhar Lal.)
Venkataramanji @542, 543,
Nice intra-contra songs of inkaar/iqraar. This has immense possibilities.
Canasya @538,
Nice intra-contra song.
@544,
It is difficult to get good examples of Yamak in HFM. You have been able to dig out some of the best that might be there. I thought of some examples, which are quite trite:
Ek raat mein do do chaand khile
Ek ghoonghat mein ek badali mein
Kaisi haseen raat.
Ek chaand aasmaan mein hai, ek mere paas hai
NV@ 542
Agree the exchange was in line with the theme.
I am very much impressed by your second round.
@ 512 with Khwab and haqeeqat.
@ 542 with Iqrar and Inkar you have hit the nail with the contradiction of dil and aankh.
“since I myself proclaimed my unworthiness for the task”
AK knew better than you when he placed the ball in your court.
Two examples of Poor Aankh against Dil/ Mai/
Mahal song haye mera dil
https://youtu.be/CnX21ynyLbQ?t=233
Tarana tu bola papihe bol
https://youtu.be/f37YIJhLcw0?t=57
Canasya ji @ 538
Akji@ 550
Three yamak songs ; first very good, second just above average ( my personal opinion) & third definitely ,trite to borrow Akji’s usage.
1 o mere dil ke chain
Chain aye mere dil ko
https://youtu.be/9jHPhM6hVmg
2 Tumne kisiki jaan ko
https://youtu.be/GwfqaXbobDI
3 sona kitna sona hai
https://youtu.be/PlN6oP-Nlno
Ak ji @ 548
Obviously I meant Saurav. Dada & Didi can come from WB only
However the particular episode happened when Wall was Captained & Little master was on 194 ( contra to what you have stated& apt for this theme)
Venkatraman ji @ 542/ 543
Intra contra & iquraar mixed with sitam & julm
1 gairo pe sitam –
https://youtu.be/f_SJ2MPDAZI
Ravi for his favourite producer DG
Hum bhi to tere mazur-e- nazar
Dil chahe to ab iqraar na kar
2 kitne bhi to karle sitam
https://youtu.be/tqofPln6aG4
RD for FF winning Sanam Teri Kasam ( his first but on his own admission average score)
Kuch hai aankho ka rishta
Gussa iquraar ka hai ye
Can we treat the pair as a contra
Since in the first Mala sinha has given up ( mar jayenge hum mit jayenge hum)
But in the second Kamal Haasan is absolutely confident of getting his love back
Jo aarjoo aaj hai meri ek din teri aarjoo hogi .
Mr Muli @552,
Nice examples. Even your trite at #3 has many possibilities. You can think of Govinda singing:
Mujhe sone ka dil karta hai re baba.
(A wrong guy sang another similar song.)
Ajit had a good sense of Yamak when he said, “Mujhe teen cheezein pasand hain: Mona, Sona aur Mona ke sath sona.”
Comparatively, my examples at @550 are not even trite. They are good songs, but they are not Yamak, they should be trashed.
This is a goldmine for our great talent Ashwin. In your #1, the lady, when she gets married with the hero, might sing an antara pointing to her mangalsutra, Baandh liya hai tumne is chain se/ Ye chain nahin toote dua kijiye.
@553,
Thanks for correcting my memory. Since characters are reversed I uncontra my ending: The LM didn’t hide his disappointment that he was prevented from achieving another milestone.
AK ji;
My computer is back on its wings …will see how far the flight it takes..
Some contra songs to share…
Yaar Tum Shaadi Mat Karna – Kishore Kumar – PARIVAR – Kishore Kumar,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29XKdBby6iE
Betaab – 1952 – Binati Karat Hoon Mein Tori Maa Tu Shaadi Karade…S D Batish….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCHVhK5s4Ug
AK ji;
In continuation a few more of contra songs…
Dekh Liya Maine Kismat Ka Tamasha – Lata Rafi…
– Deedar…Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=285VsJ4L7nE
Dekh liya tune gham ka tamasha… S D Batish….Betab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8jgsAYWhfQ
and…
Betaab Hai Dil Bechain Nazar Talat Mahmood Behram Daku (1959) Sadat Khan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10M0W-A3w_E
BECHAIN NAZAR BETAAB JIGAR – TALAT….Yasmeen….CR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOrm2s2VJls
Bechain Hai Betab Hai Geeta Dutt Mubarak Begum Film Haar Jeet Music SD Batish Lyrics Aziz Kashmiri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOdJKoFMsNQ
to be contd.
In continuation one intra contra song…
Movie : Sheesh Mahal
Music Director: Vasant Desai
Singers: Shamshad Begum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awqfu0Jcwso
This song may fit in intra contra..
Dekho rootha na…’/ 1963 / TERE GHAR KE SAAMNE / SDB / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/bTDEbAb6eng
Possible intra contra song…
‘ Tere ghar ke …’ / 1963 / TERE GHAR KE SAAMNE / SDB / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/bwEdTapXw4k
This may fit as an intra contra song
‘ Likha hai teri…’ / 1965 / TEEN DEVIAN / SDB / Lata , Kishore
https://youtu.be/Df-JCRpAlFM
This song may fit in as intra contra
‘ Yeh kisne geet …’/ 1962 / MERI SOORAT TERI AANKHEN / SDB / Mukesh , Suman
https://youtu.be/PXmF7vgB5BY
Another possible intra contra song..
‘ Bahut haseen hai…’ / 1965 / AADHI RAAT KE BAAD / Chitragupt / Rafi , Suman
https://youtu.be/C4i6NwJ9EoA
Another possible intra contra song..
‘ Tumhen dil se…’ / 1965 / CHAND AUR SURAJ / Salil / Rafi , Suman
https://youtu.be/mhtoxdrGRy8
Possible intra contra song…
‘ Yeh Mausam rangeen…’/ 1961 / MODERN GIRL / Ravi / Mukesh , Suman
https://youtu.be/Rm8vztwdxsk
This may fit in under intra contra..
‘ Thehariye hosh mein…’/ 1965 / MOHABBAT ISKO KAHATE HAIN / Khayyam / Rafi , Suman
https://youtu.be/oXdFbP_DMB8
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Jogi O Jogi…’/ 1971 / LAAKHON MEIN EK / RDB / Kishore , Lata
https://youtu.be/7IGoKxWOsVA
May fit in as intra contra song…
‘ Zara sambhaliye adayen…’/ 1961 / BADA AADMI / Chitragupt / Mahendra Kapoor , Lata
https://youtu.be/ai-PMEEQc08
This song may fit in as intra contra
‘ Hamse nain milana…’/ 1950 / AANKHEN / MM / Shamshad , Mukesh
https://youtu.be/DSBK5WhcBS0
This song may also fit in as intra contra
‘ Ye khaamoshiyan ye…’/ 1963 /YEH RAASTE HAIN PYAR KE / Ravi / Rafi , Asha
https://youtu.be/evX9dc3fAF4
A possible intra contra song …
‘Tum jis pe nazar…’/ 1963 / YEH RAASTE HAIN PYAR KE / Ravi / Rafi
https://youtu.be/CzLI0iNF22s
Another possible intra contra song …
‘ Jane jaan paas…’/ 1963 / YEH RAASTE HAIN PYAR KE / Ravi / Asha , Sunil Dutt
https://youtu.be/GlowvBId8D0
Perhaps this is intra contra song.
‘ Yeh raaste hain…’/1963 / YEH RAASTE HAIN PYAR KI / Ravi / Asha
https://youtu.be/oPf3ffpXdGk
AKji:
The scope of this post has been expanded couple of times in the past, for instance, to include songs in the nature of ‘sawal-jawab’. I am not sure if one could stretch it to also include songs involving ‘double entendre’. Of course, many such songs, such as ‘Balma sipahiya’, have got a bad press. But there are also a few that are universally enjoyable. For instance:
Apni to har aah ek toofan hai, kya karen wo jaan kar anjaan hai, upar walaa jaan kar anjaan hai’ (Rafi in Kala Bazaar; MD: SDB)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qjTd4FR1X4
KS Bhatiaji @556,
Congratulations for your computer coming alive. And you make a gorgeous start with an excellent contra pair. I had not heard the second song, Binati karat hun main tori ma tu shadi kara de. The lyrics are crazily comic.
@557,
Excellent set of contra songs.
@558,
Muqaddar ke hatho jahan ghoomta hai/ Zameen to zameen aasman ghoomta hai..Dhoop chhaon hai duniya: It is a beautiful Shamshad Begum song and every line speaks of contra truths. Thanks for posting it.
Mr S Joseph @559,
Dekho rootha na karo, baat nazaron ki karo/Hum na bolenge kabhi tum sataya na karo
@560,
Tere ghar ke saamne ek ghar banaaunga, duniya basaaunga
@561,
Likha hai teri aankhon mein kska afasana/Agar ise samajh sako mhjhe bhi samjhana
@562,
Ye kisne geet chheda, dil mera naache thirak thirak /Ye kisnki zulf bikhari, jag sara gaya mahak mahak
@563
Bahut haseen hain tumhari aankhen, kaho to main inse pyar kar lun
@564,
Tumhein dil se chaha tumhein dil diya hai, ye wada karo ki bhula to na doge/Tumhin tum ho meri nigaahon mein lekin, nigaahon se mujhko gira to na doge
@565,
Ye mausam rangeen sama thahar zara o jaan-e-jaan, tera mera pyar hai to phir kaisa sharmana
@566,
Thahariye hosh mein aa lun to chale jaiyega/Aapko dil mein bitha lun to chale jaiyega
@567,
Jogi O jogi are pyar mein kya hoga/ Har din suhana hoga, har raat suhani hogi
@568,
Zara sambhaliye adaayein aapki, ki mere hath se mera jaane laga/Na aise rokiye nigaahein pyar ki zindagi mein kuchh nasha ab aane laga
@569,
Humse nain milana BA pass kar ke, humse preet lagan BA pass kar ke
@570,
Ye kahmoshiyan ye tanhaiyan mohabbt ki duniya hai kitni jawan
@571,
Tum jispe nazar daalo us dil ka khuda hafiz
@572,
Jaan-e-jaan paas aao
@573
Ye raastein hain pyar ke chalna sambhal sambhal ke
Most of these songs are my great favourites as they must be of the other readers. I have quoted long mukhada of these songs in which intra-contra is not obvious to me. But you must have listened to them more keenly than I did. I accept what you say, but when next you post such songs in which the theme is not apparent my request to you is to post your reasoning.
Canasya @574,
‘Double entendre’ songs are best left, though some of them are enormously popular, such as Khaaye gori ka yaar balam tarase, rang barase or Saat saheliyan khadi khadi.
Apani to har aah ek toofan hai, uparwala jaan kar anjaan hai has nice intra-contra at multiple levels. ‘Aah’ is just a sigh, it can’t be a ‘toofan’, but we have common usage such as ‘deafening silence’. ‘Jaan kar anjaan’ is also an excellent intra-contra. This is similar to a common expression: It is easy to wake up a sleeping person, but जगे को जगाना मुश्किल है. An alternative title for this post could be ‘Oxymoron songs’?
Mr. Muli @ 482
“By the way a query for Mumbaikarji
Just like Mithun was called as Poor man’s Amitabh , can we call AB as common man’s”
Apology for the late response.
I would call AB comman man’s Shailendra.
AK
‘ġhālib’-e-ḳhasta ke baġhair kaun se kaam band haiñ
roiye zaar zaar kyā kījiye haa.e haa.e kyuuñ’
Ghalib’s sher can contra to
Yeh zindagi ke mele dunuiya me kam na honge
Afsos hum na honge.
https://youtu.be/3TNi0LjXZCI
Song I consider contra to this Mela song is
Rahe na hum mehka karenge
https://youtu.be/33bc3ReYKh0
Would you agree?
Would you?
AKji
My take on variations is that as far as possible we should remain faithful to the original theme. In recent posts from firmament songs onwards wehave witnessed this phenomenon.
If it continues we soon will end up being BJP
Also there is imminent danger of these subsidiaries, associates& joint ventures may control the parent.
The word ‘badal’ and its many variations has been used often in HFM.
‘ Badli Badli duniya…’/ 1962 / SANGEET SAMRAT TANSEN / SN Tripathi / Mahendra Kapoor , Lata
https://youtu.be/OxNTRH4fAkg
Possible contra pair….
‘ Duniya badal gayi…’/ 1950 / BABUL / Naushad / Talat , Shamshad
https://youtu.be/i758C6EL8lk
Mumbaikar8 @579,
“Roiye zaar zaar kya, kijiye haye haye kya”: It seems Ghalib speaks of futility of lamenting. ‘Ye zindag ke mele duniya mein kam na hoge’: This also celebrates many colours of life. They don’t seem to be very contra to each other. Am I on a wrong track?
Mr Muli @580,
That is the ideal situation. Interesting variations, such as intra-contra, relating to the main theme are most welcome. Main value of the adda is that the discussions are insightful and makes us all more aware. Now another new post has come up. That will now draw more attention, therefore, the threat of hostile take-over will recede.
Mr S Joseph @581,
‘Badli badli duniya hai meri, jaadu hai ye kya tere nainan ka‘: My world seems so changed to me, I don’t know what magic your eyes have cast.
‘Duniya badal gayi mari duniya badal gayi‘: My world has changed.
On the surface both the songs mean the same thing. But one is in a happy sense, and the other is of sadness. The world of the lovers has become topsy-turvy. If you mean in this sense, then yes, it is a contra pair.
AK,
You have overlooked first line of the sher and second line of the song.
Ghalib does not speak of futility of lamenting.
He says why would one lament for an insignificant man whose absence will not create any vacuum.
While in zindagi ke mele .
The idea is the same. Celebrations of many colors life will carry on after he is gone, but he is mourning about it.
Mumbaikar8 @585,
Thanks a lot for your explanation. Therefore, I think we both agree that Ghalib’s sher may not be very contra to ‘Ye zindagi ke mele’, and this song is very contra to ‘Rahe na rahe hum’.
Ak ji,
Here is one contra song which i heard for the first time . Half song by lata and geeta dutt each. Stanzas are just opposits but may qualify for contra song.
https://youtu.be/P3qCYM6DkqM
AK ji ,
One swal jawab contra song…
Apni kaho ya meri suno…
https://youtu.be/y4kjw3_cyds
Dil ka lagana
Dil Laga ke kadar gayi pyare
Kala Pani – Majrooh – SDB
A sweet complaint
https://youtu.be/9LurgJEEFy4
Dil lagakar hum ye samjhe
Jindagi aur Maut – Shakeel-
C Ramchandra
A candid admission
https://youtu.be/0MQlso1ww9Y
KS Bhatiaji @587, 588,
Of the two songs you have posted, contra is very obvious in Apni kaho kuchh meri suno kya dil ka lagan bhool gaye‘. Sandhya is trying different means to make Shantaram overcome his gloom, such as Kaali raatein beet gayin, ab chaandni raatein ayi hain, but he is still in Dil mein nahin ujiyara mere, gham ki ghataayein chhayin hai. He has truly forgotten ‘dil ka lagana’ because Bhoola hua hai raah musafir, bichhada hua hai manzil se. Thanks a lot.
Mr Muli @589,
Nice pair of songs.
‘ Maine kuchh khoya hai Maine kuchh paya hai… ‘ — may fit in as intra contra
‘Maine kuchh khoya …’ / 1974 / MERE SAJNA / LP / Kishore
https://youtu.be/8nIaUmHcEv8
‘ Nazar uthne se pahle hi jhuka leti…’ may fit in as intra contra
‘ Nazar uthne se…’/ 1961 / MODERN GIRL / Ravi / Rafi
https://youtu.be/qNcbFmxUikw
‘ Kabhi inkar karte ho kabhi inkar karte ho…’ — may fit in as intra contra
‘ Kabhi inkar karte…’/ 1961 / MODERN GIRL / Ravi / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/SXB6lDA2S1cew
‘ Jiyo to aise…maro to aise…’ — may fit in as intra contra
‘ Jiyo to aise …’ 1965 / BAHU BETI / Ravi / Rafi
https://youtu.be/Pe0CQpnv5lo
‘ Sab mein shamil ho nagar saves juda lagi ho…’ — may fit in as intra contra
‘ Sab mein shamil…’/ 1965 / BAHU BETI / Ravi / Rafi
https://youtu.be/IyKfvTbW0hM
Dil hamne de diya KYUN tumne le liya …’ — may fit in as intra contra
‘ Dil hamne de…’/ 1966 / PYAR KIYE JA / LP / Kishore , Lata
https://youtu.be/sVpWEyXMMTE
…Mohabbat saza hai — maza iss mein itna magar kisliye hai …..’ —
‘ may fit in as intra contra
‘ Yeh maana meri…’/ 1973 / HANSTE ZAKHM / MM / Rafi , Balbir and chorus
https://youtu.be/Fy81wn1to5w
Another possible intra contra…
‘ Jo dil mein…’/ 1949 / BADI BEHAN / Husnlal Bhagatram / Lata
https://youtu.be/ZXAfNA7-09g
‘ Bhagwan teri duniya mein insaan nahi hain…’ possible intra contra…
‘ Bhagwan teri duniya…’/ 1952 / RAIL KA DIBBA / Ghulam Mohammad / Asha
https://youtu.be/YlOEHhL9sAk
The father posed a helpless question
Andhe jahan ke andhe raaste jaye to jaye kahan?
Patita – SJ
https://youtu.be/FHQ5T9R2kU0
Son answered
Jeena yaha marna yaha-
Mera Naam joker- SJ
Contra & QA Together
https://youtu.be/1Qq7oxsI21A
First article in SoY to cross the 600 mark.
Congratulations to all the members of SoY and AKji in particular.
Continuing the trend…
I think this should fit in the intra Contra cataegory.
Kyun Zindagi Ki Raah Mein Majboor Ho Gaye
Itne Hue Kareeb Ke Hum Door Ho Gaye
Saath Saath (1982), Chitra Singh, Javed Akhtar, Kuldeep Singh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXSPgFaioM
The ‘Dream’ post was running very close. But now the gap has widened.
Itne Kareeb Hote hue bhi door ho gaye…..
Hope, will catch up soon
AKji
What a landmark achieved. Looks like modern day one day cricket when scores of more than 300 are par and there was a solitary instance two innings of more than 400 in South Africa-Australia. In T20 scores of 200 are easily achieved. It must be because people are chained to their house and can devote lot of time.
Here is an intra contra song on tasveer.
Tasveer banatha hoon magar tasveer nahi banthi – Talat Mahmood, Baradari, Music – Nashad
https://youtu.be/eOnw5V1SPVs?t=3
If you do not concur here is his opposite
Tasveer banata hoom teri khoone jigar se – Moahammad Rafi, Deewana 1952, Shakeel Badauni, Naushad
https://youtu.be/VYqZoFJW480?t=98
The first 2 lines of the limerick below are meant for AK and the last three are in response to Venkataramanji @ 602 🙂
To thee I solemnly bow
For getting to the mark of ‘chhe sou’
I am progressing @ a slow pace
Because this is not a race
I will dream my way to the milestone somehow
‘600’ brought to mind Tennyson’s ‘The Charge of the Light Brigade’ which the late Shrimati Buch, my Geography teacher in the 6th and later, my English teacher in the 7th , had explained to us by giving details of the history and geography of the event that the poem is all about. I have paraphrased the most famous lines of the poem, with due apologies to Tennyson, to depict the feverish state of mind of SoYers as the milestone got nearer and nearer:
Their’s only to make reply
Without being mute passers-by
And thereby to experience a high
Let’s march to 600
A milestone that hitherto has never been met
Ashwinji,
Trying to mimic,
By way of limerick,
That you may call a ‘mimeric’;
Yet a poor imitation,
That shows my limitation.
And here we have two ace (s),
Never to be on a chase,
Showing plenty of grace,
Agreed, both of you are not in a race
But it is the readers who set the pace.
The two posts of exhilaration,
One, the songs of contra-diction,
The other, on dreams and fiction,
With plenty of pun and fun,
Are here for a marathon run.
Venkataramanji @ 606
You are are known to revel in analytics
But now you seem to be having a lot of fun
With rhyming verse and witty pun
Aren’t you missing the statistics?
Ashwinji,
Yes I do a little of analytics,
But I also dabble in Dialectics!
And prattle in poetics
Also venerate vital statistics!
But in the end I am back to basics.
What does that mean, would you care to hear,
I am here nor there, everywhere again nowhere,
I am an infliction, like the covid19 infection,
I am a colossus of contradiction, enough to create confusion
To relieve from this affliction, I will seek your permission.
Please permit one last infliction
Of what you call an affliction
Going forward, I will actively resist
And sincerely desist
From giving in to this addiction
604 to 609
Witnessing your
4x 4 relay
I wonder whether
This is soy or
English version of
Chandrashekhar Goghale
Mr S Joseph @592,
Maine kuchh khoya hai, maine kuchh paya hai is a very good intra-contra song.
@593,
Nazar uthane se pahle hi utha leti hai: Heard for the first time. Nice intra-contra song. Thanks a lot.
@594,
Kabhi inkaar karte ho, kabhi ikraar karte ho: It is a very good intra-contra song.
@595,
Jiyo to aise jiyo, maro to aise maro: It is a very good intra-contra song. I remembered Marna teri gali mein, jeena teri gali mein from Shabab which is a perfect intra-contra song.
@596,
Sab mein shamil ho sabse juda lagati ho is a nice intra-contra song. This reminded me of Roshan-Rafi’s Maine shayad tumhein pahle bhi kahin dekha hai which had excellent intra-contra lines: Ajanabi si ho magar gair nahin lagati ho/ Vaham se bhi ho nazuk wo yakeen lagati ho.
@597,
Dil humne diya, kyun tumne liya: If she voluntarily gives away her ‘dil’, does she have a right to complain why he accepted it? That is a natural consequence of her giving away the gift. I would not include it in intra-contra.
@598,
Ye maana meri jaan mohabbat saza hai, maza ismein itana magar kis liye hai is a perfect intro-contra song.
@599,
Jo dil mein khushi bankar aaye, wo dard basakar chale gaye/ Jo shama jalaane aaye the, wo shama bujhakar chale gaye is a perfect intro contra song.
@600,
Bhagwan teri duniya mein insaan nahin hain is a weak intra-contra song than the above example.
Mr Muli @ 601,
Nice example, but I don’t get father-son?
Mr Rangan @603,
The pair is a perfect contra set. The landmark is not my achievement, it has been propelled by the readers, but thanks a lot for your compliments.
Venkataramanji @602,
Very good example of intra-contra.
Ashwin @604, 605, 607, 609,
Venkataramanji @606, 608,
Mr Muli @610,
Pushed by all on to the stage, I take a bow
For your compliments on reaching my chhe sau
That is the limit of my mimicry
In the face of the charge of your cavalry
Hence I retreat to my bunker’s chhaon
Ak ji
Father-son is a reference to the lyricists , Shailendra & Shaili shailendra
Mr Muli,
So clever, congratulations and thanks.
AK
I am here to surprise today.
Going back to your comment # 430, I want to retract from what I said @ 450.
As I have said earlier I watch Shekhar Gupta’s cut the clutter on and off, I happened to see it today.
I want to confess I was wrong then, but would you agree with me that he is not consistent and seems lost some (if not most of the) times. 🙂
Today is my day of appreciation I was highly impressed by you for not shying away from asking questions.
I wanted to ask that “ father and son question” but you beat me to it.
Now the formality of congratulating you for you fastest 600, let me be honest here, had Ashwin not behaved like the hare of hare and tortoise story he would have beaten you.
Mr. Muli @ 616
That was indeed very clever. Congarts.
I gave my reply @ 578 to you query @ 482, now I am asking you the same question can you give your opinion on that?
AK
Time for some contra songs.
Hans had started with diya as early @153 but was not carried forward.
Just remebered a song I think is contra to dil ka diya jala ke gaya the one he had mentioned.
That is diya jalakar aap bhujaya
https://youtu.be/RdA3mA4Hfjs
Some mundane diya jalao and chirag gul kardo songs
diya Jalao Jagmag
https://youtu.be/-sWo9fkWdRY
Sare Chirag Gul Kar Do
https://youtu.be/1QC-tus2LWE
AK,
Contrasting afsana of Dard
Afsana likh rahi hoon
https://youtu.be/D7XJy4bSNRY
Afsana nahin haqeeqat hai for the same in Dard
https://youtu.be/HRLuIVsvj94
Mumbaikar ji @618
I had the same answer in my mind.
Here is a contrast on bandhan by the pair under discussion
1 Kanto se kheech ke ye aanchal- Guide – SDB
https://youtu.be/98d40_ix7P8
Todake bandhan bandhi payal
2 Bandhan toote na – Mom ki Gudiya – LP
https://youtu.be/i3x7wgA1TeQ
Nothing new can be written about 1
Bandhan toote na may not be in the same league but is a very good song & my personal favourite
I have a lurking doubt that LP rehashed this for meri saanso ko jo mahaka rahi hai
One of the things that makes me happy is the loyalty I have for the songs close to my heart . I can close my eyes not wanting to see the things around me but can’t close my heart to the songs I want to feel .
Now whisper along this intra contra song from classic movie Devdas….
Manzil Ki Chaah Mai (HD)….Rafi….SDB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtcnkjlduDw
Can the third segment (which is in Raga Jogiya) of Anil Biswas’s version of the Four Seasons from ‘Humdard’ (1953) be termed as an intra-contra song since it has the following lines (which refer to the visual impairment of the hero)?
Auron ki to rain andheri
Par hai mera din bhi andhera
On a related note, it is so frustrating that the song is not available in its entirety on YouTube – only a fragment of the last segment (in Raga Bahar) can be heard.
‘Ritu aaye, ritu jaaye sakhi ri’ by Manna De & Lata Mangeshkar (MD – Anil Biswas, Lyricist – Prem Dhawan), from ‘Humdard’ (1953)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPVAR6eQ9BI
‘Kaanton se kheench ke yeh aanchal’ has been cited as the contra-counterpart in 2 contexts – (a) caanton se rishta and (b) bandhan. But I would like to posit that it is an intra-contra song for doesn’t it pose the following life-and-death in its refrain?
Aaj phir jeene ki tamanna hai
Aaj phir marne ka irada hai
Please read ‘life-and-death question’ in place of ‘life-and-death’ in Comment # 625.
Here is a lori and an anti-lori:
‘Aa ja ri aa, nindiya tu aa’ by Lata Mangeshkar (MD – Salil Chowdhury, Lyricist – Shailendra), from ‘De Beegha Zameen’ (1953)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuNCbL38eUw
‘Ja ri ja ja, nindiya ja’ by Lata Mangeshkar & Madhubala Zaveri (MD – C.Ramchandra, Lyricist – Rajendra Krishan), from ‘Jhanjhar’ (1953)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys5JwqejFc0
Ashwinji
You are truly great. Despite being involved in a close fight to overtake, you post more comments here to widen the gap. It deserves a reward. I am posting a very poor limerick in your honour.
Ashwin were you born a Knight
In incarnation aeons back by divine right
Losing lead in tight fight
Noble soul thou art despite your plight
Mumbaikar8 @618,
Was this your first retraction in life? If you are either a hater or a bhakt you would be always consistent. But if you are objective you will be appreciating some things and critising some other things. That may appear inconsistent, but in this avatar he is good.
The last point. I have already felicitated Ashwin for touching the tape first. Thereafter, one may do हवा में तलवारबाज़ी, but that is not counted.
@620,
Saare chirag gul kar do is a nice contra to Diya jallao, jagmag jagmag diya jalaao.
@621,
The ‘afsana’ has become ‘haqeeqat’ for the other lady? Nice contra pair in the same film.
Ranganji @ 627,
This ‘race’ is the last thing on my mind
So there is no question of being left behind
AK is a good friend (though still a virtual ‘dost’)
So all the more reason to contribute to his post
That said, my thanks for your words so kind
AK,
Would you be OK if I expanded the scope of this post to cover songs in contra-ragas? By contra ragas, I am referring to ragas that are complimentary wrt their scales, for eg, Yaman and Bhairavi. To prevent the implementation of this expansion in scope from becoming too unwieldy, we can lay down the ground rules that only 1 song pair per contra raga pair can be posted. Come to think of it, this exercise will result in only a handful of such raga-pairs for Hindustani Music but many, many more for Carnatic Music.
mumbaikar8 @ 618,
I do not much care
That you have likened me to a hare
But by doing so quite knowingly
You have likened AK to a tortoise unwittingly
To a man of his calibre, this is not fair
Ashwin @624,
This link has longer and clearer Raga Bahar in the end:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snu9-3Ickw0
The key is check out the audio links if the video link is not good. This cover version is also very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kukG1K-Y3cs
Now about your question ‘Auron ki rain andheri/ Par hai mera din bhi andhera‘. Since his vision is impaired it will be dark for him day and night. Had the poet thought of ‘dark outside, but shining inside’, something like visual impairment enhancing his inner faculties, that would be a clearer contra according to me.
@625,
So Kaanoton se kheench ke ye aanchal is double intra-contra song? And what about ‘Apne hi bas mein hanin main/ Dil hai kahin to hun kahin main‘? Dr Shetty can confirm, it is not possible to have the person live somewhere and send away her dil somewhere else. Should we create a new category of ‘Impossible songs’? Let us put it as a hat-trick infra-contra song.
@626,
Nice pair of lori and anti-lori.
AK @ 628
First retraction in life.
I consider myself right until “proven” otherwise.
Do you think this is the first time I have been proved wrong?
At this age?
Hypothetically, if it was first time, I would have sent you a quiet personal email and retracted wouldn’t have done so in public.
AK you have good knack of explaining I am atrocious.
I did not mean his political inclination when I said inconsistent, I meant the quality of his shows.
Ashwin@630
You can refer to AK @ 267 why I avoid smileys with comments.
I would put it as “lack of ability” on my part to explain things .
Let me make it simple. It was a joke.
Ak knows, understands and tolerates (you can pick your choice of verb) me.
He was kind to me even before we had met, having met
few times now, he understands me better.
You are not the first one to feel that I am unfair to Ak, there have many instances before and probably there will many more if AK doesn’t lose his patience and blocks me out.
Ashwin @630,
Could contra-raga also mean, say, vaadi, samvaadi exchanged, other notes remaining the same? A perfect example would be Bhopali/Deshkar, but they are explained as similar, almost indistinguishable ragas. Or ragas of very contra moods, such as Marwa and Kafi? But this would be appreciated by only the four music scholars on the group.
However, it is a nice theme for an independent series on classical music by you and Subodh. Both of you have the knack to present it in a manner accessible to lay readers.
Ashwin @ 630,
I am disappointed that you have used ‘complimentary’ when you should have used ‘complementary’. I thought you knew the difference.
AK @ 631,
Thanks a ton for the audio link! As for the Ramabhadrans’ cover version, I simply love it but I had not included it because I usually refrain from citing cover versions, however good they are. I agree with your verdict on ‘auron ki to rain andheri/par hai mera din bhi andhera’. But would ‘deep jalaaye, deep bujhaaye’ of the Bahar portion qualify as intra-contra?
Great suggestion wrt ‘Impossible’ songs. Maybe ‘SoY Believe It or Not’ on the lines of ‘Ripley’s Believe It or Not’ would be a better choice. It has the ring of ‘SaReGaMa TVS’ to it, too!
AK @ 634,
Yes, your 1st idea makes sense. Moods can be very subjective and arbitrary even, so I would not venture there.
Ashwin @ 635,
This is from the Ashwin who wrote @ 629. Your 630 @ 635 should have been 629. Looks like you went blindly by the Comment # referred to by AK @ 634. Please verify and validate before you write something.
mumbaikar8 @ 633,
Reading your response made me rue the fact that I had not attached a 🙂 at the end of my limerick @ 630.
AK,
You must be wondering why Ashwin is writing to Ashwin (like ‘Karthik calling Karthik’). It is just that I am conversing with my alter ego. This is a device that is popular in Hindi movies. Will songs in which one is addressing oneself count as contra songs?
Ashwin,
Firstly you are unfair in chastising Ashwin. All the electronic devices have become so smart that they auto-correct, prompt words, making the wrong word the default choice. Blame the device which has become too intelligent. Earlier we were told that computers are idiots, I think they are better that way. If you are into AI, this is a warning for you; make classical music your full-time profession.
Your last query. I am aware of only Sab kuchh luta ke hosh mein aye to kya hua. I think I had given some nomenclature for such songs in my post on ‘Surrogate song’. But a better name would be ‘Ashwin chastising Ashwin Songs’.
Ashwin you make feel like an idiot now.
I should have known better.
@ 615 when AK retreated to his bunker’s chhaon
I thought disengagement will be followed by all.
Now I know I was wrong
‘Chaman mein rehke veerana…’ ; may qualify under intra contra
‘ Chaman mein rahke …’/ 1951 / DEEDAR / Naushad / Shamshad
https://youtu.be/a5tEQfKcO-M
‘ … Nazaron mein teri mai bura sahi admi bura nahi…’ may qualify under intra contra .
Ruk ja O…’/ 1959 / KANHAIYA / SJ / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/adZYDGWbPvw
‘…diya jale….phir bhi andhiyara hai…’
May fit in under intra contra.
‘ raat aur din …’/ 1967 / RAAT AUR DIN / SJ / Lata / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/i9sYzV8QTbM (F)
https://youtu.be/5_bcbJe7D1k (M)
Chaand aur sitaron ki tamanna & raaton ki siyahi… ; may qualify under intra contra…
‘ Maine chaand aur…’/ 1956 / CHANDRAKANTA / N Datta / Rafi
https://youtu.be/lcFM-dP5OEI
‘ Hai sabse madhur woh Geet jise hum dard…’ . This song may fit in under intra contra .
‘ hai sabse madhur…’/ 1953 / PATITA / SJ / Talat
https://youtu.be/KO-StrmHNz8
‘ …Samajhne wale & na samjhe woh Anari …’ — may qualify under intra.
‘ Woh chaand khila…’/ 1959 / ANARI / SJ / Lata , Mukesh
https://youtu.be/OvtU5FYxK-c
AK,
Is this a contra?
Tasveer teri dil mein
https://youtu.be/cBgk0Ho0xkk
ai dil meri aahon mein
https://youtu.be/-4qCznDMS2c
Contrast on Vada
1 gajab kiya tere vaade pe aitbaar kiya – Rafi – KhayyAm
https://youtu.be/ZkQYUh9RLr8
2 gajab kiya tere Wade pe – Mehdi Hasan
https://youtu.be/gRvAN3e9JBg
These two are contrasts in terms of compositions
Rafi’s version is a delicate expression of disappointment while Mehendi Hasan’s is an aggressive anger
& In terms of lyrics the contrast to this gazal is
O mere raja – JNM-Rajinder Krishan- KA
https://youtu.be/StJ2pbZkyDI
Where stunning Hema pleads with Charming Dev
Der se aayi, dur se vaayi
Phir bhi maine wada to nibhyaya
While in Daag’s gazal the Shayar waited for eternity
Tamam umra bhar
Kayamat ka intejar kiya
Mr S Joseph @639, 640, 641, 642, 643,
In these songs intra-contra is clear.
@644,
Samajhanewaale samajh gaye, na smajhe wo anadi hai – The intra-contra is a little week. Had it been the same set of people understanding or not understanding depending on the context, it would have been an unambiguous intra-contra.
Mumbaikar8 @645,
Tasveer teri dil mein jis din se utari hai is a clear celebration of joy at installing her ‘tasveer’ in his ‘dil’. Ae dil meri aahon mein also has the same value for ‘tasveer’ and the hero prays for such power in his sighs that his beloved’s ‘tasveer’ is sighted. I would not put it as a contra song.
Mr Muli @646,
I must say I am impressed by your higher order analysis. I focus more on the first order fits.
‘…shararat kabhi aisi to na thhi…’ ; may qualify as intra contra…
‘ Mast aankhon mein…’/ 1961 / SHAMA / Ghulam Mohammad / Suraiya
https://youtu.be/RpX7Qcrj03U
…dil gham se jal raha hai , jale par dhuan na ho…’ ;
may fit in as intra contra…
‘ Dil gham se jal…’ / 1961 / SHAMA / Ghulam Mohammad / Suman Kalyanpur
https://youtu.be/Zxgr1fqr2HU
… marne na de mohabbat jeene na de zamana… ‘ ;
may fit in as intra contra…
‘ Ek jurm karke…’ / 1961 / SHAMA / Ghulam Mohammad / Suman
https://youtu.be/D1gHtFCPzDE
…pyar karun ya na karun…’
may fit in as intra contra…
‘ Mere mehboob tujhe…’/ 1961 / SHAMA / Ghulam Mohammad / Suman
https://youtu.be/AUEdcNMruHQ
‘ …mujhe qarar nahin jab se beqarar ho tum…’ ;
may fit as intra contra…
‘ Dhadakte dil ki…’/ 1961 / SHAMA / Ghulam Mohammad / Suraiya
https://youtu.be/-P8YaI1BoGw
‘…insaf tera dekha ai saqi -e- maykhana ham baithe rahe pyase chhalka kiya chhalka kiya paimana…’ ; may fit in as intra contra…
‘ Insaaf tera dekha…’/1961 / SHAMA / Ghulam Mohammad / Suman
https://youtu.be/ysQXvRJER_g
Mr.S Joseph @ 654 , AKji, Venkatraman ji, Ashwin ji ;
Thanks for reminding this beautiful raag based song ….‘ Dhadakte dil ki…’/ 1961 / SHAMA .
In Gurubani shabad kirtan I have in store a beautiful shabad which is based on same raag and is intra contra too .
Bhai Dalbir singh ji Darash Tere Ki Pyas Man Laggi…Bhai Dalbir Singh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVXcgKBKczA
AKji, Venkatraman ji, Ashwin ji ;
Some intra contra songs…oldies are melodies…
Kya Mil Gaya Hai Kya Kho Gaya | Mohammed Rafi, Lata Mangeshkar | Sasural 1961…SJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QYS_MZK58M
Kal Ki Daulat Aaj Ki – Dev Anand – Asli Naqli – Rafi – Shankar Jaikishan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuyi-5NbIoE
KABHI RAAT DIN HUM DOOR THAY – AAMNE SAAMNE 1967 – LATA & RAFI…KA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QnDemS73gs
…to be contd.
Mr. Joseph @ 654 , AKji, Venkatraman ji, Ashwin ji ;
Thanks for posting of beautiful raag based song…Dhadakte dil ki…’/ 1961 / SHAMA .
In Gurubani shabad kirtan , I have in store one beautiful intra contra shabad by Bhai Dalbir Singh ji based on same raag . Just listen and get blessed…
Bhai Dalbir singh ji ……..Darash Tere Ki Pyas Man Laggi…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVXcgKBKczA
What a shame. Once I was hailed as co-reviver of this post and now I am posting after more than a month. I last posted on June 15, comment 327. I have never so forgotten one of my favourite topics, unless I got wholly busy and disappeared like RaGa.
On my return, I would first tackle the skirmish on ‘Nain diwane’.
‘There should be no need for a complex reasoning to relate a song to a theme.’ (370), said AK and at 377 Muliji endorsed him. Till then Mumbaikar8 had not given even a reasoning, leave alone complex. She gave her reasons at 373, and I wholly agree that song fits the intra-contra situation.
On seeing this an incident came to my mind, when I was working in Deptt of Official Languages. A friend of mine who was for more than 3 years in the same room and knew I used to do noting in English, came to visit me and finding me working in Hindi asked me how could I do that. I said this is our mother tongue. He replied that Hindi was tough language. I said it has become habit for us to go for dictionary when finding a tough word in English, but as soon as we find a tough word in Hindi, we exclaim ‘kitni mushkil bhasha hai’ without trying to learn it.
The same thing is being repeated here. Muliji at 390 posted a Shakeel ghazal sung by Begum Akhtar as an intra contra. The wording use there is no less tough. But Urdu is propagated as an ornamental language and it is our sacred duty to look in dictionary the meanings of tough words. Here I may tell that I love Urdu and as my father was an Urdu scholar, I have learnt to understand a lot of this language without recourse to dictionary, but still I keep a dictionary. I know for sure that AK has a love for Hindi literature and can understand very tough Hindi poetry. But, from his comment 424 I gather he has not listened to the song with proper attention. At 411 he just explained the situation of the sing. The song is all about the mann and there are no birds or flowers in it. If they are mentioned, they are as similes. This song is very close to my heart. I can not praise it more except say that this song is a feather in the cap of the lyricist, the composer and the singer. Narender Sharma has depicted beautifully the state of the heart which is in love, without using any eloquent wording. The song has, for me, more than one intra contra points, much clearer than some of the songs for which intra-contra situation has been accepted by AK.
Now I will post three contra songs on ‘takrana’, which have been haunting my mind since long time. I rarely post intr-contra songs, because a lyrics buff like me can take something intra-contra in almost every song. To make others understand my intra-contra would create situation like ‘nain deewane’. All the songs are written by Shakeel and composed by Naushad.
First is ‘jab dil se dil takrata hai’ by Rafi from Sunghursh. I like listening to the audio of this song, because the video forces me to think ‘jab budha dil jawaan dil se takrata hai’ and the beauty of the lyrics is likely to be lessened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbqyf75dES0
In the second song the situation is reversed. Dilip Kumar is young and is singing love songs to a heroine, whom hardly anyone would call beautiful and to make matters worse she is torturing him so he has to sing ‘takra gaya tumse dil hi to hai’. Singer is Rafi, film is Aan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC75s39i91g
In the third song the singer is hoping that ‘kabhi dil dil se takrata to hoga’. Singer is Mukesh and film is Anokhi Ada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j9Yyg_ilxM
There were contra songs on ‘khidki’ but nobody mentioned ‘thandi thandi sawan ki fuhar’ by Asha – film Jaagte Raho. The song is picturised on Sumitra Devi, one of the most perfect and beautiful faces in hfm, for whom nobody wrote any article.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xoafD9iKrY
Another song on khidki ‘aa meri jaan laga le mujhko gale, varna de dunga jaan teri khidki tale’. Was she asking for the khidki to be closed for the fear of this lover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqLyBaW9kZI
I know these two are contra songs, but can anybody tell which came first and which later. Did Raj Kumar first asked her ‘Aaj is darja pila do’ and then did the customary ‘tauba’ ‘jitni likhi thi muqaddar men’ or vice versa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPZGY48gAsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDKkjt8CBmA
Hans ji @ 662
If my understanding is right ordinarily a person should do something & then say tauba but occasionally there are persons who do tauba & then perform the tauba act( humne bhi unko chup chup ke aate dekha in galiyo me)
But considering that it is jaani I would presume that aaj is darza would have come first especially he would be hoping that ilzaam kisi aur ke sir jayega
‘ ..kal khwab sunahraa thaa jitna haay zindagi teri raahon mein aaj andhere hai utna…’
May fit in as intra contra…
‘ Do chamakti aankhon …’ / 1958 /DETECTIVE / Mukul Roy / Geeta Dutt
https://youtu.be/6UPdS0k_Vj4
AK, 648
dil ke ā.īne meñ hai tasvīr-e-yār
jab zarā gardan jhukā.ī dekh lī
This sher is the basic idea of the song of Tasverr teri dil me.
Even it was a long distant song it would be full of joy while the other song the hero sighs for his beloved’s tasveer .
That is the contrast.
“jab zarā gardan jhukā.ī dekh lī”
Just like, a devotee in this time of corona sighing away “oh I cannot visit temples to get darshan”, while
the other would close eyes and get saksat darshan.
One “dil ke ā.īne meñ hai tasvīr-e-yār “ type song from Fareb
more man me sama
https://youtu.be/9mcp6osdHhk
Tasveer teri dil mein jis din se utari hai – Is this a long distance song? In the video link Dev Anand and Mala Sinha are looking at each other and coming nearer. However, I can see your philosophical reading in the last part. I have to accept it, especially after powerful of Hans for your Nain deewane.
Muliji @ 663
Jaani would say to both of us, “Jaani, tum hamen badnaam karne ki koshish kar rahe ho. Par chalo sharaabi bata kar bhi tumne hamen yaad to kiya”.
@ 646
Though songs with words like ‘gazab kiya tera wade pe aitbaar kiya’ hardly have the possibility of getting an exact contra song, but there is one. ‘Ye na thi hamari kismat ke visale yaar hota’ does have the lines
Tere wade par jiye hum to ye jaan jhooth jana,
ke khushi se mar na jaate agar aitbaar hota.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hw6tKjEk_8
And there was also a ‘seedha saada banda’ who was ‘maara gaya’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azgIsRAInVw
Mumbaikar8
‘more man men sama gaye aise piya
jahan nain jhuke wahin dekh liya’
Well connected. What a sweet song.
Though Dev Anand was satisfied with tasveer of Mala Sinha, for Sadhana he wanted to make a ‘but’ and for Nutan he even made a ghar just opposite her ghar.
Hans ji
Ye na thi hamari kismat is a perfect contra for gazab Kiya in the context of the lines quoted by you.
But in vaada Tera vaada, Kaka knows her inside out . In the opening lines itself he says jhutha hai Tera vaada & then goes on to submit vaade pe tere mara gaya. Intra-contra as well as harakiri.
I wanted to post two songs, but just clicked submit by mistake.
There was this buddy who refused to give a tasveer and his friend joined him in refusing. Perhaps he was also a votary of seeing the ‘tasveer gardan jhuka ke’.
‘Meri tasveer lekar kya karoge’ – Rafi, Balbir, Asha – Samundar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNYwneo08xQ
These two have only seen the tasveer and can not make out what kind of person the other would be. ‘Ye zulf kaisi hai’ – Rafi and Lata from Piya Ka Ghar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekKboaSX8tE
Mr Joseph @650,
Mast aankhon mein sharaarat kabhi aisi to na thi – ‘Shama’ (1961) – ‘The wayward eyes were never so naughty‘. Naughtiness is a characteristic of wayward eyes. Explanation needed for intra-contra.
@651,
Dil gham se jal raha hai phir bhi dhuan na ho – Shama – Very nice intra-contra song.
@652,
Ek jurm karke humne…Marne na de mohabbat jeene na de zamana – Shama – Beautiful song by Suman Kalyanpur and very nice contra.
@653,
Mere mehboob tujhe..pyar karun ya na karun – Shama – The lady is conflicted what to do. Nice intra-contra.
@654,
Dhadakate dil ki tamannaon..Mujhe qaraar nahin jab se beqaraar hai tu – Shama – Both are beqaraar. Though opposite words are used, one is with a negative. Is this an intra-contra song.
@655,
Insaaf tera dekha ae saaqi-e=maikhana/Hum baithe rahe pyase chhalka kiya paimana – Beautiful mujra song by Suman Kalyanpur and a very nice intra-contra song. Heard for the first time. Thanks for posting it. You have churned nectar thoroughly from Shama (1961). Great effort.
@664,
Do chamakati aankhon min kal khwab sunahra tha jitna/ Haye zindagi teri raahon mein aaj andhera hai utna – ‘Detective’ (1958). Nice intra-contra song.
KS Bhatiaji @656, 658,
Daras tere ki pyas man mein laagi is beautiful shabad. It has uncanny similarity with Dhadakate dil ki tamannaon. Since Guru Granth Sahib also mentions ragas for each Gurubani, this has to be an older composition than the film song from Shama (1961). Experts may please throw light on this.
@Hans 659,
You have made a powerful re-entry. On Nain deewane, after the stalwarts have entered the arena I have nothing more to say.
@660,
I liked your explanation of the subtle difference between three songs on takrana.
@661,
If you include Shaam dhale khidki tale tum seeti bajana chhod do, it is a perfect contra to ..De dungi jaan khidki tale.
There are a number of songs praising the motherland. But a song praising a foreign country may be rare. But Biswajeet is doing the same in ‘jee lagta nahin apna in desi nazaron men’ from Pyar Ka Sapna.
https://youtu.be/gepFh89Mf48
As a contra I present a song from Prithvi Vallabh. ‘Panchhi ud chal apne desh’ sung by Menaka and Rafiq Ghaznavi.
https://youtu.be/WIRVKmhWt6w
‘ Dil ka lagana ‘ in its various forms is commonly used in HFM.
This could be a possible contra pair…
‘ Kisi na kisi…’/ 1964 / KASHMIR KI KALI / OPN / Rafi
https://youtu.be/LTCshRCT-6I
&
‘ Iss duniya mein…’/ 1949 / DILLAGI / Naushad / Rafi
https://youtu.be/B9g3i9Bui9w
A possible contra pair…
‘ Dil na lagaana…/ 1954 / MISS MALA / Chitragupt / Shamshad
https://youtu.be/B3spMuPpSOg
&
‘ Dil laga kar…’ / 1967 / AROUND THE WORLD / SJ / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/HVcz38_8GWk
My previous post @676 is a mistake and is not a contra pair.
Hans @ 660
Jab do dil takraye then you get the obvious outcome.
Dil se dil takraye love marriage
https://youtu.be/GnNuOojyOio
Some doubt in Nazar ke takrane me.
Nazaro Se Nazar Ka Takrana Fariyadi 1953
https://youtu.be/PfCwkaA2soE
Hans @ 667
Yeh nathi hamari qismat is perfect contra of ghazab kiya tere vaade pe aitbaar kiya
Mr. Muli @ 46 AK @ 408
You are vexed about do akele and hum akele and AK was discussing bhhed ke beech akela what would say to this “do dilon ka caravan”
Apart from that this Manna Dey Anil Biswas beauty was hidden from me. I just checked Jignesh had posted it , but I somehow missed it.
Do Sitare-1951-Manna Dey-Ik Do Dilon Ka Kafila
https://youtu.be/LOBlK_MxqDU
Ms.mumbaikar 8 @678 , Hans ji ;
Nazaro Se Nazar Ka Takrana Fariyadi 1953 is a listener delight . A further contra song could be ….
ae dilruba nazren mila..lata -jaan nisar akhtar- sajjad hussain-rustam sohrab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTSHU88yWag
Hans ji @674;
Both …‘jee lagta nahin apna in desi nazaron men’ from Pyar Ka Sapna and
‘Panchhi ud chal apne desh’ from Prithvi Vallabh are new to me and are contra feeling songs …..a great listening . One more song contra to Pyar Ka Sapna song could be ….
Yun Nind Se Vo Jaan E Chaman | Kishore Kumar | Dard Ka Rishta | Rahul Dev Burman | Anand Bakshi…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmcHnVC2H8c
AK ji @672 ;
Yourself…..
…….Since Guru Granth Sahib also mentions ragas for each Gurubani, this has to be an older composition than the film song from Shama (1961). ……
Very true . The raag is specifically indicated before Shabad gurubani in Granth Sahib . However depending upon the season some reciters choose other raags and that seems to be OK .
Some composers Like Jagjit Singh have their own tunes for certain shabad kirtans . For this particular Shabad ….Daras tere ki pyaas…here is his version…
Daras Tere Ki Pyaas Mann Laagi with Lyrics |दरस तेरे की प्यास मन्न लागी|Jagjit Singh|Guru Nanak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69NUPhr5y4Q&t=164s
Hans @662,
Lat me try to answer your chicken and egg question. In Aaj is darja pila de the barmaid complies with the customer’s demand as far as possible. But she is also a responsible person, and at some stage she tries to persuade Raj Kumar that this endless drinking will destroy him, and finally puts a full stop. Raj Kumar is cognizant of his problem and sings the second song, Jitni likhi thi muqaddar mein hum utni pi chuke.
@674,
Chal ud ja re panchhi ki ab ye desh hua begana seems to be a perfect contra to Panchhi ud chal apne desh
Mr Joseph @675,
Kisi na kisi se kahin na kahin kabhi na kabhi dil lagana padega: Shammi Kapoor is on top of the world, for him ‘dil ka lagana’ is an inevitability. Is duniya mein ae dilwaalo dil ka lagana khel nahin: In this song Shyam must have suffered some setback in the ‘khel’ of ‘dil ka lagana’ and sings this song in a pensive mood as a warning to others. Nice contra pair.
Mumbaikar8 @679,
Ek do dilon ka kafila: How many you need to make a ‘kafila’? If you try to define precisely anything more than one is a ‘kafila’.
AK ji, Hans ji, Mumbaikar Ji, Venkatraman ji :
Some time happiness has to be balanced by sadness . If darkness is a measure of sadness then Happiness is largely a measure of Brightness…which is largely by choice.
Contra songs makes me think twice ….how I am going to orient my self to sadness when I am too happy!!
dil mein sama gaye sajan..Lata_Rajinder K_Sajjad Hussain_Sangdil1952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyJBkxQKQPA
Hyderabad Ki Nazneen – Nazron Mein Samane Se…Raj Kumari…Vasant Desai….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOzVnq2wtmA
KS Bhatiaji @682,
Thanks for the clarification and Jagjit Singh’s link for the same Shabad. I must say Bhai Dalbir Singh’s singing more.
@686,
Nazron mein samaane se qaraar aa na sakega: Beautiful song, heard for the first time, and perfect contra to Dil mei sama gaye sajan. Thanks for posting it.
Would this pair qualify, atleast based on the contrasting mukhdas ?
“Chhodo kal ki baatein’ by Mukesh (MD – Usha Khanna, Lyricist – Prem Dhawan), from ‘Hum Hindustani’ (1960)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ71CWqgvdY
‘Kal ke sapne aaj bhi aana’ by Lata Mangeshkar (MD – Naushad, Lyricist – Shakeel Badayuni), from ‘Aadmi’ (1968)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbRkEAueb24
The back-up candidate for Song #2 is
‘Kal ke sapne aaj bhi aana’ by Suman Kalyanpur (MD -Bulo C.Rani, Lyricist – ??), from Shri Ganesh (1962)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iolY8h_RAR4
BTW, I think this song compares to the ‘Shabistan’ song in Ranganji’s post on Naseem Banu in that it has a voice that has not been credited and I think the voice belongs to Kamal Barot.
Muliji @ 669
Truck driver and tawaif are both slippery people, so they both know each other well. There the driver in the august company forgot to put brakes while drinking and when he went on the road, forgot putting brakes on his vehicle.
AK @ 673
Sham dhale khidki tale was mentioned by someone earlier, but in the matter of contra songs that should not be a bar, because one song can be contra to others too. So this is a perfect contra.
Josephji @ 675
Perfect contra. In ‘is duniya men’ the hero was speaking from his own experience, while in ‘kisi na kisi se’ he was raw and full of energy. But, the character in Kashmir Ki Kali stayed positive in adversity and sang ‘ye duniya usiki zamana usika’. This in fact can also be a contra to ‘is duniya men’.
Many thanks for posting so many of my favourites during my absence. It appears our preferences are a lot similar.
Mumbaikar8 @ 678
You are still putting up rarities. This Fariyadi song I heard long time back when I made a list of Rafi songs for this year and I had almost forgotten. Pramodini Desai was given a lot of songs in this film. The rare category lyricist Muzaffar Orakjai wrote good lyrics in some songs. The Rafi solo in that film ‘jal jal ke shama ki tarah fariyad na karna, main yaad bhi aaun to mujhe yaad na karna’ can serve as a contra for some yaad rakhna songs.
@ 679
I dont know how but this ‘do dilon ka kafila’ brought to mind two duets.
‘In baharon men akele na firo’ from Mamta. Here she boasts ‘mujhko ye kali ghata rokegi kya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXOj7KdXGBs
Then comes ‘tum akele to kabhi baag men jaya na karo’ from Aao Pyar Karen. And the response, she is neither boastful like nor teasing like ‘bikhra ke zulfen chaman men na jana’, but straight confronts him with the same line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIVZMaAolzA
Bikhra ke zulfen from Nazrana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99Sw0yGQbI
Now about ‘do dil’ and ‘duniya’.
Ab do dilon ki muskil aasaan ho gayi hai
duniya ko muhabbat ki pehchan ho gayi hai – Pooja Ke Phool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXBL2BzrsgM
How mistaken they were. Came the duniyawalon ka badla and she was singing
do dil toote do dil haare, duniyawalo sadke tumhare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRZ3OFfSPTU
AK @ 685
“If you try to define precisely anything more than one is a ‘kafila’.”
Did you forget to use a smiley there?
To carry it even further I would say why more than one.
हमारे जैसों का, एक का भी काफिला होता है
Bhatiaji @680
You said it right Nazraon se nazar ka takrane is listener delight, glad I found it at the right time to post it here.
@ 686
Nazron ke Samane by Raj Kumari is one too.
Would you agree with me if I say this song is a female expression of
Tasveer teri dil mera bahla na sakengi
https://youtu.be/D5P2iJh-Lqk
Hans @ 692
Fariyadi song just fell into my lap (literally) I was searching something and to my surprise it popped upon my laptop.
Big Brother was Meherbaan.
In baharon me akele na
In fact, last few weeks I was debating with self whether In baharon me akele, can be a contra song to
Yeh wadiyan ye fizayen bula rahi hai tumhe.
You know how strict AK is in giving green light to my contra songs, I was reluctant.
Now is the time to do it to take the debate to the floor.
https://youtu.be/M1l52x3wXYw
‘Mujhe tum se mohabbat hai magar mai kah nahi sakta magar mai kya karun bole bina bhi rah nahi sakta…’
may fit in as intra contra…
‘ Mujhe tum se …’/ 1963 / BACHPAN / Sardar Malik / Rafi
https://youtu.be/QQ6lNNaNMok
‘ Tujhe kho diya hamne pane ke bad …’
May fit in as intra contra song…
‘ Tujhe kho diya…’/ 1952 / AAN / Naushad / Lata
https://youtu.be/zMO_U8v2Bvg
‘ … Shikaar karne ko aaye shikaar hoke chale…’
May fit in as intra contra
‘ Tumhare pyar mein …’ / 1968 / SHIKAR / SJ / Rafi
https://youtu.be/Vi_uN9BntoE
Do din ki mohabbat mein hamne kuchh khoya hai kuchh paaya hai…’
May fit in under intra contra song
‘ Do din ki …/ 1957 / CHHOTE BABU / MM / Talat
https://youtu.be/Dz6eZJF6b1s
Contra @ 700
Dil ka lagana creates dil me jagah
1 Apne dil me jagah dijiye – Hawas- Usha Khanna- Sawankumar tak
Tak dabbling into controversial extra marital affair theme & Bindu ensnaring Anil in her trap
https://youtu.be/hWN_1KIyZmo
2 Aur nahi bas aur nahi
Dil me jagah nahi baki
– RK aur Makan – LP- Santosh Anand
A very stern Bharat & even sterner Mahendra Kapoor not yielding an inch
https://youtu.be/wGJo1h2gaiE
Bhatiaji @ 681
Yes, perfect fit as AK would say it and a nice song. RDB produced very few compositions like this after SDB’s death.
We saw this film in a cinema hall, because Sunil Dutt is a favourite of my wife and the subject was also dear to her heart, because my mother-in-law died of cancer. In fact almost all of Ajanta Arts films are watchable.
AK ji;
Congratulations on achieving another milestone . This goes to all the members who contributed untiringly . Expectations are still high for achieving maxima .
Hans ji @701;
Both Kishore and RDB deserved awards for the song from …Dard Ka Rishta . This raag based composition is amazing . In the past Asha ji sang a song based on same raag and got the filmfare award. The song….Hone lagi hai raat jawaan jagte raho…from Naina composed by Shankar Jaikishan .
Ms. mumbaikar8 @694;
Yes. Another one could be ….
LATA JI~Film~SARGAM~{1950}~Tasweer-e-Yaar Dilse Mitayi Na Gayi,Koi Kisi Ka…CR at his best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb8JLURpwVI
AK @ 683
The situation described by you is fit. But, the sharaabis are so sensitive that if they brought a quarter and that is finished without quenching his thirst and no further quota is in ready supply, they can invoke muqaddar even for that. In fact, I had noted down this pair when the discussion on sharaabis and their contribution to our economy was going on as a result of opening of liquor shops. At that time I put ‘jitni likhi thi’ for lockdown position and the other after opening of shops. Actually, when Bansi Lal imposed darubandi in Haryana, many daruwalas had the same question ‘jitni likhi thi’ in mind when they asked ‘ab hamara kya hoga’. But soon the problem was solved when home delivery a la Gujrat started. When Bansi Lal saw police revenue has increased manifold as Govt revenue went down, he reversed his decision.
‘Chal ud ja re panchhi’ fits perfectly. In fact, that is the beauty of the topic. One song fits as contra to many and the searching exercise is fun and provides satisfaction too.
Hans ji , AK ji ;
Your Truck driving episode reminds me to look for Taxi Driver songs. This navketan ‘s movie had a number of beautiful and lots of variety of songs which are as fresh to dates .
An intra contra song from Taxi Driver….
Taxi Driver – Jaaye To Jaaye Kahan-Male version…Talat…Sahir…SDB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nfxxCtp6Q8
AK ji,
A few intra contra songs….hoping they are not repeats….
दुखी मन मेरे सुन मेरा कहना #Dukhi mann mere # film FUNTOOSH…Kishore SDB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO5p467Yix8
Zindagi Aaj Mere Naam Se….Rafi…. Son Of India….Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZA2b1mMSc&t=85s
Na Milta Gham Toh Barbadi | Amar…Lata…Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWF1LTWEUV8
Jawab – 1955 – Aaj Gam Kal Kushi…Rafi…Nashad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hux2gvFVow0
A song that may fit in as intra contra..
Kabhi hai gham …’/ 1954 / WARIS / Anil Biswas / Rafi
https://youtu.be/wcEYCapYDi4
AK @ 685, Mumbaikar8 @ 693
One man army was an old phrase, but for us Hindi movie fans, the ambulance accompanier AB was this. He spoke the line ‘hum jahan khade ho jate hain line wahin se shuru ho jati hai’. He would close the exit door and then beat the scum out of whatever number of people were inside. It is a different matter that one punch by Puneet Issar of Mahabharat fame landed him in hospital. Another single haddi one man army Anil Kapoor fractured his leg when he jumped from a two feet high wall during shooting. He perhaps refused the double seeing the wall was just two feet high.
But SOY is a different matter. Look at our one man army for this post S Joseph. His recent runs 592-600, 639-644, 650-655. We are well aware of what our other claimants of one man army title KS Bhatia and Dr Shetty can achieve.
Bhatiaji @ 686, Mumbaikar8 694
Rajkumari song is great. I rate her so high for songs like this. I agree with Mumbaikar8 that this is female version of ‘tasveer teri’. Sahir used the same idea in another tasveer song ‘jo baat tujhmen hai’ from Taj Mahal. Look at the difference in the luck of the Raj Kumari song and Rafi song.
This luck or naseeb reminded me of another 3 songs with ‘naseeb’.
Dilip Kumar sang ‘naseeb dar pe tere’ in Deedar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQuDCrbsLvc
Ajit and Manoj kumar also tried their ‘naseeb’. Let us see what they got.
Ajit – Main khushnaseeb hoon in Tower House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JGZ1Oj99So
Manoj Kumar – Naseeb men jiske jo likha tha in Do Badan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoJ-iiWsLJA
Hansji
Another contra pair on naseeb
1 mere Naseeb me ye dost
https://youtu.be/aPVvXlnV3Vg
2 main khushnaseeb hoon
https://youtu.be/1JGZ1Oj99So
Dil ka lagana – good for some but not good for some …
A possible contra pair…
Here you see the happiness and merrymaking in one case and in the contra you see the heart broken …
‘ Hai dil laga…’ / 1971 / PREETAM / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/v_tBGUzrANg
& the possible contra
‘ Muft huwe Badnam…’/ 1960 / BARAAT / Chitragupt / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/JtYiroPAOSg
A possible pair in … Dil ka lagana …
Here she says ‘ Dil na lagana ‘ as you would regret later but in the other case she says ‘…Dil lagake dekh …’ –
‘ Dil na lagaana dil ka lagana bahut bura … ‘/ 1954 / MISS MALA / Chitragupt / Shamshad
https://youtu.be/B3spMuPpSOg
& the possible contra
(c) ‘ Thodasa dil lagake …’/ 1955 / MUSAFIRKHANA / OPN / Rafi , Shamshad
https://youtu.be/QvH5ns1XHpE
( I read elsewhere that this is the only song where Mohammad Rafi did not have to say a single word in a song )
Dil ka lagana…
This song may fit in as intra contra…
‘ Dil laga kar…’ / 1967 / AROUND THE WORLD / SJ / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/HVcz38_8GWk
Ashwin @688,
Chhodo kal ki baatein talks of moving beyond past to a new era. Kal ke sapne aaj bhi aana from Aadmi (1968) is still nostalgic about the past. Perfect contra. Its back up with the same mukhada I heard for the first time, thanks a lot.
AK @ 715,
Thanks for the approval of my contra entry!!! As for the back-up song, it had been shared by KS Bhatiaji in a comment on the Dreams post and that was when I got to hear it first.
AK,
Congratulations on the 700 milestone!
I say that with an admiring tone
Since you do not appear to be intimidated
By the flood of comments which continues unabated
Unlike me who to fatigue is prone
Mumbaikar8 @ 695
The reluctance on your part was unnecessary. One is calling her to go to nature and other is cautioning her, so it is easily a contra song.
After posting ‘do dil’ contra I searched songs of Do Dil again. There is an old favourite of mine which could explain why the hero was stropping the heroine from going to the baag. When she went to the baag was caught by something which created this song ‘kanton men phansa anchal’ and the hero also suffered because he lost his dil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRGABMaxGtU
AKji
Will this qualify as a contra.
Two extremely contrasting levels of confidence
1 Wo na aayege palatkar unhe lakh hum manaye – Devdas- Mubarak begum – Sahir – SDB
https://youtu.be/vnabuaQy2qE
2 tere Sur aur mere geet- Goonj Uthi Shenai-Bharat Vyas- Vasant Desai
Mujhko agar bhool jaoge tum
Mujhse agar rooth jaaoge tum
Meri mohobat me tasir hai
To khhechke mere pas aaoge tum
https://youtu.be/ljG6atDKyxo
First to reach the 700 mark.
Congartulations Akj.
Posting a pair of contra ,
Bahut shukriya badee meherbanee
Meree jindagee me hujur aap aaye
Kadam chum lu ya ke aankhe bicha du
Karun kya yeh meree samaj me na aaye
Ek Musafir Ek Hasina (1962)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHKt5GX7Am4
Mujhe Dard-e-Dil Ka Pata Na Tha
Mujhe Aap Kis Liye Mil Gaye
Main Akele Yun Hi Maje Mein Tha
Mujhe Aap Kis Liye Mil Gaye
Aakash Deep (1965)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r98PY_lPeR4
Mumbaikar8 @693,
I defined ‘kafila’ as more than one in a matter-of-fact manner. It is possible that an enlightened soul sees the entire universe within himself/herself. So you deserve a salute, not a smiley! Hans has endorsed you without going to metaphysical plane, and in a very practical manner – ‘One man army’ which is itself a perfect contra to ‘भीड़ के बीच अकेला’
@695,
‘Ye wadiyan ye fizayen bula rahI hain humein‘ the vista is beckoning you. In In bahaaron mei akele na phiro is an advisory against venturing there (due to the dangers). Perfect contra. A contra is a contra whoever posts it. 🙂
Mr S Joseph @696,
Mujhe tumse mohabbat hai magar main kah nahin sakta: We have accepted ‘To be or not to be’ as intra-contra songs.
@697,
Tujhe kho diya humne paane ke baad, tere jaane ke baad teri yaad ayi: This is a beautiful Naushad composition and a perfect intra-contra song.
@698,
Tumhare pyar mein humbeqaraar ho ke chale/ Shikar karne ko aye shikar ho ke chale: Perfect intra-contra song.
@699,
Do din ki mohabbat mein humne kuchh khoya hai kuchh paya hai: Nice intra-contra song.
@708,
Kabhi hai gham kabhi khushiyan: Perfect intra-contra. Other lines too are intra-contra.
@712,
Haye dil laga to aisa laga, charcha gali gali: We presume by Mumtaz’s exuberance that the charcha is not slanderous. Thus Muft huye badnaam becomes a perfect contra song.
@713,
Di na lagana bahut bura and Thoda sa dil laga ke dekh is a nice contra pair. Rafi’s yodelling is excellent. There are many duets in which one singer only hums, I am not sure if this is Rafi’s only one of the kind.
@714,
Dil lagakar aapse pachhataya may be considered a weak intra-contra. Because every song of failure in love would fall in this category.
AK,
SOY is surely helping to cope with this depressing time.
Congratulations.
Special thanks to Mr. Joseph for keeping the blog alive and kicking.
Are we are getting even better with time?
Contrasting views on dil la aitbaar
Dil Ka Na Karna Aitbar Koi – Halaku
https://youtu.be/yGfHpqQ5X10
Dil Ne Ye Kaha Hai Dil Se (Dhadkan)
https://youtu.be/IpLji-1n_Ko
AK ji, Hans ji, Mumbaikar ji , Venkatraman ji;
Two intra contra songs that made a great hearing . Hansraj Behal composed both the songs one for hindi movie sung by Talat and other for Punjabi movie sung by Rafi . Hear and enjoy….
Aaye Bhi Akela Jaye Bhi Akela…Talat…Dost….HB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9lUqd5gLTc
Jag Wala Mela Yaaro Mohammad Rafi Film Lachhi Music Hansraj Behl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpBrcRpR-Uc
to be contd…
Joseph ji ;
Thanks for the melody….Haye dil laga to aisa laga, charcha gali gali….. This song we used to play during our college days. Three students of our institute were perfect in playing Piano accordion , Harmonica and Guitar . A bunch of students perfected their skills in playing Drums, Bongos , flutes etc . The Music club was fantastic and we used to bring 90 percent of trophies and prizes . I I T delhi had some great auditoriums , both open and closed, to perform with right acoustics . The above melody took me back to old golden days.
Ms. mumbaikar 8 @ 723;
The song …Dil Ka Na Karna Aitbar Koi – Halaku…is again a perfect one ; needless to say it is my favorite song of my favorite film . Pran was fantastic in his make up very close to Halaku character . This song makes a good contra song with …Dil Ne Ye Kaha Hai Dil Se (Dhadkan).
I am working on another song contra to Halaku song…will post when found.
AK ji;
One man Army ! Well I am of the opinion …we should declare Five man Army or Gang of Four .
The contributions have never been like this. …and still it is going on . The graph is like Parabola refusing its touch down on X axis .
After ‘duniya’ and ‘do dil’ we go to ‘duniya’ and ‘deewar’. Two high grade songs from low grade films picturised on heroines of such films Sonia Sahni and Helen.
‘Ban gayi deewar duniya aa nahin sakte,
pake tera pyar tujhko pa nahin sakte.’ – Lata – Johar in Kashmir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6RVgPtr5Jg&t=73s
‘Hum pyar kiye jayenge koi rok sake to rok le,
chahe ye duniya deewar bane, ya maut gale ka haar bane
hum phir bhi unhen chahenge koi rok sake to rok le.’ – Aaya Toofan – Lata.
The idea behind the song and its picturisation reminds me of ‘pyar kiya to darna kya’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8or3FQIGEr0
Mehmood sings this song in the film Rakhi in the voice of Rafi.
Ae ishq teri jai ho, ae ishq teri jai ho,
ik pyar bhara dil de ik pyar ke dushman ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5zmFHwffA
But later he changed his mind and sang
‘Dushman hai zamana thainge se’ – Patthar Ke Sanam – Rafi and Mehmood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpjuP3fCdE
Continuing with dushman.
‘Mere dushman tu meri dosti ko tarse’ is a well known song. He is summarily cursing his lover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClOyNlOzBRQ
‘Ae dushman e jaan chal diya kahan’ is the call Mumtaz is giving to Manoj kumar in Patthar Ke Sanam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyi9HWEAyE
There was a dosti and dushmani relationship, though in jest, between Mehmood and Shobha Khote with funny picturisation in Bharosa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWx8gSFV9fg
And here Mumtaz calls Rajesh Khanna a ‘dushman jo doston se pyara hai’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIkkKBhtvCY
Kishore Kumar goes philosophical in ‘samjhauta gamon se kar lo’ in film of the same name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91mA7GA6mIk
Mohammad Rafi believes and sings ‘gham uthane ke liye main to jiye jaunga’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJBqyi-o4qw
But, Kishore Kumar himself forgets his philosophy and equates gham with fasana. Gham ka fasana ban gaya achha – Manchali.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwrsRAZHE3Q
See the contrast in two gems of Lata.
Pyar ki dastan tum suno to kahen – Faraar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxNbZQs4pWs
Jo humne dastan apni sunayi aap kyun roye – Wo Kaun Thi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf3RhMt_ljU
Mohabbat zinda rahti hai – Changez Khan – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl_8HM_M0PQ
Gujre hain aaj ishq men hum us makam se
nafrat si ho gayi hai mohabbat ke naam se. – Dil Diya Dard Liya – Rafi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whcA7xsTg_I
‘ …Jo saathh waqt ke chala woh mard hai , jo rah gaya woh raaste ki gard hai…’
May fit in under intra contra…
‘ Le chala jidhar …/ 1957 / MISS BOMBAY / Hansraj Behl / Rafi
https://youtu.be/cR-4uP-TLYQ
Yeh Bambai shehar ka bada naam hai par gadbad ghotaale ka har kaam hai…’
‘ Yeh Bambai Shehar…/ 1959 / KYA YEH BAMBAI HAI / Bipin Datta / Rafi
https://youtu.be/hGPM_oR-JMs
‘…Jisko jeena hai marna seekh le …’
This may fit in under intra contra songs…
‘ Zindagi mein pyar…’ / 1966 / PHOOL AUR PATHAR / Ravi / Asha & chorus
https://youtu.be/YYlicdnykOE
‘ ye sach hai ae jaha waalo humein jina nahi aaya, mare ham sau baar jite ji magar marna nahi aaya…’
This may fit under intra contra songs
‘ Yeh sachh hai…’/ 1959 / KAL HAMARA HAI / Chitragupt / Rafi
https://youtu.be/ORxxLYTHT_g
‘ … Aaj apna ho na ho par kal hamara hai… ‘
This song may fit in as intra contra.
‘ Aaj apna ho…’/ 1959 / KAL HAMARA HAI / Chitragupt / Rafi , Sudha Malhotra & chorus
https://youtu.be/LpwNAxQTF-o
Ashwin @717,
Thanks for your compliments. If it is a milestone, the credit goes to MR Joseph and other readers. Now readers will decide when to stop. Nice limerick (I will not make my poor attempt).
Mr Muli @719,
Wo na ayenge palat kar unhein laakh hum bulayein – He will not come back however I may call him.
There is so much power in my love that he would come drawn towards me.
A perfect contra pair.
Venkataramanji @720,
I am grateful that you came to my life. The second song says, I was so happy with myself, why did you have to come across me? Perfect contra pair.
Thanks for your compliments. The readers do not seem to be relenting. There must be several more contra songs.
Mumbaikar8 @723,
You have rightly mentioned Mr Joseph for pushing this one. So congratulations to him. Your two songs are very good contra pair.
KS Bhatiaji @727,
The Gang of Four or the Five Men Army must be feeling very happy at their success. My compliments too to everyone.
Bhatiaji @726
Halaku had good music, I have not seen the movie. I think I should start seeing some black and white movies.
I am curious now. Are you looking for another contra of the same song or other song from Halaku?
Hans @730
In Mere dushman he is cursing lover by calling her “dushman” but here blatantly he is saying
Awaaz hai yeh pyar ki tadponge ko muskaonga, tadpa hoon to tadpaonga.
Yeh kaisa pyar hai?
Andhakar~1955~Awaaz Hai Ye Pyar Ki Tadpoge To Muskaoonga~Mukesh
It has khwab in antara, but I do not want to burden Ashwin with new comments. He is working very hard to clear the backlog
https://youtu.be/egAAUxQ33b0
Ms. mumbaikar @ 744;
Yes. Contra to Halaku song….Dil ka na karna aitbaar koyi…could be….
Dil to Hai Dil Dil Ka Aitbaar Kya Kijiye – Maqadar Ka Sikandar…Lata..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikOjyS3ghr0
My catchment area for classic movies are surely of B & W era. I am not tired of Watching such movies unless they belong to musicals of colour era too. Last week I enjoyed a masterfully directed Oscar winner of 1941 movie…How green was my valley… a must watch for down to art movie goers.
AK ji;
If interlude is contra to a stanza …. a song of the likes of ….Main nashe mein hun…could be a set for a qualifying song.
SAJAN SANG KAHE NEHA … SINGER, LATA MANGESHKAR … FILM, MAIN NASHE MEIN HOON (1959)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWDTWsuj6io
In the first song she asks him to say everything to her . In the second he says it all to her …
Perhaps a possible contra pair …
(There may be better pairing songs)
‘ Agar mujhse mohabbat…’/ 1964 / AAP KI PARCHHAIYAN / MM / Lata
https://youtu.be/gfDf-IrA5oQ
& the possible contra
‘ Tujhe kya sunaoon…’/ 1958 / AAKHRI DAO / MM / Rafi
https://youtu.be/xERzvRZVK3M
A possible intra contra song…
Paise ka kya yakeen , kabhi hai ye to kabhi nahin…’
‘ Paise ka kya yakeen…’/ 1970 / SUHANA SAFAR / LP / Rafi
https://youtu.be/ZWV_36Mks6w
This song also refers to Sapna .
Here the two who are travelling together do not agree with each other .
A possible intra contra …
‘ Duniya yeh kahati…’/ 1957 / MISS BOMBAY / Hansraj Behl / Rafi , Suman
https://youtu.be/oNIT0nK9iDw
Meena Kumari playing a ‘kaali ladki’ opposite Dharmendra, sings this classic song which is natural in the situation. ‘Krishna o kale krishna’ from Main Bhi Ladki Hoon.
https://youtu.be/DH9YfoQk_RI
Mehmood is carefree about his colour in Gumnaam flaunting his quality of ‘dilwala’ to balance. ‘Hum kale hain to kya hua’.
https://youtu.be/ILgrhR9rjyM
But what has happened to Nutan. She is ready to exchange her gora ang with shyam rang. ‘Mora gora ang lai lai’ from Bandini.
https://youtu.be/G_kC682uats
Hans @728,
I am sorry I am catching up with your comments after two days. In the first song there is resigned acceptance of the wall created by the world. In the second song, The lady does not care whether the world becomes a wall or a death necklace. Perfect contra.
@729,
In the first song the lover seeks mitigation for love’s enemy by wishing for him a loving heart. In the second song, he does not care if the world is enemy of love. A good contra pair.
@730,
Your explanation of the lyrics of all the songs is superb.
@731,
Gham ka fasana ban gaya achcha: You have connected it superbly to Samjhauta ghamon se kar lo and Gham uthane ke liye main to jiye jaaunga.
@732,
In Pyar ki dastan tum suno to kahein, there is a fear how he will take it and, therefore, she is seeking his prior consent. In Jo humne daastan apni sunayi aap kyun royein the deed is already done with some unexpected result. Is this a contra or convergence somewhere that narrating the story of her love may not lead to happy consequences?
@733,
Mohabbat zinda rahti hai/ Guzre hain aaj ishq mein is a nice contra pair.
@750,
Very nice set of songs and excellent explanation of the underlying contra.
Mr S Joseph @ 734,
Le chala jidhar.. Jo saath waqt ke chala wo mard hai, jo rah gaya wo raaste ki gard hai: One who moves with time is brave, one who stays put becomes dust of the road. Nice intra-contra.
@735,
Nice description of contradictions of Bombay city. I think most Bombay songs show this character of the city, the most hard-hitting being the iconic, Ye hai Bambai meri jaan.
@736,
Zindagi mein pyar karna seekh le, jisko jeena hai wo marna seekh le: This is a copybook intra-contra, learn to die if you want to live.
@737,
Nice intra-contra on the theme of jeena-marna.
@738
Aaj apna ho na ho kal hamara hai is a weak contra unlike Zindagi mein pyar karna seekh le, jisko jeena hai wo marna seekh le.
@747,
In the first song the lady asks him to give away all his sorrows to her, in the next song the hero does not consider it necessary, his condition is evident to her. Nice contra.
@748,
Paise ka kya yakeen, kabhi hai ye to kabhi nahin: You might stretch it to intra-contra.
@749,
Mere peechhe baithi hai: You can stretch to intra-contra.
Gora bhi achha kaala bhi achha …’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Gora bhi achha…’ / 1954 / SAMRAT / Hemant /Geeta Dutt
https://youtu.be/8sQl405Td7A
KS Bhatiaji @746,
Perhaps you are referring to the interlude music and dance where Raj Kapoor and everybody is dancing joyously. We had thought of this theme in relation to lyrics. But I understand your point. Barsaat (1949) had similar happy-sad composition in Patli kamar hai tirchhi nazar hai.
Mr S Joseph @753,
Gora bhi achchhaa, kala bhi achchhaa is a nice intra-contra song.
First he makes such a request to ‘zindagi’.
मैं अपने आप से घबरा गया हूं
मुझे ए जिन्दगी दीवाना कर दे
https://youtu.be/P95eJW3d42c
Then he complains about ‘zindagi’
जिन्दगी आज मेरे नाम से शर्माती है
https://youtu.be/_pZA2b1mMSc
Akji @ 743,
‘The Gang of Four or the Five Men Army must be feeling very happy at their success. My compliments too to everyone.’
I f you consider both the articles running in tandem, and exclude the authors contribution in the comments section, it is actually ‘Seven Super Heroes’. And two of them are relatively new comers.
If at all any article can divert the attention from these chart-buster article, it should be on Md. Rafi. Or any other similar article is on the anvil?
AK,
Sahir while clinging to subah in Phir subah hogi to totally detaching from subha in Vaasna
Phir subah hogi woh subah kabhi to ayengi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiSDgIa-zLo&t=24s
Vaasna aane wali subah se begana hoke ji
https://youtu.be/2tOz5Jdpirw
AK,
Subah Sahir was common factor.
Chandni it is Hemant Kumar.
Roti and muskurati chandni
Bahaye chand ne aansoo zamana chandni samjha.
https://youtu.be/P3lC5kDhins
muskurati hui chandani albeli lala Hemant
https://youtu.be/2-Rq3DQw7rM
Neend, Karawate etc
1 Yaad me teri jag jag ke hum – Mere Mehboob – Shakeel – Naushad
He & she unable to sleep & so depressed that
ab sitare bhi kam nikalte hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0wc0IUJ5WY
2 Karawate badalate rahe – Aap Ki Kasam – AB – RDB
Same pinch as in 1 but he comforting her
gam na karo din judai ke bahot hai kum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6pt7nij6WQ
3 Umra Jalawo me basar ho – Khamosh Dehlavi – Jagjeet sing
He does not care
Neend to dard ke bistar pe bhi aa sakati hai
unki aagosh me sar ho ye jarorri to nahi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58nVjj-pTR8
Bhatiaji @ 703
RDB and KK thought the awards they gave themselves as the best awards. BTW, RDB got the FF award for 1983 for Sanam Teri Kasam, despite Nikaah and Baazar being in the nominees.
@704
What a song it is. The song is in itself intra-contra. Look at this antara.
‘aag lage aisi aag ko haye,
jiske dekhe se koi jal jaye,
aisi shamma ka parwana na bane.’
The second line of the mukhda of the song says ‘teere nazar ka nishana na bane’ and the first line has the word ‘deewana’. If we listen to the song ‘teer khate jayenge aansoo bahate jayenge’ from Deewana – 1952, it would appear that the title of the film was picked from the first line and the song mukhda was written as a perfect contra for the second line. And beauty is that both are sad songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oiaSK0ukAY
And again pops up a third sad song as contra to the part of the mukhda ‘aansoo bahate jayenge’ from the mukhda of the Deewana song. The singer would not let you shed tears. ‘Dil jalta hai to jalne de’ from Pehli Nazar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC8zsY5ywvk
@706
Dev Anand in Taxi Driver was confused where to go, but Shammi Kapoor is just indifferent in Bluff Master when he lip-syncs ‘ae dil ab kahin le ja’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znNJoXP25BY
When I was very young, I used to decipher the above song as ‘ae dil ab kahin na ja’. In accordance with that spirit Shammi Kapoor’s brother Shashi Kapoor says ‘tum bin jaun kahan’ even while singing the sad version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZwoyWODUtE
Muliji @ 711
The Do Raaste song is my favourite and I had it in mind, but I wanted to post just 3 like ‘takrana’ songs.
Hans ji @761;
Thanks for extension of these beautiful serial contra songs. Our hearts are really tuned to pick best of the songs in our memory banks. Whenever I listen to such songs my imagination goes to your friend and my real brother Inderjit Singh Bhatia….whom I miss a lot. He was the encyclopedia of sad songs. Whenever we listen to…Koi kisi ka dewana na bane….next on the list was…tum kya jaano tumahre pyar mein hum kitna roye.
Those were the days when happy, sad and romantic songs had equal shares in class listening road . Though we have highways now but class is missing. Listening to instrumentals is a great relief today.
Sanam Teri Kasam was the remake of the great Shammi Kapoor Asha Parekh movie…Dil Deke Dekho . Reena Roy I think produced the Sanam Teri Kasam . DDD was for ahead of this copy in entertainment and music.
Ms.mumbaikar8 @759;
Bahaye chand ne aansoo zamana chandni samjha….and…muskurati hui chandani albeli lala …..are perfect contra songs and are favorite of mine . Re visiting such songs brings more songs of those eras to your delighted bank of songs.
I was thinking of one duet song …well of same era…but not connected to the theme.
Bhare Hain Aankh Men Aansu | Sara Jahan Hamara…Asha, Mukesh….Babul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg98FbsARqk
Josephji @ 712 to 714 has posted some great dil ka lagana songs and as usual all my favourite songs.
The first song that came to my mind was ‘rasik balma’ from Chori Chori.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMk-JSGH1AE
Uma Devi sang ‘dil ko laga ke humne kuchh bhi na paya, chain ganwaya’ in Anokhi Ada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwqTs683lE8
Raja Mehndi Ali Khan changed the mukhda of the above song as ‘preet laga ke maine ye phal paya, sudh budh khoyi chain ganwaya’. I am not posting that as that did not have dil ka lagana. But, in his first film Madan Mohan also sang the song which cautions ‘humse na dil ko lagana musafir’ with Shamshad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxQQoFgAxeU
AK & AB @ 715 and 716
The back up song posted by Bhatiaji is picturised on Malika, the sister of Mumtaz.
Hansji @ 761
I am still under the impression that it is Na Ja . In fact the lyrics site seem to be equally divided between le ja & na ja . However in the context of the situation le ja is more appropriate.
By the way Against De anand’s confusion & Shammi’s indifference we have Manu Narang ( who the hell?) with Manjushree ( I suppose) in 5 dushman aka Daulat ke dushman leaving it open ended by singing Jana hai hame to jaha karar mile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWks8EDiPak
– Majrooh – RDB
Muliji @ 719
Wo na aayenge palatkar. She should have been forthright like Asha Parekh with Rajesh Khanna in Aan Milo Sajna. ‘Palat meri jaan, tere qurban ho tera dhyan kidhar hai’ sung by the other Asha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAy6GBt5ZiE
…mor nacha kisi ne na dekha — hum jo thodisi peeke zara jhoome haye re sabne dekha…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Jangal mein mor…’ / 1958 /MADHUMATI / Salil / Rafi
https://youtu.be/BprlMh0-3Jk
Taqdeer bani bankar bigadi…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘TAQDEER BANI BANKAR…’/ 1948 / MELA / Naushad / Shamshad
https://youtu.be/21z04HN4AWw
‘… zindagi ke ujale Mubarak – andhere hamein aaj raas aa gayen hai…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Tumhen zindagi ke …’/ 1965 / PURNIMA / Kalyanji Anandji / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/4Iq_pfISaEc
…aisa lagta hai garibo ka jag me
aaj rakhwala koi nahi
aisa lagta hai dukhiyo ke aansu
pochhne wala koi nahi
o amiro ke parmeshwar
hum garibo ki bhi le khabar…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ O ameeron ke…’/ 1959 / PAIGHAM / CR / Asha
https://youtu.be/H1Q0THuBHNA
AK ji, Hans ji ;
An intra contra song I am hearing for the first time….
Talat Mahmood (Kabhi Tanhaiyon Mein / Meenar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3xMhbllCVA
Mumbaikar ji @ 758/759
Subah for a change without Sahir
Gaya andhera hua ujara- Noor Lakhnavi – C Ramchandra
https://youtu.be/HXvMXpu5gHA
pradeep Kumar & Jayashree all smiles and welcoming subah ka taara
Jin raato ki bhor nahi hai – Shailendra- Kishor kumar
https://youtu.be/TC9pjy8jSOk
Kishor & Supriya both in a gloomy mood and kishor questioning raat ke taare
And this does not have subah and there is no Sahir either
AK ji, Hans ji ;
Two songs that may find contra to each other…..
GUZRA HUA ZAMANA AATA NAHIN DOBARA Lata Mangeshkar,S. Mohinder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD4Y95q9ya8&t=38s
Jo guzar Gaya so guzar Gaya lyrics || Jagjit singh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zri-EoqHT70
Hans @756, 761, 765,768,
We had learnt the word आशुकवि in school. For your talent in connecting lyrics instantly with a theme and its brilliant analysis, I was thinking of a word अशुविश्लेषक for you. Congratulations and I am enjoying thoroughly.
@766,
Thanks for the information.
Venkataramanji @757,
You must have prepared the list, I hope they are not the ‘usual suspects’ who are caught first thing on any crime. One doesn’t plan such articles, they happen. But there is something on Rafi which should interest the readers.
Hans @761, Mr Muli @767,
Till today I thought that the song was Ae dil ab kahin na ja, but I listened to it carefully and watched the video, I was convinced, it is Ae dil ab kahin le ja. Shammi Kapoor is so dejected with everything, he does not not care where his heart carries him. HFGK also writes it as ‘le’.
Mumbaikar8 @758, 759, Mr Muli @774,
You are fussing too much over hopeless subah, subah with bright light. Here is Kaifi Azmi, not caring even whether subah is there or not: Tera husn rahe, mera ishq rahe, to ye subah-o-shaaam rahe na rahe.
AK and Muliji
During college days I had this खुजली (Mumbaikar8 calls this OCD) of noting down the lyrics of my favourite songs. I would note down the lyrics on a scrap of paper and then fair it in a notebook. Later whenever the song was announced on radio I will search that page and recheck the lyrics. My parents used to say क्या फाल्तू काम कर्ता रह्ता है, but they allowed me because I was good in studies, sports and also helped them in the household.
There is a story about this खुजली। A cousin of mine was a big fan of any film but huge fan of Dara Singh. He saw the film Lutera and the next day he told me the story and also sang the Lata song ‘kisi ko pata na chale baat ka’ as ‘kisi ko patana chale vasta’. I told him this cant be true. Though I was more than 10 years younger than him, yet he thought I may be correct, may be because he was just primary pass and also lived in village and I had cleared 8th class board exams. Later when I saw the film, I told him the lyrics. Since then I tried to get the correct lyrics.
AK @751
Actually I had thought it as a contra just because of the fact you point out that in one song the singer seeks approval before the song and in the other she is telling about her thinking on his reaction after she had told the dastan. The common thing is apni ‘dastan kahna’ which is done in two different and contrasting situations. But there is other contrast also in the first song. She perhaps wanted to say it personally, but she got shy and finally she told the ‘dastan’ in a radio song which is a public medium, though in the song she says ‘kya karega sun ke jamana’. The second song is for a situation where they are husband and wife, but due to circumstances he does not believe her. So she tells her story and the song is a result of his reaction. This song in itself has more than one intra-contra passages. So in my view both the songs are fit for the post.
AK @ 776
You know I am a movie and lyrics buff. So I may be able to connect them quickly due to that reason. And these days due to corona, it is a rigorous punishment to watch the news channels, so we watch the downloaded movies instead.
@ 779
What a coincidence. On watching Mumbaikar8’s post and other follow-up posts, this great favourite of mine came into mind and I noted some songs down to be clubbed with it. I will present them later.
Venkataramanji @ 757 and AK @ 777
There is a folk tale which says a family was crossing the river and a knowledgeable person among them was given the charge of counting after they crossed the river. He counted two-three times and then declared we are one short, because he did not count himself. The customary wailing, common in villagers, started. After some time a passerby came and set the matters right. I hope Venkataramanji has not repeated that mistake when counting seven. 😉
Actually we should keep the list secret, because if we declare that then we may find ’12 more angry men’ from those who are left out. And their anger would be justified because each and every person is important, though we continue to name some outstanding performers. The case of Naseem Bano post is there to see. I may have posted more songs there, but actually the post was put on the right road by Arunji through his five comments.
Venkataramanji @ 720
Both of your songs are perfect contra. I would give you a live example. We can say ‘bahut shukriya badi meherbani, meri zindagi men huzur aap aaye’ to AK for providing us the SOY ‘adda’, but we can never say ‘mujhe aap kisliye mil gaye’. Hope most would agree with me.
Hans JI @779
I also had a friend who was straighter than a linear equation and who used to murder he lyrics by having his own versions, genuinely believing his versions to be the correct versions . He was a big Mukesh fan I quote below two of his gems without any further comments.
1 Kisi aur ko shayad ” CHUM” hogi mujhe teri bahot jaroorat hai
2 Ye mera diwanapan hai , ya mohobbat ks ” SASUR”
‘ Kabhi raat din hum door thhe – din raat ka ab saathh hai…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Kabhi raat din…’/ 1967 / AAMNE SAAMNE / Kalyanji Anandji / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/caPNTAdoWVs
‘ Nayan milakar chayan churana kiska hai yeh kaam – hum se poochho hamko pata hai uss zalim ka naam…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Nain milakar chayan …’/ 1967 / AAMNE SAAMNE / Kalyanji Anandji / Rafi
https://youtu.be/_byxdWVWLDg
‘Mere bechayan dil ko chayan – tu ne diya…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Mere bechayan dil …’/1967 / AAMNE SAAMNE / Kalyanji Anandji / Rafi
https://youtu.be/ry-efGnJDb8
‘ Badal jaaye duniya – na badlenge hum tumhari kasam…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘Badal jaaye duniya…’/ 1957 / CAPTAIN KISHORE / Chitragupt / Talat
https://youtu.be/BTcQJ2Zm-lI
AK and Mumbaikar8 @ 721
I get pleasure out of practical sayings. Here is another ‘the kafila of SOY was triggered by one man’. Scientists say that there was big bang which issued forth countless galaxies i.e. a kafila of galaxies.
Here I post a few songs which have indication of a kafila. Hope others would find such songs also. First ‘neel gagan par udte badal’ from Khandan which has the lines
‘hari bhari in khetiyon ki ram kare rakhwali,
wo chahe to lakhon dane degi ik ik dali’
(here lakhon dane is indicative of kafila).
This song can also act as contra to many songs which ask the badal to go away. Like ‘jare kare badra balam ke gaon’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3N-owdhUqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vowBg_1uxTk
Second song ‘gareebon ki suno wo tumhari sunega’ from Dus Lakh, which contains the second line ‘tum ek paisa doge wo dus lakh dega’. This song can act as a contra to ‘o ameeron ke parmeshwar, kuchh gareebon ki bhi le khabar’ posted by Josephji at 772.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GrlG-VheqE
And here is a song from Ghar Ki Laaj ‘gham dene wale dene ko gham’ which asks god to give her a kafila (beshumar) of ghams but give her a thousand dils also to bear with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpI7EPv0pc
Contra to this is a classic duet from Sargam by Lata and Saraswati Rane. ‘jab dil ko sataye tu chhed sakhi sargam’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8VBOFfEw60
Mumbaikar8 @ 723
I think you are right. This post is getting better and better. After the initial flurry, now songs are coming out of churning of minds.
Aitbaar is a good word. At present I am giving a link to the song ‘ye kali jab talak phool ban ke khile’ which has a line ‘ye bahana magar aakhri hai sanam aitbaar aitbaar aitbaar karo’. She utters this word thrice to make him believe. Although such duets where both are taking a different line are in themselves always contra songs, this song should serve as contra to ‘dil ka na karna aitbaar koi’. The lyricist is Anand Bakshi. Can I convert you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTJrtn5BWzc
Hans JI @ 790
The Kafila should eventually lead to Jaal , that iconic offering from Sahir-SDB-Hemant_Dev & Geeta combination
Ye raat ye chandni
where Dev is almost black mailing Geeta
Ek Baar Chal Diye Gar Tujhe Pukarke
Laut Ke Na Ayenge Ksfile Bahar Ke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GfUK9Urb6I
A possible Contra Again from DEV -SDB but with Vaijayanti mala- Lata & Kishor
Aasma Ke Neeche
Where Vaijayanti mala spurns Dev’s offer
Kah Do Baharo Se Aaye Idhar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbfQ32vgV0I
Untak Uthkar Hum Nahi Jaanewale
‘ Manmohan man…jano, ya jsno na… mano , ya mano na…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Manmohan man mein…’/ 1964 / KAISE KAHOON / SDB / Rafi , SD Batish , Suman
https://youtu.be/VDUogaRqz8c
‘Tum hamein pyar karo ya na karo , hum tumhe pyar kiye jayenge…’
A song that could fit in as intra contra…
‘ Tum hamein pyar …’/ 1964 / KAISE KAHOON / SDB / Lata
https://youtu.be/yEuvjaX6uGI
Josephji posted the song Le chala ye dil jahan nikal pade. This song has a lot of intra-contra lines. Film Dil Hi To Hai has two songs which are contra to each other.
‘Dil jo bhi kahega manenge’ is like ‘le chala ye dil’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgSCWh9c04Q
In the contra song he is blaming his dil who landed him in trouble because it was nadaan. ‘Bhule se mohabbat kar baitha’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urU29yM2e1k
Mr Joseph @769,
Jangal mein mor naacha kisi ne na dekha, ….sabne dekha: In the first part no one saw the peacock dancing in the forest, in the second part everyone saw when Johnny Walker drinks a little. Seeing-not seeing are intra-contra, but the objects are two different things. I would say it may would need a little stretching to describe it as intra-contra.
@770,
Taqdeer bani, bankar bigadi is a perfect intra-contra.
@771,
Tumhein zindagi ke ujaale mubarak, andhere humein aaj raas aa gaye hian is an excellent intra-contra song.
@772,
Aisa lagta hai garaabon ka is jag mein koi rakhwala koi nahin/ O ameeron ke Parmeshwar.. is a very nice intra-contra song.
@786,
Kabhi raat din hum door the, din raat ka ab saath hai is an obvious intra-contra song.
@787,
Nain milakar chain churana kis ka hai ye kaam hai: But that is the universal consequence ‘nain milana’ in our films – Nain ka chain churakar le gayi, kar gayi neend haram etc. It would be intra-contra if, first it soothes, and then makes one restless.
@788,
Mere bechain dil ko chain tu ne diya, shukriya, shukriya is a very good intra-contra song.
@789,
Badal jaaye duniya na badalenge hum is a nice intra-contra song.
@793,
Manmohan man mein ho tumhin, jano na jano: Not an obvious intra-contra to me.
@794,
Tum humein pyar karo ya na karo, hum tumhein pyar kiye jayenge is a very nice intra-contra song.
@797,
Denewale kisi ko garibi na de, maut de de badnasebi na de is a very intra-contra song.
‘Dene wale kisi ko haribo na de , maut de de magar badnasibi na de…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Dene wale kisi ko garibi…/ 1960 / PATANG / Chitragupt / Lata
https://youtu.be/iIkZu6bLS50
Poochho na hamen hum unke liye – Asha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj9PMW_B4Q8
Ye dil lekar nazrana – Ek baar muskura do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9IK2hUegXQ
Mummy main to seekhung goli chalana – Johar in Kashmir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38aGgofBvnA
Chhuri ban kanta ban o my son – Jali Note
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAzDUJYrrxc
‘ Roti na kisiko, kisiko motiyon ka ddher…’
A song that could fit in as intra contra…
Roti na kisi…’/ 1949 / NAZARANA / / Shamshad
https://youtu.be/1nfWU-QFLjg
Aurat ne janam diya mardon ko – Sadhana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSAjnqg7OeE
Jawan ho ya budhiya – Bhabhi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYEpT9LZ7-Q
Following the Footsteps of Hansji on Aitbaar
Main tumhi se poochati Hun
-Black Cat- Jaa Nisar Akhtar- N Dutta
https://youtu.be/OeboYkJRPNY
Kabhi tum daga na Doge
Aitbaar kun hai
confidence is so unshakable !
Wo would na rahe – Badalate Rishte – AB- LP
https://youtu.be/sm4niilTvmg
Accha hua toot gaya
Zhoota Aitbaar
Lyrics wise seems to be a good contra .
But if remember correctly Rishi Kappor feigns this heartbreak song to ensure that Reena forgets him & starts to love Jeetendra.
KS Bhatiaji @773,
Kabhi tanhaiyon mein ek aisi bhi ghadi ayi/Bahut rone ki koshish ki magar phir bhi hansi ayi is a perfect intra-contra song. I hav ehard the song, but not very often. Excellent CR-Talat combination.
@775,
Guzra hua zamana aata nahin dobara: The time gone by does not come back again.
Jo guzar gaya so guzar gaya: What is gone is gone, why cry over that. Don’t the two songs mean the same thing?
Muliji
You would not believe it. I had noted down ‘main tumhin se poochhti hoon’ on a bill 3 days back when we were returning from market and misplaced it. And now you post it. How similar our likes are.
Cont’d. Dil ka lagana …
‘ O dilwalon dil ka lagana achha hai – par kabhi kabhi…’
A possible intra contra song …
‘ O dilwalon dil …’/ 1949 / PATANGA / CR / Shamshad , CR
https://youtu.be/7H2-gMLicX0
Mumbaikar8 @ 744
Tere pyar ne mujhe gham diya from Chhaila Babu is also sung by a cool guy and not a ‘jal kukda’ like ‘mere dushman tu meri’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TZ1QJqUiIg
Aane wale ko aana hoga , Jaane wale ko jaana hoga…’
A possible intra contra song..
‘ Aanewale ko aana…’/ 1956 / SOHNI MAHIWAL / Naushad / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/xufwDfreSzU
Hans @780,
Thanks for sharing your memories.
@781,
After this explanation, who can doubt?
@790,
Nice interpretation of Neel gagan par udate baadal aa aa aa as a one-person kafila song. Its contra to ‘asking the cloud to go away’ is obvious.
By now ‘gham’ has been dissected from all possible cross-sections. Result is fascinating if you look at all the ‘gham’ songs posted here.
@795,
Dil tune diya dil maine liya has been posted here. This sounds like stock hand over-take over with both the parties signing the stock register as a proof of verification and entrustment. If ‘dil’ is an item in the stores, is it capable of pulling someone wherever it wants?
@798,
Poochho na humein hum unke liye kya kya nazrane laye hain
Ye dil lekar nazrana aa gaya tera deewana
You mean the contra is about the lady bringing the gifts for her man in the first song, and in the other it is the man for the lady? But I enjoyed OP Nayyar using Mukesh for bhangra in Ye dil lekar nazrana, aa gaya tera deewana. OPN must have terribly missed Rafi.
@799,
Mummy main to seekhunga goli chalana
Chhuri ban kaanta ban , O my son
I could not see the connection between the two songs.
@801,
Aurat ne janam diya mardon ko, mardon ne use baazar diya. It tells of the nobles act of a woman, of motherhood, but the ungrateful man does not flinch in pushing her to flesh trade.
Jawan ho ya budhiya..Kuchh bhi hai aurat zahar ki ye pudiya. The severe disparagement of the woman is supposed to be a comic song. Both may be seen as converging to the same point. But underlying spirit of the first song is highest respect for womanhood. Therefore, it is a good contra-song too.
Mr Muli @802,
Good man stooping to the lowest standards to repel the woman from love for him, so that she gets a better person, was a familiar trope in our films. So braking the ‘aitbaar’ can be due to misunderstanding, or deliberately induced by one party in the minds of the other party for the first party. That may lead to interesting situations of contra, intra-contra, misconceived intra-contra, abetted intra-contra but for altruistic reasons.
Bhatiaji @ 763
Yes I do remember my friend quite often. For siblings other siblings are do jism magar ek jaan and if they have so common traits as you had, then it is very hard life without them. And as we age ‘khoon ka rang gadhaa hota jata hai’. We can only say ‘jane kahan gaye wo din’.
I have not seen Sanam Teri Kasam, but how can it compare with the super duper music of Usha Khanna. She just set the music industry on fire in her very first film.
Josephji @ 769
Perhaps you may not be aware of that, but one lady saw it and it was none other than Waheeda Rehman. ‘Jangal men mor nacha kisne dekha, maine dekha’ from Shatranj.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQ4Snrbu-E
759
Hans @ 780 Mr. Muli @ 785
I was known to be a murderer of lyrics and my brother though only two years older to me was the master with a cane.
The two songs I remember distinctly that were my bismilwere.
1 Zabak, Mehlon ne chhin liya bachpan ka pyar mere, my lyrics for “tum ho falak par mai hoon zamin par were tum ho palang par” 2 Mukesh song from Char Diwari, “Kaise manao piyawa, I thought it was “kaise mano tyohaar.”
Now, I can relate both with “qatil and bismil”.
Good topic for contra songs.
Hans @784
That Ak has reserved for me.
Hans @ 791
Anand Bakshi you are there for him, he doesn’t need my validation.
One song of AB ‘s aitbar, shattered by nature?
Mujhe Teri Mohabbat Ka Sahara | Aap Aye Bahaar Ayee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv1idZity_c
AK,
In continuance of @ 648 Ae dil meri aahon mein ,
Can this dekh Kabira roya can also be contra to that one too.
अश्कों से तेरी हमने तस्वीर बनाई है
https://youtu.be/uVU1HWsyX9w
AK, Bhatiaji, Hans
Contrasting beholder
Budtameez Haseen ho tum khuda nahin ho tumhara sajda nahin karenge.
https://youtu.be/SCGybh32xas
Rab ne banadi jodi. Beautiful song
Tujh me rab dikhta hai yaran mai kya karoon sajde sar jhukta hai
https://youtu.be/qoq8B8ThgEM
Quantity Of Love or it should be degree of love since pyar is not cardinal .
Itna na mujhse to pyar badha -Chaya- Rajinder Krishan -Salil Chowdhury
https://youtu.be/87CcAeWkeiw
Pyar kabhi Kam na karna Sanam
Ek Mutthi Aasman-indeevar-Madan Mohan
https://youtu.be/C2mIOLd5hBQ
Mr Joseph @800,
O Lord, there is much injustice in your creation. Someone does not have even a loaf bread, while another person has heaps of pearl. A very good intro-contra song.
@805,
O dilwaalo dil ka lagana achchha hai par kabhi kabhi: Falling in love is generally good. There is a small caution that it should be ‘kabhi kabhi’. Can we call it a partial intra-contra song, like partial eclipse?
@807,
Aanewale ko ana hoga, janewale ko jana hoga: Nice intar-contra.
Mumbaikar8 @812,
Your response to Hans @784. Do you mean in the sense of Ek dushman jo doston se pyara hai?
@813,
Ashqon se teri humne tasveer banayi hai: Could be a contra to Ae dil meri aahon mein because this one takes the easy out to seek some metaphysical powers.
You have added some nice contra songs about sajda.
Mr Muli @814,
Whether quality or quantity it should be in moderation. CR said it beautifully in O dilwaalo dil ka lagana achcha hai par kabhi kabhi. Please see my response to Mr Joseph at @815.
@771
Tumhen zindagi ke ujale mubarak has contras in
Raat bhar ka hai mehman andhera – Sone Ki Chidiya – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NufQfRt0uCQ
and
Gaya andhera hua ujara – Subah Ka Tara – Talat and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXvMXpu5gHA
@818
Gaya andhera hua ujara was sung by Talat and Lata.
Bhatiaji @ 773
What a great song and outstanding lyrics by Rqajendra Krishan. This Meenar song came when CR was trying to fit the voice of Talat on Bharat Bhushan. He also used Talat on Bharat Bhushan in Kavi in the same year, but without success. Madan Mohan made this possible in Jahanara after 10 years, when he set Talat’s voice on Bharat Bhushan with success. Lyricist was again Rajendra Krishan. In ‘baad muddat ke ye ghadi aayi’ sung by Rafi and Suman, the words ‘ghadi aayi’ were again used, though it was not ‘tanhai’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHsB1PnDGRM
‘ Kya kya nazare dikhati hai ankhiya , kabhi hasati hai kabhi rulati hai ankhiya… duniya mein rah kar duniya na dekhe ye kaisi majburi…. majbur aise bhi hain zindagi mein , jinko andhra mile roshni mein… ‘
Possible multiple intra contra song…
‘ Kya kya nazaare…’/ 1960 / GHUNGHAT / Ravi / Asha , Mahendra Kapoor
https://youtu.be/e30HuPe53RI
A possible contra pair
One says the eyes show us so many wonderful things … ‘ Kya kya nazaare dikhati hai ankhiya , … and in the other they say it is not possible to see any wonderful things of the world as the eyes are fixed only on the beauty of each other and that is all in the world for them… ‘ tere chehare se nazar nahi hatathi , nazaare hum kya dekhe…’
Kya kya nazaare…’/ 1960 / GHUNGHAT / Ravi / Asha , Mahendra Kapoor
https://youtu.be/e30HuPe53RI
& the possiible contra…
‘Tere chehare se…’/ 1976 / KABHI KABHI / Khayyam / Kishore , Lata
https://youtu.be/gejKrLu9N9c
AK and Mumbaikar8 @ 784, 812 & 816
I think Mumbaikar8 would sing ‘maar diya jaye ke chhod diya jaye’ and then get his liberty if AK is, by chance, caught in a situation like Dharmendra was in Mera Gaon Mera Desh. 😉
As this song has a lot of intra-contra I am posting it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kug9txsXQws
@ 821 and 822
What should we do with Rajesh Khanna who blames ‘nazare chhupna’ to the ‘kaajal’ of Mumtaz in Do Raaste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lyJyjSezC8
Hans Ji
It is quite possible that Rajesh was forced to call din as Raat ( La Feroze). Therefore found Kajal as a bahana
Here is Feroze to Sharmila
Jo tumko ho pasand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg8753MS35o
AK @ 808
At 795 I posted two songs from Dil Hi To Hai and not the Banjarin song ‘dil tune diya dil maine liya’. I have checked again the links and they are of the right songs.
The second line in ‘mummy main to seekhunga goli chalana is ‘leader na banunga pleader na banunga, mujhe fauji officer banana’. Om Prakash’s call in Jali note is
‘chhuri ban kanta ban o my son
sab kuchh ban kisi ka chamcha nahin ban’
Muliji
Great connect.
You may be right. If you look at the video, Mumtaz says ‘chhup gaye sare nazare oye kya baat ho gayi’ for the first time with her eyes closed. She perhaps directed Rajesh Khanna also to close his eyes and assume it was night. But, he got naughty and forced her to open her eyes by touching her with the blade of grass, and said what he thought fit. After all he was a born superstar and not a make shift hero like Feroze Khan.
Another song that comes to mind when I listen to ‘tum din ko agar raat kaho’ is ‘tumhari zulf ke saye men sham kar doonga’. Rafi in Naunihal as written by Kaifi Azmi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zOPOhx_Zk
But Talat Mehmood got bold with the support of Sahir in Joru Ka Bhai and said
‘teri zulfon se pyar kaun kare,
subah ka intezar kaun kare.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy3c6Ozk4M8
But Rafi was again stuck with her ‘zulf’. Perhaps he could not refuse SJ and HJ. Teri zulfon se judai to nahin mangi thi’ – Jab Pyar Kisise Hota Hai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56P6Gwp0IO4
In the past SOY had more frequent statistical (analysis) comments .
On 29th July, it can be seen that all of the total comments no. 766 to 810 ..under the post… ‘ Fanciful ideas about breaching embankments ‘ , was given by 4 Hon’ble participants of SOY and at the same time under the post… ‘ Songs and Contra – Songs ‘ , all the comments on the same day from no. 758 to 809 was posted by a different set of 5 Hon’ble participants of SOY apart from myself.
Bhatiaji @ 775
Guzara hua zamana aata nahin dobara is philosophical and we immediately remember songs like ‘jane kahan gaye wo din’ and ‘wo din yaad karo’ or ‘yaad aa gayi wo nasheeli nigahen’. We should deal with such things boldly and not do what he did in this song. Zindagi guzarne ko sathi ek chahiye husn gar nahin sharaab hi sahi’ – Rafi in Ek Mahal Ho Sapnon Ka.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39uGj-Fz1mA
Because if he did that he would get drunk and will trouble others with his rant ‘mujhe le chalo aaj phir us gali men’ (Rafi in Sharaabi).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2yWXUhoNCY
Hansji @ 783,
I have not made the MISTAKE of leaving myself out, but I have consciously kept myself out of the list because I felt I have no business to be there. For example, this particular post requires the activation of one’s grey cells and flare for the language. I am handicapped in both the areas; yes, I concede I have some grey matter in my head, but all in the surface and not beneath.
And I agree with you that each and every one in a team has a role to play and are important. But like in the game of Soccer it is the scorer who steals all the limelight. Hordes of misses are forgotten if the striker nets a couple. Yet it is a team game, and one single mistake or one single save by the goal keeper can make or mar a game. Similarly one good center or assist by a mid fielder or a vital goal line save by a defender too can decide the fate of a match. When the goal keeper is in the thick of things, then it is more often due to the failure of the defense and other players, that is when the Super Heroes fail. Besides we should not forget about the role of the coach/ manager, and the support staff. Well all this round about rhetoric is to say that I agree with you..
I borrowed the term ‘Super Seven Heroes’ from the American Comic-strip characters; Superman, Batman, Aquaman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Cyborg and a female ‘hero’ known as Wonder Woman. As per your advice I have kept the list secret, but if somebody assumes or relates them to SoY members, I can’t help it.
Well we are into the 9th century of comments. And we may complete a 1K soon. Congratulation and best wishes to all the active members and the support team.
@784,
I cannot but agree with you. That was a nice application/ live example of the contra songs.
Josephji @ 828,
You are right in pointing out that 97 comments where posted by 10 members/ participants (including yourself), which should be a record for a single day.
And when the statisticians are out on the playing field, out of their boxes, it requires a Josephji to fill the gap.
Thank you
Hans @818, 819
Tumhein zindgaki ke ujaale mubarak andhere humein aaj raas aa gaye hain: This song has beautiful intra-contra too in plenty. Just think of: तुम्हें पा के हम खुद से दूर हो गये थे, तुम्हें छोड़कर अपने पास आ गये हैं. This is beautiful lyrics by Gulzar, equally superb music by Kalyanji-Anandji, and Mukesh’s rendering, kya kahne! Thanks for reminding it and Mr Joseph’s first mentioning. The two contra songs you have posted are excellent.
Hans @823,
Maar diya jaye ya chhod diya jaye is perfect intra-contra song, but I am not in favour of giving powers of life and death to Mumbaikar8. 🙂
Hans @826,
I don’t remember how I mixed up. There has been some reference to Dil tune diya dil maine liya in the comments.
Mr S Joseph @821,
Kya kya nazare dikhati hai duniya: One knows from the mukhada of the song that it would be full of intra-contra.
@822,
Tere chehre se nazar nahin hatati: Contra to above, the hero can’t shift his eyes from the face of the heroine for a moment, what does he care for the sights and sound of the world.
AKji:
This post has discovered the elixir of youth: more than 800 comments, and still going strong! Here is ‘Hum unke paas aate hain, woh humse door jaate hain,’ a Talat-SJ combo from Naya Ghar, that I hope may qualify as intra-contra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhDP29L4L0g
AK
We have discussed almost all aspects of raat but here in one song Lata wants the raat to” guzar ja” and other she wants it to “thahar ja”
dard ki ae raat guzar ja -Lata Mangeshkar-BAAGHI 1953
https://youtu.be/BEziQAlfciA
Ruk Ja Raat Thahar Ja Re Chanda…Dil Ek Mandir (1963)
https://youtu.be/3UfSyH8rygM
AK
This one is for the commodity named Dil.
Dil la aur dil leja.
Mera Dil Lekar Kidhar (HD) – Apradhi Kaun
https://youtu.be/iKjKMbpvatE
Leja Leja Mera Dil
https://youtu.be/-ySmtzDUZp8
Mumbaikar ji @ 835/ 836
Now dil as a substance !
Normally hindi films have a clear dichotomy of dilwale- sheesha-e-dil & Patthar ka dil as regards lead pair( there are baddies with no dil also).
But there is indifferent Waheeda in Baat Ek raat ki
Sheesha-e dil itna na uchalo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2RqDBMNy6Q
Agar dil hamara sheshee ke badle patthar ka hota
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlamPr49JK8
Sheshee ka ho ya patthar ka dil ,
mohobbat karo dhadakne lage ( by the way why this lovely teasing tune did not click during its time? )
In this clip a bit of the scene before the song says a lot . The day gets over but the night does not …. A lot of intra contra in this song…
‘ Din dhal jaye…’/ 1965 / GUIDE / SDB / Rafi
https://youtu.be/Px2qOfTB8aY
The situations / circumstances /world /… keep changing …
A possible intra contra…
‘ Din raat badalte / 1959 / NAYA SANSAAR / Chitragupt / Hemant
https://youtu.be/zt6641B6Dqc
This is the night when his heart will give out the secrets that it could not say … The brief scene of his downing his drink and then tossing the glass adds to the situation…
A possible intra cotra
‘ Dil jo na …’/ 1965 /BHEEGI RAAT / Roshan / Rafi
https://youtu.be/EvUsu76kl7E
Wanted to be the God on the paths of love but has been made the God of crimes…
A possible intra contra
‘Chaha thha banu…’/ 1967 / GUNAHON KA DEVTA / SJ / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/RLXfQveNMKY
S Joseph @807;
Contra song to … Aanewale ko aana…’/ 1956 / SOHNI MAHIWAL / Naushad / Rafi , Lata….could be…
Chal diye deke gham yeh na sochha ke hum….
Chal diye deke gham…. Son of india ….Lata ….Shakeel badayuni-…Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZhEwT6Rt8
AK ji @754;
Every stanza is contra to each other…this is the beauty of …Patli kamar hai teerchee nazar hai …song of Barsaat .
Tum bin naino ki barsaatein rok na paaon lakh manaon…
Mehn behete dariya ka paani kyi kinaroan se takraoan ruk na paoon naya nagar nit nayi dagar hai….
Raj Kapoor Shailendra understanding of the situation …simply midas touch.
Ak ji, Hans ji;
Some intra contra songs to add on……
Zinda Hoon Is Tarah Ke – Mukesh…- Aag….Ram Ganguli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHnSr82qQ34
Zindagi Denewale Sun Teri Duniya Se Dil Bhar Gaya….Talat..Music: Ghulam Mohammad, Lyricist:Shakeel Badayuni
Movie: Dil-E-Nadan, Year:1953.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YR6XEO-BmY
AYE DIL MACHAL MACHAL KE YUN -LATA – BUTARAM SHARMA-LACHHIRAM (MAIN SUHAAGAN HOON 1964)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAj4fKkIb5c
baithe hai rehguzar par..Asha Bhosle_kafi Azmi_Babul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWQYVk1QqjY
beqasi had-se jab guzar jaye..Asha Bhosle_Jan Nisar Akhtar_O P Nayyar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjnQ08qljo
sambhal aye dil.. asha bhosle-mohd.rafi-sahir ludhianvi -n.dutta- sadhna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LaGzszImU0
…to be contd….
More maange Dil or is it other way round?
She is yet undecided
Maine Dil Abhi Diya nahi
https://youtu.be/ivnxeBfyAZU
Despite knowing that it is buri Bala they have already parted with their dils
Dil Dena Buri Bala hai
https://youtu.be/Irj6QUReNEo
Some said it is physically not possible to ‘dil lena and dil dena’. Some told scientific facts and some went the philosofical way. Some would this is just word play or imagination. Before deciding anything on this dil business, kindly take into consideration the outlook of these two great ladies.
First one, Saira Banu tells the Shagird gone haywire ‘dil vil pyar vyar main kya janu re’.
https://youtu.be/oHADwPlnPgo
Then this night club dancing Helen tells our Jaani Babu ‘dil ka lena dena humne chhoda’. And though overdrunk like Kaajal and not finding the setting fit enough for a serene gazal, loses his Maryada ( name of the film ) and mumbles his boastful statements ( tumhen ho jaye humse pyar ) tottering along.
https://youtu.be/h7VBwHUn_Hg
‘Na kisi ki ankh ka noor hoon’ – Rafi – Lal Quila.
https://youtu.be/u8EvjC6uRz0
‘Ankhiyon ka noor hai tu’ – Suman, Mukesh – Johar Mehmood in Goa.
https://youtu.be/lKJFOjJEdls
There was gem of a song ‘saaz e dil chhed de’ from film Passport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE531uhdvg
Different reactions from different singers.
Kishore and Asha fight it out in Jawani Diwani starting with ‘agar saaz chheda tarane banenge’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT6HrnRbNvQ
Lata Mangeshkar tells that she is ‘geet tere saaz ka teri hi awaz hoon’ – Inteqam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbG_SAjLARU
Now, Mohammad Rafi tries to balance it out and distributes the saaz and awaaz between both of them. ‘Saaz ho tum awaaz hoon main’ – Saaz aur Awaaz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6szCRfApKE
Muliji @ 845
I think you have got the answer. Helen of Maryada has taken the advice given in both of the songs posted by you and stopped the business of ‘dil ka lena dena’.
I think AK would be happy with Helen because he had @ 808 raised serious objection at the ‘stock loke’ business in his fourth comment. And also with Saira Bano of Shagird who does not believe in these things and only believes in mutual relations.
Read ‘stock like’ in the 5th line in the above comment.
At this it is a difficult task to check if the songs are repeated so am just avoiding posting some of the songs .
In this song hero and zero rhyme well . Putting on a neck-tie makes him a hero but he is big zero in studies .
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Tie laga ke …’/ 1957 / BHABHI / Chitragupt / Lata
https://youtu.be/ouRYOwc7yG8
The children find that the reality in India is that people are not one which is contrary to what they have been taught . The teacher is trying to explain but the children are not accepting …
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Humne suna thha ek…’/ 1959 / DIDI / N Datta / Asha , Rafi
https://youtu.be/BOx6b-PhBkc
Several lyricists have tried to measure that elusive attribute called “Pyar”
Here is a humble attempt to decipher their words in mathematical terms
1 Bahot pyar karate hai – Saajan – Sameer (n is large , statistically
n >30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr_zaN1HWn8
2 Humne tujhse pyar kiya hai jitna – Dulha Dulhan – Indeevar ( n > x)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDL2QCLI7M
3 Mujhe kitna pyar hai tumse – Dil Ters Diwana – Shailendra ( n = ?. find yourself as an exercise)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKX_9IrdwI
4 Itna hai tumse pyar mujhe – Suraj – Hasarat ( n tends to infinity)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfX7qlOifvc
5 Hame tumse pyar kitna – Kudarat – Majrooh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T25GiGCspFg
But contrary to all of the above Naksh after lot of dithereing comes to the following conclusion
1 Tumhe ho na ho – Gharonda ( n = 0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZXSBVWQ8wo
@ 853
Look at this guy. He is ready to sit in exam so that she can see for herself कि वो कितने पानी में है।
Tum ek baar mohabbat ka imtehan to lo – Rafi in Babar.
https://youtu.be/JSmeq0fqA50
In the context of ‘tumhen ho na ho’ we can safely say that she can get away by saying even that. But, it will be bravery if a male has to say that.
Sun ae mahjabeen mujhe tujhse ishq nahin – Rafi in Dooj Ka Chand.
https://youtu.be/SccZNfAEHq0
MY two cents to Mr. Muli @ 853 and Hans @ 854
zara sun haseena e nazneen..Rafi –Shakeel Badayuni
https://youtu.be/mIXh9vxFQ-I
Magar Yeh Haseenayen Bekhabar | Dholak Songs | Ajit| Meena Shorey | Mohammed Rafi |
https://youtu.be/wXzuZyjRjvM
Canasya @834,
Hum unke paas aate hain, wo humse door jaate hain: If he is coming nearer to her, from the laws of motion the only way she can be getting further is if she is not stationary, but starts moving away from him at a faster speed. Excellent intro-contra.
Mumbaikar8 @835,
Dard ki ae raat guzar ja, ae dil-e-betaab thahar ja
Ruk ja raat thahar ja re chandaa
Excellent contrast songs. And each song also has intra-contra.
@836,
Mera dil dil dil la..dil lekar kidhar chala has a nice concept. Someone has taken away her ‘dil’ without proper authorisation, and she asks him to return it. But why she is still so cheerful? Let us overlook this. In Le ja le ja mera dil, she does not bother about her ‘dil’, does she think it is worthless? But it is her choice. Nice contrasting songs.
He asks who she is that has entered his heart without his permission ; in the other song she does not disclose her name but gives hints and asks him to guess
A possible contra pair…
(a) ‘ yeh to kaho…’/ 1962 / AASHIQ / SJ / Mukesh & chorus
https://youtu.be/5N-C-jIe0OQ
& possible contra song…
(b) ‘ Bujh mera kya…’/ 1956 / CID / OPN / Shamshad & chorus
https://youtu.be/gss5sIpouJg
AK,
MY two cents to Mr. Muli @ 853 and Hans @ 854
zara sun haseena e nazneen..Rafi –Shakeel Badayuni
https://youtu.be/mIXh9vxFQ-I
Magar Yeh Haseenayen Bekhabar | Dholak Songs | Ajit| Meena Shorey | Mohammed Rafi |
https://youtu.be/wXzuZyjRjvM
MY two cents to Mr. Muli @ 853 and Hans @ 854
zara sun haseena e nazneen..Rafi –Shakeel Badayuni
https://youtu.be/mIXh9vxFQ-I
Magar Yeh Haseenayen Bekhabar | Dholak Songs | Ajit| Meena Shorey | Mohammed Rafi |
https://youtu.be/wXzuZyjRjvM
I have always like ‘insaf wala jo bhagwan hota’ from Suhag Sindoor. But, when I was searching for Rafi, Manna Dey songs of Chitragupta, it struck me that it is a contra song to ‘insaaf ka mandir hai ye’ from Amar.
I am posting both the video and audio version for the reasons cited in Chitragupta post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXk8-LeMY1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlfeG4FBs0
Insaf ka mandir hai ye link is also here for those who want to listen to it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy3xp1lQ6Sg
@ 857
I would suggest the third song in the series, when she replies herself after keeping him perplexed by ‘boojh mera kya naam re’.
Mera naam hai chameli main hoon malan albeli – Lata – Raja aur Rank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnGmOUX8rCI
For those who like a club setting.
Mera naam chin chin choo – Geeta – Howrah Bridge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQjXKdyp_wM
I remembered this song when Venkataramanji posted the song from unreleased film ‘Sorry Madam’ in the Chitragupta post. The mukhda of that song is parody of ‘uthegi tumhari nazar dheere dheere’ Lata gem from Ek Raaz. Lyrics Majrooh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUvbO7Bws10
In the first song she is saying he would come around slowly. But look at ‘dheere dheere machal ae dil e bekaraar koi aata hai’. Here she wants her heart to slow down. Anupama – Lata – Hemant Kumar – Kaifi Azmi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3RiMIAZ1vY
Here is a series about ‘phool’ and ‘kante’ in which a variety of songs are produced by various lyricists to fit in varied situations.
First, Shailendra tells us about a happy situation from Ek Dil Sau Afsane. ‘Tum hi tum ho mere jeevan men, phool hi phool hon jaise chaman men’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag2XtqWZ5jE
Then, Bharat Vyas takes up the case of those who are not so fortunate, showing some envy for those who get ‘phool’ in theri jeevan. ‘Wo phoole phoole firte hain jinki kismat ko phool mile’ – Amar Jyoti.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvgK43fuOXE
Then Kaifi Azmi steps in asks him to cool down and make some adjustment saying ‘mile na phool to kanton se dosti kar li’ – Anokhi Raat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xIfJdD4AIU
That was for a male, but what to do if a female gets the ‘kanta’ especially when she also has the child to bear with. So Pradeep our bhakt type poet asks her to take refuge in the age old philosophy and go to god.
Tere phoolon se bhi pyar tere kanton se bhi pyar – Nastik.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18CI719CKmQ
As there was a tinge of sadness in Lata’s voice in the above song, Rajendra Krishan gave an alternative solution in Duniya Jhukti Hai with complete bliss being his goal. ‘Phoolon se dosti hai kanton se yaari hai’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EETPlQTe8Fo
Love is forever and will never die…; not only humans , love would not fear even God…
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Mohabbat Zinda rahati…’/ 1957 / CHANGEZ KHAN / Hansraj Bahal / Rafi
https://youtu.be/vWg_AQvK-Ck
AKji:
Ghalib has been mentioned several times in the comments above by Mumbaikar ji, you, and others. Mumbaikar ji @ 331 has even linked his ghazal on ‘dawa’ from ‘Mirza Ghalib’. Here is one his famous intra-contra ghazals—‘Ishrat-e-qatra hai dariya mein fana ho jana, dard ka hudh se guzarna hai dawa ho jana’ in the voice of MS Subbalakhsmi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EbIESRjc2I
He repeatedly asks her to name her beloved but she goes on giving various hints and asks him to guess the name of her beloved and she never names her beloved …
‘ Bol gori bol…’/ 1967 / MILAN / LP / Mukesh , Lata
https://youtu.be/aoKdcOj6KRs
Muliji @ 785 and Mumbaikar8 @ 812
Very funny instances told by you both. But if you want to enjoy the nostalgia of those days, you can visit some lyrics site and read lyrics of old songs. The oldest of them would make you laugh more and more. These sites make so many mistakes and they all claim perfection. Once I saw the lyrics of some song and for ‘gar ye bhi’ it was written ‘pardesi’ or something like that. However, sometimes I still visit these sites. If used diligently by matching your own listening observation with them might solve some riddles.
Muliji @ 792
That was a great find so deep in the song.
Your idea of measuring love @ 814 and 853 was so innovative.
MY two cents to Mr. Muli @ 853 and Hans @ 854
zara sun haseena e nazneen..Rafi –Shakeel Badayuni
https://youtu.be/mIXh9vxFQ-I
Magar Yeh Haseenayen Bekhabar | Dholak
https://youtu.be/wXzuZyjRjvM
Venkataramanji @ 830
I was tickled a lot on seeing the first para of your comment. I would come to that para later. You have beautifully described usefulness of team members citing football as an example. I think you are still connected with soccer either as a referee or an organiser. In the third para you with same beauty handled my comment in light vein about ’12 angry men’ and I enjoyed your comment.
Now on the first para. I can not comment on the grey cell part and AK would be a better person to answer you with some mathematical theory. But if you mean you have any problem in understanding the language or are deficient in any other way, then I would take it as your ‘angdai’ and would say ‘angdai teri hai bahana’ like Manju said in Rattan. 😉 Let us have a poll among the regular members of SOY and if any one agrees with what you say, then
I would unconditionally apologise and would declare that it was not a bahana. I think you the the equivalent of Vishwakarma, who built cities in the time one takes to blink. As a proof I cite your performance at Ashwin’s post on 29th July. There you made 14 (from 787 to 800) detailed comments from 9.15 to 10.0 pm, which also included 8 comments in just 9 minutes from 792 to 798. Which means you single handedly won the battle with this post. I dont know whether you used grey or white or red or any coloured cells, but it is true I can never do that. I dont know whether you borrowed hands from Durga Maa herself or did some Bengali Kala Jadu. 😉
All said you are the no.2 in SOY and I would request you not to try proving otherwise. And thanks for all that you said.
@ 831
On that day SOY posted more than 100 comments, because there were some on Madan Mohan post and on Naseem Bano post also there were 2 comments. Whether this was a record or not is only in your invisible powersto tell, because you know more about the blog than the blogmaster.
Mr S Joseph @838,
Din dhal jaye haye raat na jaye is a very nice intra-contra song.
@839,
Yes, Din raat badalate hain is a nice contra song.
@840, 841, are nice contra songs.
@851,
This person thinks himself to be a hero just by wearing a tie, but he is zero in intellect. Perfect intra-contra.
@852,
Humne suna hai ek hai Bharat: These kids are mature speakers, they can mouth the contradictions between the ideal India taught in the school and the reality around them. Nice intra-contra song, but our films very rarely depicted children as children.
@857,
Requires a little stretch to see contra in Ye to kaho, kaun ho tum and Boojh mera kya naam re
@858,
Mohabbat zinda rahti hai, mohabat mar nahin sakti: I thought the song has a consistent message about the immortality of love. Is there really contra in it?
@864,
Quite a stretch to see intra-contra.
Hans @858,
Insaf wala jo Bhagwan hota, to saare garibon ka chaalan hota: Heard for the first time. Satirising the injustice of God in a comical style. Insaaf ka mandir hai ye Bhagwan ka ghar hai: Whether late or early, God’s abode delivers justice. Nice contra pair.
@859,
Mera naam hai Chameli/ Mera naam Chin Chin Choo: Thanks, a perfect counter to Ye to kaho kaun ho tum.
@860,
The mukhada of the song from Sorry Madam is not a parody of Uthegi tumhari nazar dheere dheere, because the latter song’s second line is Mohabbat karegi asar dheere dheere
@861,
Wo phole phoole firte hain jinki kismat ko phool mile: This is a good addition to our search of Yamak in songs which was mentioned eralier by Canasya and other readers. We were struggling to find appropriate songs.
You have mentioned some absolutely outstanding phool-kaante songs of intra-contra.
@868,
We have seen enough of Venkaramanji’s prowess with language – Hindi-Urdu, too, in addition to his numerous first languages. I am with you on overriding his modest protestations. And I don’t go only by numbers.
Canasya@863,
Ghalib was a master of intra-contra, a classic is Mushkilen mujh par padin itni ki aasan ho gayin. But with due respects, did MS have to try her hand at ghazal?
Hans @ 858
Good contra on Bhagwan Ka Insaaf.
Best part is atheist Shahir is on the other side.
Mr. Muli @ 792
That was excellent.
Shailendra had this ability of telling a story in one line
Kahdoo bahron se aye ishar untak uth kar humnahin is one such example.
One more contra on Shilendra’s one line masterstroke.
To Bhaat Vyas’s – Been Baja Mere Mast Sapere – Naag Champa.(S. N Tripathi has recycled his old tune of phool baghiye me bulbul bole from Rani Roopmati)
https://youtu.be/xXC0KpqKghM
Shailendra’s question says it all “Kyun Nache Sapera”.
Wahan Kaun Hai Tera Musafir Jayega Kahan – GUIDE
https://youtu.be/QCsdHLTf0cI?t=236
Contrasting views on Dekho naa
Dekho ji dekho ek baar is taraf yeh dil bana hai
dekho ji dekho ek baar ek baar is taraf dekho..Aas1953_Mukesh_Lata
Woh Dekhen To Unki Inayat
https://youtu.be/FiH0YYYost4
In the first song he is totally broken after being in love with her but in the second he is very happy after being in love with her…
A possible contra pair…
‘ Hum tujhse Mohabbat …’/ 1951 / AAWARA / Naushad / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/1lHlfBGBMN4
& the possible contra song…
‘ Hum tujhse Mohabbat…’ / 1967 / WAHAN KE LOG / CR / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/lvZ7w_wL5Jo
Mumbaikar8
You forgot to post the link to the first song. I am giving it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaDCw3ySbGw
You are right. There are different reactions recorded in film songs about dekhna.
This one is blunt. ‘Mohabbat se dekha khafa ho gaye hain’ – Rafi in Bheegi Raat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYB5dF495EI
And this one what would you call it. Putting the whole blame even of his bekaari on her. ‘Rekha o rekha jabse tumhe dekha, khana peena sona dushwar ho gaya, main aadmi tha kaam ka bekar ho gaya’. Rafi again in Adhikar. Song picturised on lesser actors Brahmachari and Shabnam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnSRyB8NEmY
Two contrasting ways suggested for living in this world — In the first song he says you have to keep working and fold your hands and bow before others humbly , and … but in the second she says one must forget all worries and have fun , keep smiling , and…
‘Duniya mein rehana…’/ 1971 / HAATHI MERE SAATHI / LP / Kishore
https://youtu.be/IwvkJPr_zls
& the possible contra song …
‘ Iss duniya mein…’ / 1965 / GUMNAAM / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/tKodgq-1TgY
AK @ 871
Ist line of the Sorry Madam is slightly changed, but the second line is the same. I called it a parody song not just for the mukhda, but due to the fact that in the antaras too there are lines based on tunes of other songs. If you listen it again, it will be clear to you. Chitragupta had earlier also used multiple song parody in Main Chup Rahungi.
There are so many remixes made on this tune. There is a bhajan type of song on the tune of ‘uthegi tumhari nazar dheere dheere’ which I am posting here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9BooC9u1hU
You can go on the other side and find funny songs also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwo1PWIycOA
In fact, there are so many songs which are played in our temples which have been based on popular filmi tunes.
‘…The cruel hunter traps the bird and smiles at the helpless bird in the cage …
The condition of the dancer who has come under compulsion …
‘…kaisi hai dunia kaisi reet hai
aanhko me aasu hotho pe geet hai…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Qaid mein hai …’/ 1959 / BEDARD ZAMANA KYA JANE / Kalyanji Virji Shah / Lata
https://youtu.be/Tk7HLrcGaWc
Do not fall into the ways of the heart which is deceptive by nature…
‘ dil ke dhokhe me na aana dil ki jhuthi jaat hai , aji dil ki jhuthi jaat hai ; raat ko ye din kah de aur din ko kah de raat hai….
‘…of what use is the heart that does not have someone’s love ? …
ek maje ki bat batau suno kaleja tham ke aji suno kaleja tham ke , jin me kisi ka pyar nahi hai wo dil bhi kis kam ke aji wo dil bhi kis kam ke
mano ya na mano lekin bade pate ki bat hai…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Dil ke dhoke…’/ 1950 / SHAAN / Hansraj Bahal / Suraiya , Rafi
https://youtu.be/U-vgEhvMxoE
https://youtu.be/mjuBAl5MBwk
Canasya @ 863 and AK @ 872
I was about to say what is said by AK. Indian films have used the simpler ghazals of Ghalib. Even they have lot of intra-contra. Ghalib wrote this about himself too. Kahte hain ke ghalib ka hai andag e bayan aur. He said a similar thing in the other gazal ‘zikr us pariwash ka’. Look for intra-contra there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km0sfouDZ2M&t=150s
AK @ 871
I think ‘ye to kaho kaun ho tum’ and ‘boojh mera kya naam re’ are clearly contra. He asks about her and she asks a counter question and ask her to guess who she is. Even in the song itself you will find contra points. Similarly, ‘bol gori bol’ is having sawal jawab which has already been accepted as contra. Otherwise also their are contra points galore in the song. If my guess is correct, Josephji posted this song after my songs as a similar song to ‘ye to kabo kaun ho tum’. About ‘mohabbat zinda rehti hai’ you are correct that this is all about mohabbat, but the situation in the song is tricky. Prem Nath is captured and bound and Beena Rai is on death bed and he sings the song for invoking magical powers of love. There are words like ‘meri roohe mohabbat mujhse pehle mar nahin sakti’ and ‘tu mujhse door ho ulfat ganwara kar nahin sakti[‘. So in these conditions, I would go with Josephji, though I can not say you are wrong if you stick to your view after this explanation.
Mumbaikar8 @ 873
Your mention of sapera songs brought to mind two contrast sapera songs. There are others too but these seem to me to be perfect contra.
Tera jadu na chalega o sapere, kahe mare meri galiyon ke phere’ Lata in Guest House. The jadu of sapera may not work, but Chitragupta’s jadu will always.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WoZPP-O-c
‘Sapera been baja been baja nachungi’ – Lata in Bhai Bhai for SJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KdlgwZvDM0
Now some songs on various situations using the word ‘siwa’.
He is sure that there is nobody for her.
Yahan koi nahin tera mere siva – Rafi in Dil Ek Mandir for SJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MmcPvttGXg
He says there should not be anyone except him. Very Angry.
Tumhara chahne wala khuda ki duniya men – Mahendra Kapoor and Asha in Kahin Din Kahin Raat. OPN badgered MK despite producing such great songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nspiSdUFoNg
He is sceptic about her other lovers.
Hamare siva tumhare aur kitne diwane hain – Lata/Kishore in Apradh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgYVJu6LOU8
He is so worried that he has resorted to ‘kasmen khilana’.
Tum meri ho mere siwa kisi ki nahin khati ho kasam – Lata/Rafi in Aan Baan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCfidlYn2G0
…na rup dekhiye na nam dekhiye jo dekhiye to admi ka kam dekhiye…
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Na roop dekhiye…/ 1973 / SAMJHAUTA / Kalyanji Anandji / Kishore
https://youtu.be/m04Wjj69huU
…badi dur se aaye hai pyar ka tohfa laye hai , apna lo ya thukra do, pyar ka tohfa laye hai…
A possible intra contra song…
Badi door se…’/ 1973 / SAMJHAUTA / Kalyanji Anandji / Rafi
https://youtu.be/OXjxckQHrUg
…here the people twist facts and cook up stories ; they even make a good person mad …
‘ …Log to baat ka afsana bana dete hain…Achhe achhon ko ye deewana bana dete hain….’
‘ Log to baat ka…’/ 1962 / SHAADI / Chitragupt / Rafi
https://youtu.be/UKJwtw1ZK4o
‘ Koi bura kahe ya bhala , mai SHAADI karne chala…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Koi bura kahe…’ /1962 / SHAADI / Chitragupt / Rafi
https://youtu.be/82JBznOcVjc
As you sowed so shall you reap…
A possible intra contra
‘ Jaisa kiya hai…’/ 1962 / SHAADI / Chitragupt / Rafi
https://youtu.be/yn-Ka-KjSBs
Mumbaikar8 @874, Hans @876,
Here is an excellent video link of the first Dekhoj dekho ek baar is taraf dekaho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDhFutDgav0
This is a nice discovery. This must be a rare instance of the same extra dance pair singing another surrogate song in the same film for the lead actors.
Mr S Joseph @875,
Hum tujhse mohabbat karke sanam hansate bhi rohe rote bhi rahe: Love has cause him so much misery.
Hum tujhse mohabbat karke sanam, duniya ka fasana bhool gaye Love has already brought him bliss. Nice contra.
@877,
Duniya mein rahna hai tokaam karo pyare: Very serious message from a hard taskmaster.
Is duniya mein rahna ho to sun lo meri baat, gham chhod ke manao rangreli: Don’t worry about anything, make merry. Very opposite message. Nice.
@879,
Qaid mein hai bulbul sainyad muskuraye. Nice intra-contra.
@880,
Thanks for the detailed explanation of Dil ke dhoke mein na ana. Nice intra-contra.
@886, 887,
I agree theses could be possible intra-contra songs.
But, @888,
Koi bura kahe ya bhala, main to shadi karne chala: This is just a common expression, is there contra in it?
Similarly, @889,
Jais kiya hai tune vaisa hi tu bharega: I am not sure we can stretch that much.
Hans @878,
I may be missing something. I heard the song again. I could not recognise any familiar tune, though the words and phrases might be familiar.
@881,
De vo is kadar zillat hum hansin mein taalenege is a nice inra-contra in the ghazal.
@882,
Mohabat zinda rahti hai, mohabbat mar nahin sakti: Let Mr S Joseph say if he had this explanation in my mind.
Phool tumhen bheja hai khat me phool nahin mera dil hai – Lata/Mukesh – Saraswatichandra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtU389r6uys
Mujhe ye phool na de tujhko dilbari ki kasam – Rafi/Suman – Gazal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWPHNAN30Cc
Teri rahon men khade hain dil tham ke – Chhalia – Lata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI0wtTxNLso
Aaj purani rahon se koi mujhe awaj na de – Aadmi – Rafi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekqWt98qaWc
Had Deb Mukharjee addressed
Savere ka suraj tumhare liye hai
To Dheeraj Kumar , he would have answered with the following contra
Mere liye aati hai sham
Further Deb calls himself bujhata diya
While Dheeraj is Raato ka Raaja
We also find contrast in composer – Singer pair
OPN liberally using KK- who was normally shunned by him
And RDB who in his later years always preferred KK , used Rafi in this film .
Savere ka suraj- ek bar muskura do
https://youtu.be/ggKs-fdFvsM
Mere liye aati hai sham – Raton ka Raja
https://youtu.be/pzAuW6vRqlo
Muliji @ 895
Great connect. And why it should not be, you are the originator of the idea. This film has some intra-contra songs for our ‘intra-contra champion’ Josephji to exploit.
I liked your real life contra about OPN and RDB. There are some real life things which are contras. Take the example of Dilip Kumar. In 1957 Vyjyantimala told about him that ‘uden jab jab zulfen teri kanwariyon ka dil machale’, but he had to wait till he was 44 to attract some kanwari after about 20 years in films where a lot of kanwaris came in contact with him. And in Sanghursh, he was still dreaming ‘har kanwari dil tham le apna aisa lagaun thumka’ though his cheeks were trying to drop below his chin. 😉
I also got a contra with mention of this film.
Parai hoon parai meri aaraoo na kar – Lata – Khandan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyRefEVPYxA
Tu hamari thi jan se pyari thi tere liye maine duniya sanwari thi,
tu auron ki kyun ho gayi – Kishore Kumar – EBMD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwgq6y_lA5Q
Mumbaikar8 once posted two songs with ‘sajda’. I had a few songs in mind, but forgot to post.
Main chali main chali peechhe peechhe jahan ………
Sajde men husn ke jhuk gaya aasman…… – Professor.
Shammi Kapoor was taken to be the jahaan, because he was the only one following her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xomPMEUi7aE
This word was coined for a sajda to god, but this is being again and again used for the beloved. Is there a song which tells about sajda to god.
Sajde men hai sar tujhpe hai nazar – Mirza Ghalib. A surrogate song involving Suraiyya and Nigar Sultana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Jd9KuXLJI&t=68s
Hansji @ 895
It is largely due to your , Joseph ji & Mumbaikar ji’s posts followed by AK ji ‘s responses interest in this theme is not waning.
Your real life contra about Dilip Kumar is amazing. Can we strech is further till gopi where becuse of his dropping chin he had to come ban than ke & present himself as a gentleman to Saira? ( or were they already married by that time?)
Mumbaikar8 @ 868
One day some haseena songs came in mind when I was trying to sleep. I forgot to note down. Your post brought them again to mind.
Pradeep Kumar initially was scared of haseenas in Ustadon Ke Ustad. So he said ‘haseenon se to bas sahab salamat door ki achhi’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHm5y5EyzJQ
And Johny Walker was so fed up that he thought of taking sanyas.
‘Haseenon sambhalo apni ye duniya’ – Khota Paisa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jviMD-GBAg
But Joy Mukherjee has found some formula to deal with the haseena.
Pehle aankh ladaiye, phir aage badh jaiye’ from Ye Zindagi Kitni Haseen Hai.
I have never seen such a long mukhda to arrive at the name of the title of the film. You have to listen to the song to get the formula.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPUEeUoofmE
And Joy Mukherjee is not only applying this formula himself, he appears to have done some Phd on the subject and even advising his guru IS Johar, who is ‘bade mian’ and he is his Shagird. Guru gud reh gaya, chela shakkar ho gaya.
‘O bade miyan deewane aise na bano, haseena kya chahe humse suno’.
And the coincidence is that all these four songs, as well as those posted by you has Rafi. How many contra songs he would provide us.
Muliji
Thanks for the kind words. But, you have also posted a lot of contra songs.
Dilip Kumar married in 1966. The song in Sangharsh was his post marriage dream.
By Gopi’s time he had started remembering what Ram Chandra had said to his Siya and he had already started for introspection of his life through songs like ‘sukh ke sab sathi, dukh men na koi’.
..do not go to a place where it is impossible to settle but he wants her to join him…
sambhal ai dil tadapane aur tadapaane se kya hoga
jaha basana nahee mumkin, vaha jaane se kya hoga , sambhal ai dil
chale aao chale aao ke abb munh
pherake jaane se kya hoga ,
jo tum par mit chuka iss dil ko tarasaane se kya hoga
chale aao
hame sansaar me apna banaana kaun chaahega, yeh masale phul se joban sajaana kaun chaahega ,
tamannaao ko jhuthe kvaab dikhalaane se kya hoga
jaha basana nahee mumakin vaha jaane se kya hoga , sambhal ai dil,
chale aao
tumhe dekha tumhe chaaha tumhe puja hai iss dil ne , jo sach puchho toh pahalee baar kuchh maanga hai iss dil ne ,
samajhate bujhate anajaan ban jaane se kya hoga
chale aao
sambhal ai dil…
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Sambhal ae dil …’/ 1958 / SADHNA / N Datta / Lata , Rafi
https://youtu.be/6LaGzszImU0
( SAD part is also given)
Shall fall in love only once and shall stay loyal forever and fearlessly , whatever happens till death…
A possible intra contra song…
…ham pyaar ka sauda karte hain ek baar…chaahe mit jaaye chaahe mar jaaye…
ishq tera aag hai to isme jalte jaayenge , maut ho ya zindagi ham saath chalte jaayenge, ham vo nahi hain pyaar ke raahi jo duniya se dar jaaye , ham pyaar ka sauda karte hain ek baar
chaahe mit jaaye chaahe mar jaaye…’
‘ Hum pyar ka…’/ 1964 / ZINDAGI / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/-CYU3mhTeDk
( SAD PART )
shikwa hai tujhse pyar ka e malike jahan , kyo laye unch nich ki diwar darmiyan , kya mujhko haq nahi hai mohabbat ka pyar ka ?
kuch to jawab de mere dil ki pukar ka ,
deta nahi jawab to humse jawab le…
dil se na pyar jayega chahe chita jale
hum pyar ka sauda karte hain ek baar
hum pyar ka sauda karte hain ek baar
chaahe mit jaaye chaahe mar jaaye
chaahe mit jaaye chaahe mar jaaye
hum pyar ka sauda karte hain ek baar
‘ Shikwa hai tujhse…/ 1964 / ZINDAGI / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/tQIiTJDN4Yk
Litmus test of pyar according to many lyricists is to take over the hardships of the other person.
So Shailendra in Gudie has Dev comforting Waheeda with
“Tere Dukh ab mere ” ( It is another matter that within 2 songs he is regretting ” Apne kabhi the ab hai paraye” & one song later he is fuming ” Kya se kay ho gaya”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngch5NKgPh8
Another instance is Kateel Shifai ‘s ” Ye mojaza bhi mohobbat” where he says
“Ke sang tujh pe gire aur Zakhm aaye mujhe”
But in the same gazal he adds
Wohi to sabse jyada hai Nukta chin mera
Jo muskura ke hamesha gale lagaye mujhe”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybph1SRS8rs
And then folklore has Laila bearing the burnt of stone pelting but keeps on singing
“Husn hajir hai”
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8fijSmoqVnQ/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEZCPYBEIoBSFXyq4qpAwsIARUAAIhCGAFwAQ==&rs=AOn4CLA41rhpBhMAeIf5dUG3qM89ibTE8Q
However all of them are brought down to earth by Kaifi Azmi when in Anupama he writes
“Kya dard Kisika Lega Koi”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poXBa76JNKk
Hema Malini is so eager to ‘naina se naina jodo’ with the he man that she is ready to leave the work at hand though it may just be learning ABCD. Lata in film Raja Jani.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVtijLPr8g
And Sadhna says ‘main to tum sang nain milakar haar gayi sajna’ to the Manmauji Kishore Kumar. Was he troubling her a lot by his antics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYhH4PK1WbA
Congratulation to Akji and all the participants for achieving another land mark.
Ninth century and still going strong.
Special credit to Josephji for leading the team from the front.
Rahulji the intiator of the theme and Hansji , making a late surge, had made the target look simple.
Mumbaikrji and Bhatiaji have made effective and timely contributions.
Mumbaikarji has donned the role of cheer leader of the team. Hats off to all of you.
And last but not the least Akji’s prompt responses has kept the interest in this theme alive.
In short a grand team effort.
As Canasyaji has said the team is moving toward the highest test score of 952 (by Srilanka in 1997).
Besides the four figure mark the two highest scores in first class cricket 1059 and 1107 (by Victoria) is in the waiting too.
Best wishes to all.
Venkataramanji
Thanks for the words of inspiration. In fact it is you, as no2, who are an inspiration to us. For Mumbaikar8 I have another title. She is the head of our ‘grievances cell’ for taking our cases to the admin and it is because of her that these records are being broken in both the posts.
Regarding further targets, I would tell a haryanvi saying which means we look up at the fire on the mountain but fail to notice that which is raging near us. So dont show us the mountain top of 1107. उसके चक्कर में हम कहीं खाई में जा गिरेंगे.
You are right that it is a teamwork and a topic like this can not survive so long without it. I would give you an example. I have noted down a list of around 50 contra pairs. I have not counted but there are certainly more than 40. But, you have seen that I have posted many songs based on the inspiration I got from songs posted by other friends. The story that is happening with me is that, if I use 2 from my list by the evening I add 4 to that list and the booster dose is growing. Looking at that list and the regular participation of other friends, I can say that we can reach 1000. But, if friends vanish, the inspiration vanishes. That is why I was trying to keep you rooted to this post. I would ask you again to listen to this request
कभी कभी हमारी गली आया करो
चाय पियो पान वान खाया करो. 😉
Here is a film song for this occasion. You must be remembering there was a similar song in film Kundan sung by SD Batish and Sudha Malhotra and picturised on the pair which gave us ‘teri patli kamar teri bali umar’ which tickled us no end. Here also Om Prakash and Manorama are doing the same thing they did in Dus Lakh. You can see Shakeel’s wonders never end and the great tune is by the greatest ‘badnaseeb’ composer Ghulam Muhammad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70k5FCtzJjE
Hans @893,
Phool tumhein bheja hai khat mein, phool nahin mera dil hai: The flower is the symbol of love, now universally accepted.
Mujhe ye phool na de tujhko dilbari ki kasam: I thought the guy had allergy to flowers, many people do have. But I watched the video, that was not the case. Sunil Dutt’s only point was that the flowers were nothing compared to the freshness of Meena Kumari’s lips. Are there any songs of real allergy?
@894,
Nice contra. In one case the pathway is the place for expectant waiting. In the other, no one is there on the old pathways sympathetic to our dejected hero.
@897,
But Shammi Kapoor was also at times dismissive of ‘haseens’: Haseen ho tum khuda nahin ho tumhara sajda nahin karenge (he pronounces ‘sizda’).
@904,
The lovers realised the perils of ‘nain milana’ – Nain so nain naahi milaao. But in Nainowali ne dil mera loota, Sadhana knew that she had completely bewitched her husband, and was singing for his feelings.
Mr Muli @895,
Nice additions. Deb Mukherjee is the dying lamp of the night, whereas Dheeraj is the monarch of the night. Perfect contra.
@903,
The person who take over someone’s hardship in love shows some agency: Tum apna ranj-o-gham apni pareshani mujhe de do. But in Main to pyar se tere piya maan sajaungi the lady wants nothing but to spend her entire life in the angana of her husband, install his idol in his heart, and bow her head in his temple-home.
Venkataramanji @ 905,
This post is now on auto-pilot. It is now in the readers’ hands where and how to safe-land it, it is also in their hands how far it goes. Thanks a lot for your best wishes.
Sun bal brahamachari main hoon kanya kunwari – Lata/Mukesh in Sanyasi.
https://youtu.be/8moVRuvdwTo
Kaisi zulmi banayi taine nari ke mara gaya brahmachari – Manna Dey in Chitralekha.
https://youtu.be/5lSD2XYHWrg
AK, NV,
I, with my blinders on, am focused only on contra lyrics but Mr Muli @ 895 and Hans @ 896 are turning it into multi-dimensional.
Getting interesting day by day.
Hans @ 894
I had Aaj puroni rahon se koi in mind but with another Rafi
classic
Main Yeh Soch Kar Uske Dar Se Utha Tha | Rafi | Haqeeqat
https://youtu.be/-qZuV08VTjU
Mr Muli @ 903
However all of them are brought down to earth by Kaifi Azmi when in Anupama he writes
“Kya dard Kisika Lega Koi
How about Sahir’s cynicism?
Kaun rota hai kis aur ki khatir ay dost sab ko apni hi kisi baat pe rona aaya
https://youtu.be/KcZ3GSHpJ3s?t=162
AK,
Continuing with zulf, from where Hans left @ 827
Sahir and Rajinder Krishan on zulf
कमाल of Zulf is similar but the approach is contrasting.
Yeh Zulf Agar Khul (HD) – Kaajal Songs
https://youtu.be/xxDC0XXL1o0
EK KALI MUSKAYEE – ZULF BIKHRATI CHALI AAYEE HO
https://youtu.be/RoS6P5cKAOo
Hansji @ 869,
As per your directive I would not try proving anything. I would strictly adhere to your directive. And thanks for all that you said.
Coming to the last part; yes, the total comments for the day must have crossed 100 and I would come with the details at the most appropriate time.
@ 906,
Yes I remember both the songs, from Dus Lakh and Kundan.
Thanks for the posting.
Thank you for the invitation for tea.
Does the पान वान, is inclusive of नाश्ता and मध्याह्न-भोजन?
I would like to have शुद्ध हरयाणवीभोजन.
But I don’t want be a कबाब में हड्डी in this शानदार महफ़िल.
Mumbaikar8 @ 911
The final target is enjoyment, so I think there is no harm in being multi-dimensional.
@912
That is the beauty of this contra songs topic. One song can serve as contra to many and the different pairs give different feel. That is why I am dealing in contra songs only, because for intra-contra old songs have to be checked for fear of repetition. Josephji mentioned this difficulty @ 851.
@ 913
Meera said ‘he ri main to prem diwani mera dard na jane koi’. Baat to sadiyon purani hai par kahne ke dhang nirale hain. Hemant Kumar sang ‘ya dil ki suno’ in Anupama, but is saying just the opposite thing in ‘le le dard paraya’ in Chhote Babu which also looks true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvYZxz5a3Sw
@ 913
Zulf is such a topic which makes us nostalgic each time this is mentioned. Whether it was ‘tumhari zulf ke saye men’, ‘zulfon ko hatale chehre se’ (requesting her to remove the zulf), ‘chehre pe giri zulfen’ (offering to remove the zulf himself), or ‘na jhatko zulf se pani’, Rafi seems to be enjoying the ‘khuli zulf’. But Mukesh told her ‘bikhrake zulfen chaman men na jana’ which was posted by me. Even there Mukesh had given a hint to do something to her zulf. But, in Banarsi Thug, Mukesh made a direct request, ‘khuli khuli zulfon ko bandh bhi lo, ho jaye na duniya men sham kahin’. What a song. Usha Mangeshkar must be feeling proud to be associated with that song, as well as Vijaya Chaudhary, who rarely appeared in lead roles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBiKYNQDYJM
चाय वाय and पान वान is offered to temporary visitors and as you were not ready to do even that, I offered them. If you really intend to visit my home, come with at least two spare days and we will give a fair taste of haryanvi food, which you would remember at least until you visit us again.
On कबाब में हड्डी, I would just say that nowadays vegetarian kababs are also being served and their is no chance of having हड्डी in it.
Hans Ji @916
To Your grand collection of Zulf songs kumkum would have said
Chedo na Meri zulfe
It’s a fitting tribute to all 3 , kumkum, kk & Chitragupt.
https://youtu.be/2N47eWtoHRc
How can decline such an invitation right from the heart?
Let me try to post at least one pair.
Posting a pair of Non film contra songs both recorded in 1967.
Gira Do Parda Ki Daastan Khali Ho Gayi Hai, I think the composition is in Raga Todi.
Hemant Kumar, Gulzar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBw7YEkr4OI
To my ears there seems to be some similarity with the song ‘Chhupaa Lo Yun Dil Men Pyaar Meraa’, Mamta (1966).
Now the contra song,
Abhi Na Parda Girao Teharo Ke Dasatan Aage Aur Bhi Hai – Based on Bageshree
Hemant Kumar, Gulzar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_edEPiRpMY
Hope the songs fit the theme and the standards.
…auro ko pilaate rahte hai aur khud pyase rah jaate hai ,
ye pine vaale kya jaane paimaano pe kya guzri hai, guzri hai
diwano se ye mat puchho…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Deewanon se ye… / 1967 / UPKAR / Kalyanji Anandji / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/7eEgZkaBcfo
He says… Felicitations to all on this happy occasion , I am happy , do not misread my tears , I have lost my balance . Tears are of many types … when you are sad or even when you are happy you can get tears but the world does not understand this… something of mine is of someone else now , … An old relationship has been broken for a new one…
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Mai to deewana… ‘ / 1967 / MILAN / LP / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/Cg393BADFSo
Hans ji,
Zulf is really a fascinating subject. There are as many songs as are hairstyles. See how gurudutt is carried away by waheeda in pyassa milestone song….zulf shhane pe mudi ek khusbu si udhi., khul gaye raaz kaayi, baat kuchh ban hi gayi. Like wise sunil dutt lost in charms of leela nayidu…..zulf lehraiyi teri aur meri takdeer bani…. Now contra to this could be…johney walker…zulf ke phande mein phaas gayi jaan. I hope these songs are not repeats, so no links are submitted.
Muliji @ 918
This is not only a fitting tribute to them but also a contra to ‘chehre pe giri zulfen, kahdo to hata doon main’.
There is no end to the zulf songs. Here is the he man saying
‘zulfon ko aap yun na sanwara karo
ishq warna kisi din bahak jayega’
This is from film Chandan Ka Palna which was one of the early films which I saw in cinema hall. After listening to RDB’s songs from 70s and 80s you would not believe he composed this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6R4FxwtSqk
And look at this pahalwan bhai of Dara Singh, making just the opposite request and saying
‘is se pehle ki haseen raat ka jadu jage
apni zulfon ko sungha kar mujhe behosh karo’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZlr6kLadz0
Kahan gaye wo zulfon ke aise gane likhte the, compose karte the aur gaate the, ho humen nasha chadha dete the.
Joseph ji @ 920
Your intra Contra has he serving tirelessly to others without quenching his thirst
A possible contra is Sadhna asking the saki to give more ( saki Seems to be reluctant)
Kaise rahu chup – Intequam
https://youtu.be/5eNqwidOf34
Hans @ 866
Continuing funny instances of 812.
Yesterday on Raksha Bandhan getting nostalgic I remembered the lyrics murder I did loooooong time back.
It is ever green Rakhi song bhaiya mere rakhi ke bandhan ko nibhana,.
I would sing Bhai ke, “ujde” in place of “ujle”, mathe pe bahen lagaye mangal tika.
I do not remember, whether it was deliberate to tease the “ canewala headmaster or it just ignorance.
Obvious contra Rakhi songs
Rang Birangi Rakhi Leke Aayi Bahana
https://youtu.be/O7hhjknKC6I
mere bhaiya ko sandesha..Didi1959_Lata_Sahir
https://youtu.be/NV_RPw90OUY
There was a you tube video showing a collection of Madan Mohan’s “Aankhe” songs . OPN’s Julf songs can be equally formidable . Apart from the songs mentioned above one can still find zulf in
Zulfe hai ya badaliya, ye hai reshmi zulfo ka, zilfo ki chaaon me and his obsession continued till zulf laharai to sawan ka mahina . But there is one unusual song from Ek Musair Ek Hasina which takes the cake :
O Yaar zulfowale
And there is another from Naya daur extolling hero’s zulfe
Ude jab Jab zulfe teri . For which there is a contra which I may post later on.
AKji:
Intra-contra?
‘Do dil dhadak rahein hain aur aawaj ek hai’ (Talat, Asha in Insaaf; MD: Chitragupta)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KkW8I3Idqw
Continuing with zulf songs. I think most us might have listened the Mukesh beauty ‘itna husn pe huzoor na guroor kijiye’ from Muhabbat Isko Kahte Hain. Can anyone hearing its audio believe that lady being addressed is Tun Tun and person lipsyncing is Kumud Tripathi, a small time comedian. Of particular interest is the second antara.
रोको जुल्फ को यहीं,
काबू दिल पे अब नहीं,
ये दीवाना आपका
ज़ुल्फें छू ना ले कहीं।
https://youtu.be/NH4X1N0v3yw
In Kahin Din Kahin Raat, a song sung by Mahendra kapoor is filmed on Johnny Walker, saying ‘o yaron ki tamanna hai teri zulfon men phans jayen’.
https://youtu.be/lJx7PboBsAo
Hearing the above song one would think this a wierd wish. But, see what the guru Rafi is saying ‘kanton men phansa anchal, zulfon men phansa ye dil, haye ho gayi muskil’ – Do Dil.
https://youtu.be/NRGABMaxGtU
I dont know the reasons, but the chela MK, after declaring his wish goes and asks in Dil Aur Mohabbat, ‘zulfon ki talashi de de mere dil ki ho gayi chori’ in the antara, though the song starts as ‘ankhon ki talashi dede’.
https://youtu.be/dh-ibpZcRsE
She: Return my heart . He : What kind of a person are you ? First you give me your heart and then ask me to return it !
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Tu mera dil lauta …’/ 1957 / MAI BAAP / OPN / Geeta , Rafi
https://youtu.be/2Lxbih7nmRw
A song of contrasts between the past and modern day ladies …
He says he is shattered as today their love is not like those of laila , heer or such others , …they would not die for you , they look at your pockets , they cannot be trusted…
A possible intra contra song…
‘Ab mohabbat mein…’/ 1963 / BANARSI THUG / Iqbal Qureshi /Rafi
https://youtu.be/2mvsNa9_pno
Venkatramanji @ 602:
Here is Sahir’s take on ‘Itne qarib’, a Talat-Mubarak intra-contra duet, ‘Itne qareeb aake phi na jaane kisliye kuchh ajnabi se aap hain kuchh ajnabi se hum’ from Shagun (MD: Khayyam):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2laG6srErss
Venkataramanji @ 919
Thanks for accepting the request. I heard the two songs carefully, as they were new to me. It was painful to hear the once great voice of Hemant Kumar. Regarding the tunes you know better. The tune of the second song seems to be like ‘sitaron ke aage jahan aur bhi hain’. The two lines of mukhda of Iqbal’s poem were used as prelude to the song ‘shamma par jal ke bhi parwana fana hota nahin’ sung by Asha in Meenar. Lyricist is Rajendra Krishan and composer CRamchandra. The idea of the second song Gulzar has taken from this song and developed it around with his stock eloquent wording. He wrote great lyrics early on, but later fell into this habit of using lyrics of songs which were less popular but had good lyrics, as base material for his songs. The first song was perhaps purposely written as contra, but lyrics of this song are awful for a name like Gulzar. Instrumentation of the first song is like some person like Hans, who knows nothing about them, is multi-tasking with them one by one. Here is the link to the Meenar song.
https://youtu.be/mD35xRhdEkM
Keep posting songs.
Bhatiaji @ 922
The songs mentioned by you are fit for the post and ‘zulf ke phande phans gayi jaan’ is contra to other songs. Moreover, ‘jane kya tune kahi is in itself one of the great inter-contra songs. For the contra songs post, if both songs are repeated, only then they are repeat songs.
Cansyaji @ 931,
Thanks for posting the nice intra-contra song ‘Itne qareeb aake phir na jaane kisliye kuchh ajnabi se aap hain kuchh ajnabi se hum’ . I am surprised it was not posted earlier.
Posting another composition penned by Faiz Ahmed Faiz in a different context.
Not sure whether it would be an apt posting
Ham ke Thehre ajnabi itni madaaraatoN ke baad
Phir baneiN ge aashna kitni mulaaqaatoN ke baad
Ustad Moin Khan & Sorju Bhattacharya presents Faiz Ahmed Faiz’s ‘Ham ke Thehre ajnabi’ and Kazi Nazrul Islam’s ‘’Money pode aaj shay kon’ in tandem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_90dhHsllM&feature=emb_title
Humen haale dil tumse kahna hai, kahiye- Chaubees Ghante – Talat/Asha – Bipin-Babul – lyrics Raja Mehndi Ali Khan.
https://youtu.be/_keCa-OXzsY
Hum hale dil sunayenge, suniye ke na suniye – Madhumati – Mubarak Begum.
https://youtu.be/2FxThzBUW_4
There are so many songs extolling zulfe one way or other that it is difficult to find a contra.
But there is
Use jab jab julfe teri – Naya Daur
Not only Vaijayantimala but all the kuwaariyas are enamoured by Dilipkumars Zulfe.
https://youtu.be/tYbjBsAPlTo
Ye aaj Kal ke ladke- Dillagi
But here Mala Sinha is disdainful & derides them as
Kabutar, kabutar
This song was pretty popular when I was a kid, especially the kabutar part.
https://youtu.be/fQW3VwUjfXU
Hans @910,
In Sun bal brahmachari main hun kanya kumari the lady has come determined to spoil the penance of the life-long celibate. In Kaisi zulmi banayi taine nari ki mara gaya bal brahmchari, the celibate has been ensnared in her charms and is ruing that all his ‘tap’ has gone waste. The lady has succeeded in her designs. I don’t find contra in these songs.
@935,
Humein haal-e-dil tumse kahna hai, kahiye: This is a song of perfect understanding, the two are in perfect sync.
Hum haal-e-dil sunayenge suniye ke na suniye: The lady is not bothered whether the other side has any interest in listening to his story. Nice contra song.
Mumbaikar8 @914,
Granted. In the first case the zulf are still tied, and the hero wishes it opens and spreads. In the second song, the lady is coming with her open hair swaying in the breeze.
Venkataramani @919,
Gira do parda ki daastan khali ho gayi hai: Its metre is shorter than Chhupa lo yun dil mein pyar mera ki jaise mandir mein lau diye ki, therefore, tune is also different (Yaman?). My ears.
Would Parde mein rahne do, parda na uthao, parda jo uth gaya to bhed khul jayeg be contra to the last song?
Mr Joseph @920,
Deewanon se mat poochho.. Auron ko pilate rahte hain, aur khud opyae rah jate hain is a very nice intra-contra song.
@921,
Mubarak ho sabko saman ye suhana, main khush hun mere aansuon pe na jana: We all know he was deeply sad, yet he chose to sing ‘I am happy, don’t go by my tears.’ Nice intra-contra song.
@929,
Tu mera dil lauta de: We do not know have the full information if the transfer was permanent, or only for safekeeping to be returned in due course, in which case she is right in demanding it back.
@930,
A nice intra-contra song.
Canasya @927,
If there are two hearts pulsating with emotions, even if they are in perfect sync, would appear as sounds from two sources. therefore, I agree with you, it can bean intra-contra.
AKji @ 939,
You are right .
Chhupa lo yun dil mein is absolutely Yaman. You are on the dot.
I realised it later. I should have listened to the song before posting.
Thanks AKji.
Canasyaji, @ 931 NV @ 934
Sahir’s intra contra ‘Itne qareeb aake phir na jaane kisliye kuchh ajnabi se aap hain kuchh ajnabi se hum’
For Asad Bhopali it is Ajanbi tum jane pahchane lagte seho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxk21D1PNNk
NV@ 919
I would agree with Hans @ 932 about Hemant Kumar’s singing, particularly with the first ghazal.
I would repeat what AK said about MS @ 872.
“But with due respects, did MS have to try her hand at ghazal?”
Though I did not completely agree with AK on MS.
I felt apart from her pronunciation she had done justice.
Hans @ 935
You have two songs of “haal e dil suna diya”.
Ab unki suniye jo haale dil suna na sake.
Suman Kalyanpur Fariyad hale dil sunana tha sunaya na gaya
https://youtu.be/aATGXFKdeGw
Raj Kumari Aap beeti woh poonchhte rahen hum hale dil sun na sake
https://youtu.be/enVpqv9YRO4
Mumbaikar8,
In this song there is ‘Haal-e-dil sunana’, but it is impossible to do it, so the lady makes her eyes as her voice.
Haal-e-dil yun unhein sunaya gaya/Aankh hi ko zuban banaya gaya by Lata Mangeshkar from Jahan Ara, music Madan Mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPikb2v3MI4
AK & Mumbaikar8
क्या बात है। मजा आ गया।
This post is a great uplifter as Mumbaikar8 said. And varied can be the situations. Mumbaikar8 pruduced two situations, in these two also there was a subtle difference. In the second she could not do it despite his asking. And AK produced an ‘bomb’ as powerful as the Beirut bomb which was contra to both.
The condition of his heart this unfaithful (bewafa) world will not appreciate but I say that happy days will return…
‘ …haale dil hamara, jane na bewafa
ye jamana jamana , suno dunia walo aayega laut kar din suhana suhana ,
hale dil hamara…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Haal e dil hamara…’ / 1960 / SHRIMAN SATYAWADI / Dattaram Wadkar / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/ITG7Y6eJY4A
Man has to only to keep working , but the results are in his hands…
‘ … tera kaam hai yahi bas kaam kiye ja
mat soch ye tu anjaam hai kya
wo kaato ke sej de ya phulo ki .
jhukne ke siva tera kaam hai kya
jhukne ke siva tera kaam hai kya
aadmi chirag hai uski chalegi kya
chalti hawa ke saamne
ho ho tu bhi majbur hai main bhi majbur hu , uski raja ke saamne… ‘
A possible intra contra song …
Chhod bhi de majdhar/ BARKHA / Chitragupt / Rafi
https://youtu.be/5u_VSHyav_0
Mumbaikar8 @ 925
Happy Rakhshabandhan, though it is late. Your description of ‘ujle’ and ‘ujde’ is interesting, but both can be true in different situations. I have an elder sister, and a cousin who is my chhoti behan. I love my cousin more than my real sister. But, due to different reasons, I am away from both. So the ‘ujla matha’ is now ‘ujda matha’. On Rakhi, I just have the option of listening to some rakhi songs.
The last antara in ‘bhaiya mere rakhi ke bandhan ko nibhana’ says
बहन पराये देश बसी हो
और वो तुम तक पहुंच ना पाये
याद का दीपक जलाना
https://youtu.be/ItCxB6tRXJM
In Hare Rama Hare Krishna, in Kishore Kumar version are the lines
मैं ना भूला तू कैसे मुझको गयी भूल
https://youtu.be/WFWrnCFPMD4
Both these look contra to me.
Hans @ 932,
Thank you for your insightful response to my postings.
Hansji , Mumbarkarji @ 943
I think, the link I posted contained the 1980-rerecorded version of the song, when Hemant Kumar was past his prime.
The original recording was in 1967. I am posting a link of the 1967 recording. The beat is (lay) bit faster and the orchestration is also different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpnV99REDbk
As far as the quality of the lyrics, you are the authority. Since the first recording was in 1967, the songs should have been penned by Gulzar early in his career, when he was in his early thirties.
Akji @ 939
Parde mein rahne do, parda na uthao, parda jo uth gaya to bhed khul jayeg seems to be an apt contra to the song ‘Abhi Na Parda Girao Teharo Ke Dasatan Aage Aur Bhi Hai ‘.
Mumbaikarji @ 943
Thank you for posting Asad Bhopali’s ‘Ajanbi tum jane pahchane lagte seho’.
From Zulf to paoon / kadam/pair
Mere pairome ghoongaru bandha de – Sangharsh
Where Dilipkumars has to wear ghoongaru for changing his chaal
https://youtu.be/cO_GOZ6VezQ
Pag ghoongaru Baandh Meera nachi this
Aur hum naache bin Ghoongaru ke
AB dances in his own way without ghoongaru
https://youtu.be/cTvUrpSr9ck
On to kadam now
Mohobat me aise kadam dagmagaye – Anarkali
She is not able to put right foot forward
https://youtu.be/fMe161rZwnA
Bekhudi me Sanam
uth Gaye Jo kadam
They are walking in the right direction
https://youtu.be/FbIjbjhykg4
AKji:
‘Nirbal se ladaai balwaan ki’ (Manna Dey in ‘Toofan aur Diya; MD: Vasant Desai)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-igwb2tYpA
‘ michael hai to cycle hai , michael jo nahi cycle bhi nahi…
dil hai to dildar bhi hai , dildar nahi to dil bhi nahi…
ho mai na hu to hai bekar tera jhumna…
badal hai tu to mai barkha hu tere pyar ki , arey badal hai to barkha hai barkha jo nahi badal bhi nahi…
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Michael hai to…’/ 1960 / BEWAKOOF / SDB / Rahi , Lata
https://youtu.be/WsVUssw7y9I
‘ O dekh idhar dekh, tera dhyan kaha hain , sar pe budhapa hain magar, dil to jawa hain ,sar pe budhapa hain magar, dil to jawa hain ,
dekh idhar dekh, tera dhyan kaha hain…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ O Dekh idhar tera…/1960 / BEWAKOOF / SDB / Asha
https://youtu.be/vuYToMcuCbs
Kadam ka bahakna to jiya ka dharakna
Kadam Behke Behke Jiya Dhadak Dhadak Jaye – Lata Mangeshkar – BANK MANAGER
https://youtu.be/vv5DeLBdgGs
Yiya ka dhakana to usko sambhaalna
Sambhal Aye Dil Tadapne Aur Tadpaane Se Kya Hoga
https://youtu.be/pe33n89CI7Q
Two similar phrases ” ruke ruke se kadam” & paaon ruk ruk ke
Used in 2 contrasting situations
Ruke ruke see kadam – Mausam
https://youtu.be/qffEu_c4zvI
Jane Kya tune kahi- pyaasa
https://youtu.be/mLGCAGHNTJU
@ 877 Josephji posted ‘duniya men rehna hai to kaam karo pyare’ and presented a contra in ‘is duniya men rehna hai to’ from Gumnaam. That was one aspect. The other aspect is born out of the ‘words kaam karo pyare’. There have been many songs asking people to do something. But what about the opposite. There was a doha assigned to the name of Malook Das.
‘ajgar kare na chaakri panchhi kare na kaam,
daas malooka kah gaye sab ke data raam.’
This doha was used as prelude to the song sung by Rafi, ‘raam naam japna paraya maal apna’ from Suvarna Sundari, with second line changed as
‘hum kahe khatpat karen jab sabke daata raam’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vUuiv-K5KI
A song on the same lines and slight change in mukhda and different antaras was used in Do Dil. Rafi being the singer again. ‘raam raam japna’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_tw9hIrwSQ
Chitalkar sang a song for Dev Anand in Baarish, with the same concept. ‘Dane dane pe likha hai khane wale ka naam’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpRQmx2pg20
@ 886
Josephji posted ‘badi door se aaye hain pyar ka tohfa laye hai’. Here is its exact opposite.
Ye tohfa tumrare pyar ka dil se pyara jaan se pyare – Nai Roshni – Asha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdBOCdVGJj0
AKji:
A case of progressive concessions—unlock 1, unlock 2, unlock 3, … ?
‘Nadi naare na jaao Shaam paiyan padoon’ to ‘Nadi naare jo jaao to jaibo karo, beech dhaare na jaao’ to ‘beech dhaare jo jaao to jaibo karo, us paare na jaao …’ to ‘us paare jo jaao to jaibo karo, sang savatiya na laao’ to ‘sang savatiya jo laao to laibo karo, humka na milao Shaam paiyan padoon’ (Asha in ‘Mujhe Jeene Do’; MD: Jaidev):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txitmlpbr1M
AK @ 890
You mentioned the two songs from the film Aas – 1953, which had two different surrogate songs for the lead actors, filmed on the same dancing pair, but the link was from some bhojpuri film. I give here the links for both the songs.
Dekhoji dekho ek baar is taraf – Lata/Mukesh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lyV6VxsIpE
Pyar hoke rahega – Lata/Talat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h41SQ5usOgw
‘ mann re tu kahe na dhir dhare…
………………………………………………..
…utna hi upkar samajh koyi jitna sath nibha de ,
janam maran ka mel hai sapna, yeh sapna bisra de ,
koyi na sang mare …
A possible intra contra song….
‘Man re tu …’/ 1964 / CHITRALEKHA / Roshan / Rafi
https://youtu.be/uA2FhgF6VY4
Josephji posted a great intra-contra song ‘sambhal ae dil’ from Sadhana’ There are the lines
‘jahan basna nahin mumkin wahan jane se kya hoga’.
Did Sahir believe in a theory, the opposite of Ghalib, based on the saying that man is a social animal. Ghalib had said ‘rahiye ab aisi jagah chalkar jahan koi na ho’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GaD5PAG0M
In Arzoo Majrooh worked on this concept of Ghalib and wrote ‘ae dil mujhe aise jagah le chal jahan koi na ho’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7LtH-YJ8Os
..kahe jiyara tarsaye, kahe tarsaye jiyara……………………………………..
…nit nit jage na, nit nit ja
nit nit jage na, nit nit ja
nit nit jage na, soya singar, soya singar , jhanjar jhan jhanan, nit naa bulaye ,
kahe jiyara tarsaye, kahe tarsaye jiyara…’
‘ kahe tarsaye jiyara…’ /1964 / CHITRALEKHA / Roshan / Rafi
https://youtu.be/nOq53Glastw
‘ haye kaisi julmi , kaisi julmi banai taine nari , ke mara gaya ,
ke mara gaya barahmachari…………
…bade jatno sath banai thi
han banai thi , mori barso ki punye kamai thi , han kamai thi ,
taine pal mein haye , taine pal mein bhasam kar dali ,
ke mara gaya ,
ke mara gaya barahmachari ,
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Mara gaya brahmachari… ‘ / 1964 / CHITRALEKHA / Roshan / Manna Dey
https://youtu.be/5lSD2XYHWrg
Josephji posted a song ‘deewanon se ye mat poochho’ from Upkar. There is a line in the song ‘ye peenewale kya jane paimanon pe kya gujari hai’. But there are some who care for the ‘paimana’ alias ‘jaam’.
In Dooj Ka Chand, Rafi calls the ‘jaam’ as his sathi. So obviously giving respect, though after the ‘jaam’ became khali.
‘Mehfil se uth jane walo’ – Rafi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCGBaPTUmT8
And another. Manna Dey has so much respect for the ‘jaam’ that he calls dealing with as a full time job and other jobs have to wait.
‘Abhi to hath men jaam hai tauba kitna kaam hai’ – Seeta Aur Geeta’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w21YFsjBPEc
There have been some responses to Canasya’s song at 931. But nobody got a song of the early happy days. Here is the one
Aap jabse kareeb aaye hai – Rafi/Asha – Noor Jahan.
Canasya @ 960
Great connect with unlock. I give here a small but sweet concession from Taqdeer, which rends the heart.
Saat samandar par se gudiyon ke bazaar se
achhi si gudiya lana, GUDIYA CHAHE NA LANA,
pappa jaldi aa jana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke5QWnrvVbo
Hans ji
Two post 70 compositions of RD
Aap ki aankho me – Ghar
She has fragrant dreams in her eyes.
https://youtu.be/NbqCWwlNKrA
Do naino me aanso bhare- Khushboo
https://youtu.be/3eqBJuf_quM
She cannot sleep hence dreams are too far away.
Josephji posted the Barkha song, which is my great favourite, ‘aadmi charaag hai, uski chalegi kya chalti hawa ke saamne’. Canasya posted ‘nirbal se ladayi balwan ki ye kahani hai diye ki aur toofan ki’ from Toofan aur Diya which is again my great favourite. What a coincidence that both the songs are contra to each other.
Venkataramanji @ 950
The recording from 1967 is quite enjoyable and Hemant is not farm from his mesmerising days. Regarding your other comment, I would say bad habits start forming quite early, later they just magnify themselves, especially when they are glorified.
As per a folk tale, a thief was convicted of theft and he called his mother to say something in her ear. She thought he would tell her some ‘chhipa khazana’. When she went to the thief, he bit her ear. When the judge asked the reason he said that if she had scolded me instead of praising when I stole a pencil of my classmate, my life would have been different.
Gulzar was a multifaceted genius and I like a lot of his lyrics and almost all his early films.
AK @ 937
I think you have listened to half of the first song and gave your opinion or looked at it from some other angle. Look at the response of Mukesh who through the whole song is avoiding her calling himself ‘sant jati sati’. But in the other song all his ‘sant jati sati’ status has gone and he is saying himself that he is ‘mara gaya’ though he is enjoying being among the ladies. Both the songs are in themselves intra-contra too.
In film Baharon Ke Sapne – 1967, there was a song ‘chunari sambhal gori, udi chale jaye re maar na de dank kahin nazar teri haye, dekh dekh pag na fisal jaye re’. This is a double tuned song. Manna Dey continues singing the mukhda lip synced by Anwar Hussain. Lat sings the antaras for Asha Parekh who sends encouraging message to Rajesh Khanna across the congregation. The antaras have intra-contra lines like ‘thokar lagi hans de ham basane wale dil ke nagar ke’. But this is nop about intra-contra of the antaras. I will present contra to the mukhda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbSTvAcajHw
Going against the Manna Dey advice, this small time actress sings ‘hawa men udta jaye’ in Barsaat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm87fGL4reE
But some one may object, when Manna Dey was specifically talking about ‘chunari’ then why ‘dupatta’. For those cynics, here is ‘gaya bachpan jo aayi jawani to chunari patang ho gayi’ from Ankhon Ankhon Mein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93CqNOFQMyg
And Manna Dey himself tells the consequences of not taking proper care of the chunari. ‘Laga chunari men daag chhupaun kaise’ – Dil Hi To Hai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD5Pe4k3myI
In Lahore Nargis Sings Rajinder Krishan’s words to the effect that spring will come again but we will not be together . This is a scene of imminent divergence.
https://youtu.be/lqqbwfAoM3s
In Jaal Dev is making an all out effort to woo Geeta through Sahir’s words meaning that if you do not come now with me the spring will never be back
https://youtu.be/4GfUK9Urb6I
Muliji @ 869
It is ‘aapki ankhon men kuchh mehke hue se raaj hain’. The second line says ‘aapse bhi khoobsoorat aapke andaz hai’. In the second line the male is praising the female’s ‘andaz’. But in ‘andaz mera mastana mange dil ka nazrana’ she is praising herself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh6fHPDAJRQ
In the above song the lady was not only praising herself, but issuing stern warning which smacked of ‘guroor’. So Dev Anand took up this matter with Madhubala, who turned out to be having more ‘guroor’ than Meena Kumari. The song is from Jali Note, one of the many magical touches of OPN.
Dil hai aapka huzoor lijiye na lijiyue’ – Rafi/Asha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBg6MdyLYVQ
But this sober pair of Bharat Bhushan and Vyjyantimala in Naya Kanoor has sorted it out between themselves.
‘lijiye dil ka nazrana, lijiye ankh ka shukrana’ – Rafi/Asha again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPa_gNfdaT4
Muliji @ 974
The song ‘baharen aayengi hothon pe phool khilenge’ from Navratri could act as contra to both of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbLYhrp_BM
Hans ji @ 968:
‘From lockdown to unlock’ perhaps opens up another frontier for this post! Here is ‘Aasman se aaya farishta’ (Rafi in ‘An Evening in Paris’; MD: SJ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=255&v=NZFU8LMVTCo&feature=emb_logo
Mere bachpan tu ja, ja jawani ko le aa, ja we ja tainu rab da vasta – Lata – Kachche Dhage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9HFcX5_8OI
Wapas le le ye jawani – Lata – Tarana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI06UqFwuzI
Hans ji @ 968:
Come to think of it, there are some hit songs which travel from lockdown to unlock within three minutes, for instance, ‘Bol Radha bol’ mentioned by Mumbaikar ji @ 304. Another is ‘Baghon mein bahar hai’ (Rafi-Lata in Aaradhana; MD: SDB):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78JhA_TJvBI
Canasya @ 979
Even after marriage – which should be a complete unlock situation – there is constant lock-unlock, which is suggested in this Sachche Moti song ‘garaz ho to nakhre dikhati hai biwi’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWU7ZWNm2A4
Hans ji @980:
A delightful song, a Sahir-N Dutta combo, I believe. Here is another ‘about-turn’ in 3 minutes: ‘Jhoot bole kauwa kaate’ (Lata-Shailendra Singh in Bobby; MD: LP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfTC5cJpmwA
Canasya @ 981
Any song on Johny walker has to be delightful. In the Bobby song the male threatens her. But now the times have changed. Here is Haryanvi song in which the wife brings ‘pudine ki chatney’ but the husband wants ‘masala daal’. But as soon as the wife threatens, he yields to the ‘pudine ki chutney’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enz9IH68QhM
‘ Jis din is duniya se….
…. insaan ke dil me jab tak bhi takat ka nasha aur lalach hai(2), …..
ye duniya jahnnaum hi hogi ye aaj bhi sach kal bhi sach hain ,
jab apni apni mehanat hi sabki daulat kahlayegi ,
us roz ye insaan nachega us roz ye dharti gayegi
us roz ye dharti gayegi…
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Jis din is …/ 1960 / MAA BAAP / Chitragupt / Rafi
https://youtu.be/5OvhuQPcGX8
‘ O bekarar dil, o bekarar dil
ho chuka hain mujhko aansuo se pyar
mujhe tu khushi na de
nayi jindagi na de
o bekarar dil
ho chuka hain mujhko aansuo se pyar
mujhe tu khushi na de
nayi jindagi na de
o bekarar dil…
A possible intra contra song…
‘ O beqarar dil …’ / 1964 / KOHRA / Hemant Kr /Lata
https://youtu.be/KxOGhSp1oEU
He says : I am returning the love that you gave me…
A possible intra contra song…
…’ Jo pyar Maine…’/ 1964 / DULHA DULHAN / Kalyanji Anandji / Mukesh
https://youtu.be/TDmoZhHbE80
Nargis asking just the natural question. Pardes balam tum jaoge, kaho meri kasm kab aaoge -Mela.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hml49TUcHww
But, Sharmila Tagore is here in two different situations. First the sad one. ‘Mera pardesi na aaya’ – Mere Humsafar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AunfQ2AC2aQ
And the other one is a happy one. ‘Khayi hai re humne kasam’ – Talash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6jstWsJElE
Jane kahan mer jigar gaya ji – Mr and Mrs 55. He says he has lost his dil and she pretends to find for him, with intra contra nok jhonk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPN1z5At8_o
But here he directly blames her. ‘Dil mera aaj kho gaya hai kahin’ – Door Ki Awaz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY9eKDeMhqQ
He proudly declares his deewanapan. ‘Main deewana mastana’ – Mukesh – Forty Days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_4gm9enQkM
Mukesh again but in a sad situation. ‘Haan deewana hoon main’ – Saranga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgobAz7L1Js
But here Mukesh does not know whether he is deewana or just intoxicated with love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBxDcoFVdVQ
Here is Mukesh again. ‘Diwana mujhko log kahen’ from Deewana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wApj7mAYJ3Y
Here it is Rafi who gives tit for tat. ‘Ja ja re ja deewane ja’ – Grahasthi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8SC_1nqhsM
Lock to unlock
Naino mein neendiya hai – Joru ka Gulam
https://youtu.be/8P-tckjfm10
The lady here evades every attempt saying jagah Khali nahi hai but in the end gives the most coveted place.
This is also a contra to
need kabhi rahati Thi is Dil me-
Aasra
https://youtu.be/8j63PX-O4Jg
Guljar RD combo again
Tere bina jiya Jaye na – Ghar
https://youtu.be/9j5bnsNS-FE
Tere bina jindgi see koi – Aandhi
https://youtu.be/8-HnmVg0-O8
Chali ban ke dulhan, unse lagi lagan, mera maike men jee ghabrawat hai – Lata – Subah Ka Tara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg4d1SJt264
Chhod babul ka ghar mohe pi ke nagar – Babul – Shamshad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndoA_XfGKNo
Dear SoY participants, Super Heroes, and all,
It would be befitting if both the posts cross the 1k mark together.
Hope my request will find favour with all.
‘ …beqaraar dil, tu gaaye jaa
khushiyo se bhare vo taraane
jinhe sun ke duniyaa jhum uthe
aur jhum uthe dil divaane
beqaraar dil…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Beqaraar dil tu…’/ 1971 / DOOR KA RAHI / Kishore Kr / Kishore , Sulakshna Pandit
https://youtu.be/HVU4lAR8juc
Chal ri sajni ab kya soche – Mukesh – Bambai Ka Babu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4COlOullXhE
Itni jaldi kya hai gori sajan ke ghar jane ki – Sati Savitri.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiW6G8OG-g
‘… It is bad to go to shady places … people are cheats …they will seduce you and then become a killer …they will embrace you but their eyes are on your pockets…; … come to me ,… I am special and endowed with worthy qualities and you will not find anyone like me anywhere in this world…
‘ Aise waise thhikano …’/ 1958 / SADHNA / N Datta / Lata
https://youtu.be/ThJyFd7rba8
Tu is tarah se meri zindagi men shamil hai – Ap To Aise Na The.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhMCB1CK_TM
Sab men shamil ho magar sab se juda lagti ho – Bahu Beti. A lot of intra contra too in this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyKfvTbW0hM
Tera husn rahe mera ishq rahe – Do Dil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJiYszfTQhQ
Na ye zameen thi na aasman tha – Sagai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2zQDvx8X_E
In both these songs the idea of amar pyar is there. But, in Asli Naqli, fear takes front seat. Tera mera pyar amar – Lata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOD8VUh-M34
Three situations of ‘dile nadan’ all with Lata.
Dile nadan ko sambhaloon to chale jaiyega – Faraar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEgSzZFPpO8
Ae dile nadan aarzoo kya hai – Razia Sultan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvuhU5Y0rlM
Ae mere dile nadan tu gam se na ghabrana – Tower House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui0fPCpl7g0
I would request Venkataramanji to have the honour of posting 1000 the post on both the themes.
Right now there are 998 here.
Therefore I would post 999th
Tum Meri jindagi me – Bombay to Goa
Meri jindagi me aate – kanyadaan
Zindagi kya hai gham ka dariya hai – Pyar Kiya To Darna Kya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB2N7cLaoLM
Zindagi hai kya sun meri jaan, ek pyar bhara dil meethi jubaan – Maya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvK4JVLWCWk
Muliji
Jiski taqdeer men jo hota hai wo milta hai. It is most befitting that 1000 came with you as this was your idea. Venkataramanji is clearly working for victory of the other post, so him posting the 1000th here would not have been fitting. Besides he is so lost in his ‘dreams’ that he has lost the ‘contra’ somewhere in the ‘dream alleys’. 😉
…kisi ki har kisi ki jeet, kisi ki har kisi ki jeet
anokhi hai yaha ki reet
anokhi hai yaha ki reet, bina sur gunjta sangeet
ye kaisa gunjan hai, ye kya pagalpan hai
thi jinse pal bhar ki pahchan…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘Thi jinse pal…’/ 1952 / TAMASHA / Asha / Khemchand Prakash
https://youtu.be/nFBCAERTiAY
Rahulji,
It was most appropriate that you posted the 1000th comment here.
You were the initiator of this post.
Congratulation to all for the tremendous effort.
Hans @946,
You are a real rasik. There is a special pleasure in participating when someone appreciates like this. Thanks.
@961,
Thanks for posting the correct link. I still don’t know how this mistake happened. I had clearly seen this video. By mistake the old copy link must have been there in the clipboard.
@988,
The three Mukesh-deewana songs you have posted are quite clear. I have another Mukesh-deewana great favourite, Deewanon se ye mat poochho deewanon pe kya guzri hai. All such party songs are of betrayal and the singer is grave, trying to hide his pain, with the other party feeling equally sad, remorseful and sometimes pained at the unjust accusation. But this song confuses me, the expression of both Manoj Kumar and Asha Bhosle are ambiguous, I can see them exchanging glances and smile, then later they switch to being tormented. The poor piano-accordion player is also equally nonplussed and pauses for a while (0.52) trying to read Manoj kumar’s face.
Deewanon se ye mat poochho deewanon pe kya guzri hai by Mukesh from Upkar (1967), lyrics Qamar Jalalabadi, music Kalyanji-Anandji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5rDi8YSaI
@989,
Again there is no ambiguity in the two deewanas.
@992, 995, 997, 998, 999,
Nice set of songs.
Mr Joseph @947,
Haal-e-dil hamara jaane na, bewafa ye zamana: A nice intra-contra song.
@948,
Chhod bhi de manhdar…Aadmi chirag hai, uski chalegi kya chalti hawa ke saamne is abeautiful intra-contra song. Hans has given a nice comment on this song @970.
@954, 955, 962, 964: Nice intra-contra songs.
@965,
We have discussed ‘brahmachari’ contra-songs earlier too, on which I commented @937, and Hans has responded to it @972,
@983, 984, 985, 994, 996, 1003: Nice intra-contra songs.
Congratulations to all of us at SOY. V V V Special mention… Rahul ji, Hans ji, S Joseph ji ,AK ji, NV ji, Mumbaikar ji, Canasya ji, ksbhatia ji, Mahesh ji, Dr Rajesh ji ?,and anyone else I may have omitted.
The post has infinite possibilities especially after the Intra contra introduction!
My role? Did someone ask?
Conspicuous by absence!
Mr Muli @951,
Very sharp observation, Amitabh Bachchan dancing without ghunghroos in Hum naace bin ghunghroo ke. Perfect contra to Dilip Kumar’s precondition that if they want to see his dancing talent they have to tie ghunghroos to his feet.
@952,
Again a bull’s eye. In the first first song the steps are moving wayward due to love, in the second they effortlessly go on the right track.
@974,
Your analysis of contra in Bahaarein phir bhi ayengi, magar hum tum juda honge and Ye raat ye chaandni phir kahan is outstanding. This gives a new way to look at lyrics.
@990,
Naino mein nindiya hai, aankhon mein kajra hai and Need kabhi rahti thi is dil mein: Both songs start saying the same thing, but you have made a very perceptive observation about divergence from this point – Rajesh Khanna is exasperated whether there is any room for him, but in the second song the lady herself removes any doubt, …Ab rahte hain saanwariya.
@1000,
You gracefully offered the honour of posting the 1K song, but while you were in Pahle aap, Pahle aap Hans posted his comment, giving you the glory, which you rightly deserved. This was your baby, and you have also nurtured it with posting some very nice songs and superb analysis. Congratulations.
Canasya @953,
Ye ladaai hai diye ki aur toofan ki: Nice intra-contra.
@Canasya @960,
Unlock 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 is a wonderful idea. Would this be a ‘Step function’? Leaving it to you to explain it in layman’s language. Many songs come to my mind. This seems to be a perfect step function:
Humne unke saamne pahle to khanjar rakh diya
Phir kaleja rakh diya
Dil rakh diya
Sar rakh diya
Aur kaha,
Chaahe to mora jiya laie le saanwariya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAvQFR7QdeI
She puts down the dagger right in the beginning, and after offering things progressively, she gives a choice to her patrons to take away her life too, if they so wish.
You have created a new theme, surprisingly there are many songs of progression. Think of Pyasi hirni ban ban dhaye. Every stanza has an element of this – Ek to hun bholi bhaali dooje akeli/ Chori chori fanda daale baanh pakad le jaye re. All songs of Ek do teen chaar paanch (Tezaab) are of this type. Unlock down is also unlocking our brain cells in unique directions.
@979, 981
You have discovered another nuance of Lockdown to Unlockdown. Na na to Haan haan; Nahin hoga to Hoga hoga hoga
Venkataramanji @1004,
The credit belongs more to Mr Muli, the original creator, and all the participants who have expanded it manifold. I was only Chal pade jidhar wo le chale
Dr Shetty @1007,
You are never absent. Your weekly best wishes off-line is a great encouragement, besides your presence on the blog. Tanks for your greetings.
I in all humility accept accolades showered by all of you though real haqdar is Ak ji.
Contra & dreams have become Sachin- Vinod partnership and as the records are meant to be broken this should also be broken in due course.
Hansji’s versatile contributions, Mumbaikarji ji’s swift additions, Joseph ji’s intra Contra deliveries, Canasya ji’s late surge of Lock to unlock and Akji’s brilliant responses have all added to the flavour of the post apart from contributions from Venkatramanji, Rajeshji Bhatiyaji and many other readers.
Hansji has mentioned about my taqdeer therefore it is appropriate to end this post with contra on Taqdeer
Naseeb me jiske Jo likha tha – Do badan
https://youtu.be/AoJ-iiWsLJA
However I should mention that yaha kisike hisse me pyaasa nahi aayi, everybody got drink of her/his choice.
Haatho ki Chand lakeero ka – Vidhata
This is intra contra + contra to above
Taqdeer hai Kya main Kya janio
https://youtu.be/xn5rvhjKIlQ
Ak ji and all of my friends…;
It can be hard to keep up your own pace when you work in a creative field. All have worked hard to make it happen . Some wanted it to happen, some wished it would happen, real followers made it happen . Embrace success with both arms, hug it, love it, and above all become passionate about it. Yes, more the merrier.
Collectively…. all I wished to state is……an intra contra motivational song…
Le chala jidhar ye dil nikal padey….Rafi…Miss Bombay….HBehal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR-4uP-TLYQ
Have a look at the following two songs which are well known.
Sawan ka mahina pawan kare sor
jiyara re jhume aise jaise banman nache more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUNx5YQuX-Y
Sawan aaye ya na aaye
jiya jab jhume sawan hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBSbnKHvsW8
One would ask where is the contra. The contra is in the ‘jhumna or jiya’ In the first song it is sawan ka mahina and ‘jiya jhume’ because of that. In the second song ‘jab bhi mera jiya jhumega’ to iska matlab sawan aa gaya.
Here is a song which is new variant in lockdown unlock situation. In ‘bhoki surat dil ke khote’ which has also lot of intra contra, the two warring parties are in lockdown position in the first two antaras. But, suddenly sign the truce in the third antara and reach a perfect unlock situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb2ef3cUrKU
AK @ 1005
I could not believe it when I typed the above number of 1005, that we have reached four figures. And as per me there is one reason. This post has so much ‘ras’ in it that I appear a rasik. In fact, it has brought out this side of some other friends to the fore-front. Actually adda culture can not be interesting without mutual appreciation.
About the link, it is normal and happens to most of us. This has happened to me also and some one had drawn attention to it, most of the times Venkataramanji, who is very meticulous in such matters, but he also makes mistakes.
About the Upkar situation, perhaps you have forgotten the situation. Manoj Kumar and Asha Parekh are having ‘sagai’, but Manoj Kumar has to leave for the war front, immediately after the party. That is why the lyrics and scene are such.
Hasarat Jaipuri and Kaifi Azmi are on the same page when they write respectively :
Aanso ka Hamare Gam na karo
Ye bahate hai to bahane do
And
Bahate huye aanso aur bahe
Ab aisi tasalli rahane do
But Sahir strikes a different note when he writes
Ponhkar ashq apni aankho see
Muskurao to koi baat bane
Interestingly in this song Sahir adorns 3 different roles
Extreme left :
apna haq sangdil jamane se chhen Pao to koi baat bane
Socialist
Rang aur bhed jaat aur majhab
Jo bhi hai aadmi se kamtar hai
Romantically optimist
Nafarato ke Jahan me hamko
Pyar ki bastiyaan basani hai
The links
1 ehsaan Tera hoga mujhpar
https://youtu.be/2ca43nTQUL0
2 ya Dil ki suno
https://youtu.be/poXBa76JNKk
3 ponchkar ashk apni aankho se
https://youtu.be/zgMnYoWYHXU
Mr Muli @1016,
I was in a dilemma whether we are killing the hen which lays golden eggs, all at once. Remember Amitabh Bachchan-Madan Puri dialogue in the film Deewaar (1975)? When Vijay performs an impossible-looking job single-handed and comes to ask for his cut, Samant instead of paying up, draws a revolver. Vijay coolly reminds him of the story of the hen which laid golden eggs, and asked him, “Kya saare ande aapko aaj hi chahiye?”
Yet I can’t help responding when some readers come up with brilliant idea and a very novel way of looking at songs. Canasya came up with Lockdown-Unlockdown progression, which Hans further developed. Now you have come with an example which is akin to the philosophy of “Thesis, Anti-thesis and Synthesis” which became the base of Marxian dialectic.
I should say here that “Samudra-Manthan” of songs and contra-songs has given us many novel gems which need to be developed separately. My preference is that this is done by originator of these ideas.
Muliji @1011
I talked about kismat which was based on some instances. The day we completed 800, I went out for my evening stint of gardening. A relative came then and my return to the desk was delayed, so we came second, though I had not even seen where the other post was heading until I checked that tab and I found 799 have been posted. That day too I and Josephji were posting songs and his and my posts are timed at 10.04 pm. Similarly, for 1000th also you and I posted at the same time and I came second on both occasions. Another coincidence is that the same relative who came that day called me to his house on the 1k day and I came back late and we again came second.
Your statement that ‘kisike hisse men pyas nahin aayi’ is also perfect. A different set of persons are taking forward the two posts. Mostly four of us are posting here with replies by AK and occasional help by some other friends. This only means we like this post. That may also be true of Dr Shetty, Dr Deshpande and Venkataramanji, who are carrying forward the other post. Dr Shetty has not showed up here since long, though he contributed a lot early on. Dr Deshpande who is leading there has never posted here. And Venkataramanji despite our ‘chai paan’ request did not find time for us, though he set the individual record of posting 74 comments in a single post on the same day. This record is not likely to be broken, unless he himself someday thinks of erasing it.
At least I can say it for myself that I cannot break it.
But I like to enjoy the way our post is going with replies and counter replies. Dehla coming after a nahla by someone. The target of 1000 has been achieved. Let us move at a normal pace.
@ 1016
A good series. Could the song ‘geet gata hoon main, gungunaata hoon main, maine hansne ka wada kiya tha kabhi is liye ab sada muskurata hoon main’ (Lal Patthar) in response to ‘ponch kar ashk apni ankhon se muskurao to koi baat bane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ays7xJK8UF8
Or we may even think of ‘kisi ne apna bana ke mujhko muskurana sikha diya’ Lata in Patita.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA72LAYKZRg
Thanks to Mr Muli, Mr. Joesph, Canasyaji and last but not the least Hans for a nail biting finish
You’ll must be feeling good to give Husain Bolt a run for his money.
I , as always, loved the way Bhatiaji has said it.
AK,
Congratulation to you on double “k”.
Yes, you were not much involved in the Dream project.
But you are the host you get the credit of inviting such guests.
It is hard for me to participate from PT zone.
I miss the intricacies when things are moving very fast.
I had even missed lock unlock of Canasyaji until I read it in your response to Mr. Muli @ 1016
Mumbaikar8 @ 1019 & 1020
Thanks for the greetings. I agree with you and Bhatiaji that things should move at a regular pace. I think AK is also of the same opinion. Some time back Venkataramanji, asked readers not to flood posts with too many songs so that members can keep pace and listen to the songs. I dont remember the post in which he said this. In the dreams post too at 154, he asked members to slow down the pace as Ashwin was not able to cope with it. I dont know, what inspired him to forget his own advice and suddenly become the Usain Bolt. 😉
The contra post was posted on 10th May and completed its 1000 on the 88th day with an average of 12.3 comments per day. On the other hand dream post achieved this feat 2 minutes before the contra post on its 44th day.
I have looked at my figures. I was away from this post for more than a month. So I was trying to catch up and because of my posting more comments, the things have moved at a faster pace, which I dont like and for which, I am sure, you would excuse me. I returned back at comment 659 and then onwards I posted 115 comments out of 342 upto 1000. My only excuse is that there were many nahla-dahla type of situations where all of us were responding promptly to each other. For the last 300s we have taken 4, 5 and 4 days respectively, which when we see that Bhatiaji, Josephji, Muliji, You and me and our host AK were all contributing handsomely can not be said too fast. But now there is a lull after the storm. So you can enjoy your break.
Regarding the lock-unlock that was a dangerous googly by Canasya, which I could not read immediately and only when I visited the comment nos he mentioned I saw through. And I agree that AK is the hub of all these activities and nobody can take more credit than him.
Mumbaikar8, Hans, Bhatiaji and others,
Thanks a lot for your nice words and your active participation. The theme has expanded in many novel and intricate areas thanks to the readers.
Possible contra pair songs
‘…Kabhi meri gali aaya karo..
&
‘ …Kabhi meri gali mein na aana …’
Gore gore , O …’/ 1951 / SAMADHI / CR / Lata, Amirbai Karnataki & chorus
https://youtu.be/WkErlBw-8_k
& possible contra song…
Bachna Zara yeh…’/ 1955 / MILAP / N Datta / Lata , Rafi & chorus
https://youtu.be/ON5WPESOTWg
Hans ji @1002,
I would not deny that I was working for the victory of the post on ‘Dreams’, but that was after the post reached the 750 mark. Closer to the mark I wanted both the post to cross the 1K together. After posting the 998th (08:47 pm) comment in the post on dreams, I posted a comment to that effect @993 (08:59 pm) in this post. In the meantime, Ashwinji posted a comment and made it 999 (08:52). I was waiting for 999th comment to be posted from your end. In the next 17 minutes (between 09:00pm and 09:17 pm) another 6 comments were posted by you and Josephji, making it 999. I had already typed my next comment in the comment box and was waiting to hit the enter button. I waited for one and a half minutes hoping that the 1000th comment would be posted simultaneously. But I could not accurately time it. If I had waited for some more time…………….but that was not to be. Taqdeer ?
Yes I agree with you that the 1000th comment here coming from me would have been like inviting Rahul Gandhi to do the honours on the achievement of Swachh Bharat Abhiyaan, PM Modi’s dream project. It was another matter that our Rahulji was fated to do the feat here. As Akji said it was appropriate too. It could have been you or Josephji.
Rahulji, thank you for the offer, for posting the 1000th comment here and also for acknowledging my limited contribution to this post (@1011). And you are right the real haqdar is Ak ji.
But Akji is too modest about his role. I should acknowledge his insightful interactions and ready responses which always encouraged the participants to continue their exchanges and exposition on the subject.
Hansji @ 1015,
I do draw attention to mistakes at times. Keeping aside the typographical, grammatical, spelling mistakes and errors due to lack of concentrations, the goof ups that I make are many. But there are many mistakes factual or otherwise, which I believed to be correct at the time of posting. But such mistakes give me the opportunity to get my fact and figures right, get corrected. But I feel really sorry for the other errors. But I welcome the loving mild tick-offs that I receive in the process.
Hansji, I love reading any good story and you provide a quite a few now and then and I love them too.
I will try to narrate the story sometime later as to how I got lost in ‘dreams’ and in the process how I also lost the ‘contra’ somewhere in the ‘dream alleys’. But that may not make an interesting read.
Based on the comments posted in the two posts, I would concede that the quality of comments was superior in the post on contra songs, since it involved brain work, replies and counter replies, understanding the lyrics etc. Most importantly, in the process the number followed involuntarily. But my postings provided the numbers within a short span of time leaving no scope for any discussion/ response whatsoever. I suspect most of the contents might have gone unnoticed.
Between a one man show and a team effort, the team effort is always desirable.
Between the brain and the brawn, no doubt the brain is superior.
Between quality and quantity, it is the quality that counts in the end.
If a due diligence audit is done, the net worth of my comments will have to revalued and written down. However that does not take anything away from the original post and its main stakeholder, Ashwinji.
And thank you everybody for the wonderful series.
Hansji @ 1021,
Yes Hansji, sometime back I did request readers not to flood posts with too many songs so that members can keep pace and listen to the songs. In the dream post too I made a request to slow down the pace as Ashwin was not able to cope with it. And I still hold that opinion. My postings at the post on ‘Dreams’ was an aberration, you may attribute it sudden rush of adrenaline. And at some stage there was a race, you cannot deny it.
‘I dont know, what inspired him to forget his own advice and suddenly become the Usain Bolt.’
Well, I will defer it for another day.
Thanks a lot for sharing your opinion.
Hans @ 1021
I fear, AK might charge me for incitement for my comment @ 239
My intention was to let the post grow organically never wanted to pump up with steroids.
Venkataramanji had quoted Rahat Indori @ 335
I vocal shayar who will be missed terribly.
His contrasting lyrics on “dhuaan”
Dhuan Dhuan – Mission Kashmir
https://youtu.be/W3xcY1yTAhE
Dhuan Dhuan Meenaxi
https://youtu.be/9JjZJU5GfVY
In all the gloom.
Great news for democracy!
Go “Kamala Harris”
Mumbaikar8,
RIP Rahat Indori.
I peeped into your @1026. With you I don’t charge, I am always a defendant. Just wanted to put the record straight.
Kamala Harris great news for democracy? She is the running mate with Biden. VP does not matter much. For Presidential nomination she left the race long back for lack of support. I hope you are not an Indian-American romantic. She is multi-racial alright, in that sense democracy yes, provided the Team wins. Best wishes.
Mumbaikarji,
Yes, victim of the pandemic.
RIP Rahat Indori.
@ 1023
The third angle could be ‘chori chori meri gali aana hai bura, aake bina baat kiye jana hai bura’ – Jaal’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rwcCUlmDs
There is a panjabi song ‘batti baal ke banere utte rakhni aan, gali bhul na jaye chann mera’ which roughly means ‘I keep a light on the boundary wall so that my moon (chann) does not forget my street’. This is my absolute favourite, sung by Shamshad in film Bhangra. The song is picturised on Nishi who was known as ‘Panjabi Madhubala’ in panjabi films. Her chann in the film is Sunder who used to act in comic roles in Hindi films. This may be the 4th dimension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbQN06a85LE
Talking of step function (AKji) and dimensions (Hansji)
Here is a progression of numbers
Tujhe Dekha Tujhe Chaha
Tujhe puja Maine – Chotisi Mulakqat
In this there is a mention of infinity
Anginat saalose meri
Tujhse ek pehchaan hai
https://youtu.be/ITZkamf3edM
Now from infinity we slide down to zero
Bin dekhe aur bin pehchaane
Rum par hum qurban- Jab Pyar Kisise Hota Hai
https://youtu.be/h6d0tcKnNt8
And in between there is Delta also
Chotisi Mulaqat pyar ban gayi
– Chotisi Mulaqat
https://youtu.be/U4iaCga94so
Mr Muli,
Canasya would be happy that his comment has led to some serious mathematics. Long ago, before you had arrived on SoY, I posed some thoughts on mathematical analysis of songs to our experts for serious research, and I had also constituted some committees. But everyone went by its date of publication, though I had declared that it was purely coincidental. Now you and Canasya can take it further. Today is not 1st April 🙂 .
She gives so many reasons why she begs him for his portrait , … she loves him and does not know if they would meet again ,….
………
He gives so many reasons why it is of no use to have his portrait … his portrait is not like him , is lifeless, does not speak…
A possible intra contra song…
‘ Meri tasveer lekar…’/ 1961 / KALA SAMUNDAR / Anand Bakshi / N Datta / Rafi , Asha , Balbir
https://youtu.be/PlpFYiNWgvM
He had a portrait of her with him but soon knows that the portrait cannot be like her due to so many reasons…and says there is nothing like you in this world…
‘ Jo baat tujh mein hai , teree tasvir mein nahi ,…’
A possible intra contra song…
‘Jo baat tujhme…’/ 1963 / TAJ MAHAL / Sahir / Roshan / Rafi
https://youtu.be/K-LpErDQEps
Venkataramanji @ 1024, 1025
Whatever I said was in passing and I told frankly what I thought and most of what I said was based on facts. Whatever you did was also whatever you thought best and there was no need for the explanation. at least for me. I have been saying lot more things which are not to the liking of many and on a number of times I have confronted AK. That is part of the adda culture and he respects me and I respect him. I have differences with Mumbaikar8 too on some issues, though most of times we are on the same page. That does not alter our relationship. Similarly, for you I have huge regard and I call you no.2 and that is true for me. I never write anything to flatter anybody. The amount of varied info you provide will make anyone your fan. So whatever I feel in the present episode of 1k will never force me to change my opinion towards you.
My response here has been necessitated due to fresh points raised by you. You say there was definitely a race and this was only an aberration. The first aberration had already happened at the time of 800. But, I agree that you have a right to make two aberrations. You also admitted you were working for the victory of the other post, but only after 750 mark.
Even if the 750 mark thing was true – which is not – it evoked a natural question, what was the reason. As I stated, there was a gap of 45 days between the posting of these posts. So why it is necessary to post the 1k before this post. And what suddenly changed at 750. This is particularly strange when Ashwin is not able to cope with the influx. He already has a backlog of 300-400 comments, which if he replies one by one would take this past 1500 easily, which target the contra post is not likely to achieve.
To put things in perspective, you posted 29 comments out of 100, from 601-700, which was the highestfor that set of 100 comments. Next was Ashwin who wrote the article and Dr Deshpande came third with 24. So it was not after 750. From 701-800 you posted 43, from 801-900 you posted 31 because you were on a break. But, in the next century your contribution was 86.
I will come to your first para at 1024 later. First let me make it clear that there was no race in the minds of those posting here. I came back at 659 and I have not seen anybody talking about any target. But, on the other post targets have been mentioned on a number of occasions. Here nobody even mentioned or congratulated on reaching 800 or 900. Once only Bhatiaji mentioned it after we reached 700, but nobody took any notice. I mentioned 1000 when you posted a congratulatory message at the time of 900 and mentioned long targets of 1107 etc. I only said we dont go for such targets and said “Looking at that list and the regular participation of other friends, I can say that we can reach 1000. But, if friends vanish, the inspiration vanishes.” This means I was not even sure of 1000 if friends stopped posting comments. But, on your side after you posted 800, pat came congratulatory message from Dr Shetty. And Dr Deshpande who never posted a comment on this post, visited this post to see the time of 800 post here to make sure that sapna post has won the battle and mentioned this fact at 806.
Another thing I may say is that if I had the race in mind, I would not have let you win. I had talked in lighter vein at your at a stretch postings at the time of 800, talking about Durga Maa or Bengali Jadoo. But, I may tell you that I am well aware of the technique you employed at that time of preparing texts in multiple tabs and then posting one after the other to surprise the opponent. Long back when Orkut was functional, I used to post comments by this technique when my comment was long and I did not want any intervening comments or to engage with persons who may respond after my first part was posted. So if I had the race in mind, I could have done the same after your 800 trick. Even after 1k I have about 50 sets ready. At 6.55 pm the contra post had 981 comments and you started at 7.30 with no 929.
As this is turning out to be long, it would be continued in the next part…….
contd. from the last…
Now the first para. First let us look at facts. Contra post stood at 981 at 6.55 pm, at which time sapna post was at 927. Canasya posted 928 at 7.12 pm. You started at 7.30 pm and go to 998 and then said here let us post together 1000th post. What was this. I would not use any words for this situation. At this post (993) I went to the sapna post and saw 999 there. I considered it to be a joke and thought NOT AGAIN. Though I continued to post till 1000, because I had to go for a post-dinner stroll with the family. Now the question arises, did you set any time for the 1000th for us to respond. It is particularly strange because we were not posting comments under some mutual arrangement on this side. How were you so sure that only you would be posting 1000th and nobody else from that side, even if we responded. It would have been another matter if you had set the time before starting posting your 71 comments. Then it would have looked like a friendly and positive gesture.
Now, another thing. AK was wondering on your recall power for finding sapna in the interiors. Recall power mostly functions best with favourite songs. Though I knew that to look for sapna in the antaras, you can go to any lyrics site and find songs in bulk, without listening to them. I am not saying that friends are using this method. But, on looking at your bulk postings on the 1k day, I found you had posted long comments which included lyrics showing sapna in antara. Most of them gave repeated lyrics as the singer repeats while singing. Normally a person typing would not repeat them, but that would be obviously done if one copies and pastes from lyrics sites. Since these sites make a lot of mistakes, it was likely that the mistake will be carried out while doing copy paste and particularly when one is in a hurry. This was more likely in old songs, because these sites make more and more mistakes as we go back in years.
So I researched 2-3 vintage songs and found that the lyrics you posted at 932 of Kanan Devi’s song from Hospital, were taken from the lyrics site ‘lyricstashan’. Looking at the lyrics, I saw there were obvious errors. So I listened to the song carefully 3-4 times and found the relevant lyrics which you posted to be as below:
‘prabhuji -2 tum rakho laaj hamari -2
man ki baat chhupi nahin tumse, gobardhan girdhari’
This site has written ‘joban dhan sari’ for ‘gobardhan girdhari’ and ‘sabse’ for ‘tumse’. Some other sites have written ‘joban dhalke sari’ for the same.
The second antara is thus:
‘kaisa dekh rahi hun sapna,
(kaise dekh rahi hu sapna)
sapna bhi kya hota apna,
(sapno ki kya hota apna)
jo kuchh hua teri marji se,
(jo kuch hua meri marji se)
main thi bholi nari’
(mujhko sone na de)
Look at these lyrics and those of the site, which have made wild guesses at some places. There is huge difference which would have been clear to you if you had the time needed for this.
I am deeply sorry for bringing forth all this, but it was necessary after you said there was a race.
I am posting these two comments from two different tabs like you.
Mumbaikar 8 @ 1026
You have not taken into consideration the fact that when you made that comment, the post with steroidal virus was not even born.
@ 1027
Have you posted the lyrics by Rahat Indori just as a tribute or to show some greatness in them. Because, to me Anand Bakshi made better tukbandi than him.
‘dhuan-dhuan’
‘ruan-ruan’
and what would be next
‘mera dil hai ek kuan-kuan’ 😉
And is Kamala Harris a ‘Devi’ or something, because she has middle name ‘Devi’ added (may be recently) at wikipedia. If the reason is multi-racial as AK suggests, I would say multi-racial is neither good nor bad. Tiger Woods’ earnings were looted by a white and Boris Becker’s by a black. And Meghan, another multi-racial, has Prince Harry pinned to her tail like an Indian Joru Ka Gulam.
Hans @1035,1036,
You have addressed your comments to Venkataramanji but I could not help coming in to say that I felt anguished at your tone which questioned his motives as if he was gaming for one post or the other. When the two authors were not bothered about any milestone, it is unfortunate that the exchange between two readers should create this kind of impression. Both of you are highly respected by the SoY community and both of you also share respect for each other. If some readers participated in one or the other post more, and coincidentally both happened to be moving towards an interesting landmark in tandem, the readers turning that into a race is all in good fun. I get to see all the comments in real time, and you must have realised that I deliberately kept myself away near the final tape lest I gave an impression of racing.
I have to acknowledge that the comments on the two posts have been huge learning experience for me, and I have to especially thank you and Venkataramanji among others whom I have also acknowledged earlier. I am grateful to both of you and other readers for enhancing my understanding. Let us celebrate this Independence Day with three cheers for the great SoY family.
Possible contra pair songs…
Chadhe chanda toh …/ 1961 / Prem Dhawan / CHITRAGUPT / Aplam Chaplam / Lata
https://youtu.be/eKd_NrgydFk
& the possible contra song…
Chaand dhalne laga…/ 1961 / BD Mishra / AMRIT MANTHAN / SNT / Lata
https://youtu.be/wZ2o9jrSZvw
AK
I know very well that you keep away from any race. At 796, you replied to 11 of Josephji’s comments in one go and you have been doing this regularly. You could have bifurcated that comment and posted other comments to complete 800. Similarly Ashwin is also out of this because he is on a long break. I have no problems with some friends posting in the sapna post. I mentioned this in my reply to Muliji at 1018. In fact some of the friends here did not post there because Ashwin was overworked, Mumbaikar8 even said it. I also posted there when I found some. You know I had even forgotten about this post for over a month, mostly because of being busy at home as well as posting songs at the Naseem Bano post. I even did not post on Madan Mohan post, though without doubt he is my favourite MD. So every body has the choice to post where ever he or she likes.
Having said this, I would say that there was no situation of moving to a goal in tandem and I have made it clear that nobody on this side was keen on any race. I acknowledge you have a right to be anguished and you have also a right to choose on which situation you will feel anguished and on which not. But, I emphatically deny that my tone was such which questioned his motives. In fact he has admitted himself that he was going for the victory of the other post. I had seen all that was happening earlier, but refrained from commenting. Only when he tried to justify what he did and also stated that we were in a race, I stated my point of view which is based on facts. You can point out if any of facts I stated is wrong. You can also see Venkataramanji’s reply to Dr Shetty at 1026 on the sapna post, which would show that we were on normal course and he only started a one side race.
Whatever I have stated is quite clear to anybody with brains posting on SOY. This is quite evident from the situation post that bombardment. All the fun and enjoyment has gone. Here we completed 300 in 13 days and now we are half into the 8th day and not even 50 comments have been posted. Of these 50 less than one fourth are related to songs and others are of general nature. How this happened. This is because friends here felt bad. I swallowed the bitter pill and took up the matter, which I did believing it is for the betterment of SOY.
There is no doubt that Venkataramanji is a dear friend to me and I have huge respect for him, but it is the duty of a true friend to point out the mistake of the other. During the course of Mr Lalwani’s post on SDB, there was an exchange of ideas between him and me. Whatever he said to me, I took in that spirit. Even on sapna post when I posted comment mistaking the pm time as am time, Venkataramanji pointed out my mistake and I corrected it. Without his friendly interjection there could have been a misunderstanding in the minds of Ashwin and Dr Shetty. Not only that, I remember once when I said something of the sort that I would quit posting on SOY, Mumbaikar8 rebuked me like a true friend. Whatever I have done in pointing out his mistake, is in the same spirit. I have always been of the opinion that brushing things under the carpet is bad. If I had not taken up the matter, I would have failed in my duty to other friends on the SOY.
And as always I agree with you our SOY family is great and unique. And to continue in that spirit, I would ask pardon from Venkataramanji for whatever I have written and request him to continue posting his comments. Let us forget and forgive. I request all other friends to continue the fun and enjoyment. Here is a song for the occasion.
Ehsan mere dil pe tumhara hai dosto – Gaban – Rafi – SJ – Hasrat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGfG_VmZKY
Three days and no songs, what has happened. Let me start.
In Zindagi, Rajendra Kumar has a misunderstanding with Vyjyantimala and she lives away from him. He sings the song to a boy who is his own son, but, he does not know.
‘muskura ladle muskura, koi bhi phool itna nahin khoobsurat,
hai jitna ye mukhda tera’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGQN0xwx9V0
In Dhool Ka Phool, he ditches Mala Sinha, who becomes an unwed mother and what she gets to sing.
‘tu mere pyar ka phool hai ya meri bhool hai kuchh kah nahi sakti’
Hans,
This is a nice contra pair. There is no problem in a normal birth, and if a child is born out of wedlock – no fault of the child or its biological parents – our orthodox society finds it problematic. In many societies it is not an issue at all.
Hasarat – SJ – Lata providing contra
Submissive Nimmi
Main Piya teri tu mane ya na mane – Basant Bahar
https://youtu.be/dFgE9Z63wa8
Defiant Asha
Parayi hun parayi – Kanyadan
https://youtu.be/fyRefEVPYxA
A possible contra pair…
‘ Chaand phir nikla…/ 1957 / PAYING GUEST / Majrooh Sultanpuri / SDB / Lata
https://youtu.be/ii8D7gNn318
& The possible contra song….
‘ Phir wahi chaand…’ / 1957 / BAARISH / Rajinder Krishan/ CR / Lata , CR
https://youtu.be/ayrJfNGoul0
Muliji
Can we take Rafi’s ‘ab wo hamare ho gaye, ikrar karen ya na karen’ from Safar as contra to ‘main piya teri, tu mane ya na mane’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAVkRFut-kY
Mr Muli, Hans,
I am following your discussion on who belongs to whom with interest. On this I remembered this song, and it has left me confused where to place it. Experts to give their finding.
Tu auron ki kyon ho gayi by Kishore Kumar from Ek Baar Muskura Do (1972), lyrics Indeevar, music OP Nayyar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwgq6y_lA5Q
तुझको आज बताना होगा
क्या थी वो मजबूरी
साथ उम्र भर का देना था
दे दी उम्र भर की दूरी
कितने अटल थे तेरे इरादे
याद तो कर तू वफ़ा के वादे
तूने कहा था, खाकर क़समें
सदा निभायेंगे प्यार की रस्में
तू औरों की क्यों हो गयी
तू हमारी थी, जान से प्यारी थी
तेरे लिये मैंने दुनिया सँवारी थी
तू औरों की क्यों हो गयी …
प्यार की मस्ती तूने न चाही
तूने तो चाहा चाँदी का प्याला
आँसू किसी के क्या तू पहनती
तुझको पहननी थी मोती की माला
हो, तुझको पहननी थी मोती की माला
पग पग पर विश्वास के बदले
छला करेगी तुझको शंका
आग के लपटों में लिपटी है
ये तेरी सोने की लंका
तू औरों की क्यों हो गयी …
क्या ये तेरे सुख के साधन
मेरी याद को भुला सकेंगे
मेरी याद जब नींद उड़ा देगी
क्या ये तुझको सुला सकेंगे
हो, क्या ये तुझको सुला सकेंगे
साधन में सुख होता नहीं है
सुख जीवन की एक कला है
मुझसे ही छल किया न तूने
अपने को तूने आप छला है
तू औरों की क्यों हो गयी …
तेरे लिये मैं लाया बहारें
तेरे लिये मैं जान पे खेला
दो दिन भी तूने राह न देखी
छोड़ के चल दी मुझे अकेला
हो, छोड़ के चल दी मुझे अकेला
तेरी जुदाई मेरी चिता है
ग़म की चिता में मैं जल रहा हूँ
मन मेरा दहके मरघट जैसा
अंगारों पे मैं चल रहा हूँ
तू औरों की क्यों हो गयी …
तू हमारी थी, जान से प्यारी थी
तेरे लिये मैंने दुनिया सँवारी थी
तू औरों की क्यों हो गयी …
This fake Shammi Kapoor is not interested in seeking a bona fide answer to his query. The way this question is posed to the lady, it permits only one answer. That she is the guilty party who has betrayed the man for selfish reasons. Such leading questions will be thrown out by a judge. It is also very rare in films too, normally these are expressed as soft laments that things went so wrong between them.
Hansji @ 1045
Yes it is A nice contra to main Piya teri
Rafi says ab wo hamare hote Gaye
While lata’s words are main Piya teri
Both are however indifferent
To counterpart’s decision .
For a person who has very limited knowledge of pre 50 songs it is hard to believe that its Rafi’s voice.
Akji @1046
Tu auro ki has to belong to a separate category. Despite all the raging & leading questions asked by fake Shammi it still falls short of plaintiff cum pleader cum judge all rolled into one and original Dharam pronouncing
Tu phool bane patjhad ka
There are 2 interesting points about Ek Baar Muskoora Do
1 Except for ye Dil lekar nazarana all the other songs are unlike OPN
2 Joy has no song filmed on him
The nearest contra to this song which comes to my mind is
Tum meri ho – Aan Baan – Hasarat – SJ
https://youtu.be/hCfidlYn2G0
Here Rajendra Kumar is at least giving a chance to Rakhi to come clean & she is readily obliging.
Mr Muli,
The most brazen declaration that you are mine is in Main tera boyfriend tu meri girlfriend, haan mainu kah di na na na na. Though the lady declares:
Tera aitbaar nahin,
Karna main pyar nahin
Kyun mera peechha karda,
her skimpy dress and dancing in close physical contact with the man, does not match with her words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQS7i2z1CoA
The older generation was more genteel:
Tum agar mujhko na chaaho to koi baat nahin,
Tum kisi aur ko chaahegi to mushkil hogi
This is not a threat, it is only a sincere pleading that he would feel bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f4q-rQLjz8
AK ji @1046, Muli ji , Hans ji,;
I never liked the song and its picturisation . It seems the fake Shammi is riding horse and as a jockey …. wants to reach finish line….. but lost the track. Yes it was unlike of OPN . Look at other cool one….Tera jaana …from Anari . A song that is etched in our mind …memory recall bank !
The constrasting games of roothna- manana
Net practice
For Rajendra Kumar & and Vaijayanti mala
Tum roothi raho – Aas ka Panchi – Hasrat – SJ
https://youtu.be/Xbnj55AUtXE
Sicilian defense for chivalrous Dev Anand and it is so effective that within 2 Antaras Nutan resigns
Dekho rootha na karo -Tere Ghar Ke Saamne – Hasrat – SDB
https://youtu.be/0uMVhk5-cF8
Danish Gambit for Rajesh Khanna
Jana hai to jao manayege nahi – Doli- Indeevar-KA
https://youtu.be/Q0ZImcWaqCo
And end game for Geeta bali
Ruth ke tum to chal diye – Jalati Nishani- Quamar Jalalabadi- Anil Biswas
https://youtu.be/KNKSDzKQu80
Mr Muli,
Wonderful.
A possible intra contra song…
‘ muhabbat me tadpane se karar aata hai iss dil ko , jo jalim dil ko tadpaye wahi bhaata hai iss dil ko…’
‘Mohabbat mein tadapne…’ / 1958 / HILL STATION / SH Bihari /Hemant Kumar / Lata
https://youtu.be/6nZFjwXKfZg
A possible intra contra song…
‘vo khushnasib hai jinko yahaan qaraar mila , hame to dil jo mila, vo bhi beqaraar mila…’
‘ Wo khush naseeb …’/ 1958 / HILL STATION / SH Bihari /Hemant Kumar / Hemant
https://youtu.be/yzSD-Xq1458
A possible intra contra song…
Everyone readily receives money but do not give it away readily
‘ Lene se inkar nahin , dene ko taiyyar nahin …’
A possible intra contra song ..
‘ Lene se inkar …’/ 1954 / AMARDEEP / Rajinder Krishan / CR / Rafi
https://youtu.be/QdoFkFzlhh8
Rahulji @ 1051,
You have drawn a nice parallel between Rootna – Manana songs and Chess openings/moves.
Can this song be included in your series?
Shatranj ki chal hamari shatranj ki chal hamari
Tu ranj na karna pyari tujhe jeet ke le jayenge……
Chota sa ek sipahi kar jaye wo tabahi
Magrur badshahi rah jaye hath mal ke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJP1macr6F4
AK, Muliji @ 1046 – 1049
Good contrast between old and new songs. Warning : Dont look for logic in modern song picturisation and lyrics. I agree old songs were sophisticated. Dilip Kumar said ‘hum wo nahin jo pyar men rokar gujar de, parchhain bhi ho teri to thokar pe maar den, wakif hain hum bhi khoob har ek intaqam se’ – Dil Diya Dard Liya. And look at the lyrics of ‘tera bhi kisi pe dil aaye’ from Ek Sapera Ek Sapera.
‘tu jise chahe wo tere dil se begana rahe
tujhko bhi duniya kisi jalim ka deewana kahe
meri tarah betab rahe, raton ko bekhab rahe
tu jiski tamanna di se kare, wo naam se tere ghabraye’
Muliji @ 1051
Continuing the roothna manana songs in chess terminology.
Here is the first one where the king is waiting to be check-mated from the start like a King-Rook vs King ending. Chitragupta-Lata magic never ended.
Kab tak huzoor roothe rahoge leke gusse men pyar – Lata – Aulad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL1ZC90wuJM
The second one is from Jwar Bhata. Singer is again Lata. Here Saira Banu knows the all flight squares are blocked as king Dharmendra is about to be check-mated.
Rootha hai to mana lenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFtzzeWdtX0
These were pre-marriage situations. But, post-marriage is a different setting. She blocked the straight lines thinking he will move like a Rook and the diagonals for his Bishop jumps. But, he kept jumping like the Knight over her pieces and she did not have enough pieces to block all 8 squares. So in frustration she upturned the chess board.
Roothe roothe piya manaun kaise – Kora Kazaz – Lata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lop50ih6VRs
Hansji @ 1056
Brilliant as usual .
Kab tak hujoor is my favourite from the days when it was played almost daily on AAP hi ke Geet program.its contra from jwar bhata pales in comparison .
Venkataramanji @1057
Yes it can be and it may be pawn promotion.
hum pyar ka sauda karte hain… & kar na sake hum pyar ka sauda…
A possible contra pair…
‘ Hum pyar ka sauda kartey hain ek baar , chahe mit jaayen chahe mar jaayen…’
‘ Hum pyar ka sauda…’/ 1964 / ZINDAGI / Hasrat Jaipuri / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/-CYU3mhTeDk
& the possible contra song …
‘ Kar na sake hum pyar ka Sauda , keemat hi kuch aisi thhi …’
‘ Kar na sake hum…’/ 1992 / KAL KI AAWAZ / Samir / Nadeen Shravan / Asha , Kumar Sanu
https://youtu.be/cu4PC4cOE-g
A possible intra contra song…
‘ …pooje sabhi kale bhagwan ko ,
aur thukraye sab kale insan ko…’
‘ …surat toh kali chupa na saku ,
kitna ujala hai dil ye dikha na saku…’
‘ Krishna O kaale…’ / 1964 / MAI BHI LADKI HOON / Rajinder Krishan / Chitragupt / Lata
https://youtu.be/DH9YfoQk_RI
Akji, Hansji, Venkataramanji
In one aspect Hindi films , specially the formula films resemble Cricket and that aspect is that most of them are fixed. We can predict the twists & turns and usually no matter how curvy is the turn, end is flat
( No doubt there are exceptions).
So here are few cricketing contrasts
Mala Sinha here has a close shave and escapes unscathed despite, Shammi’s hectic overtures .
Nazar bachakar chale Gaye wo – Dil Tera Diwana
https://youtu.be/Tfy08HYgya0
But Saira Bano is bamboozled by Vishwajeet’ s googley ( which He himself was unable to read properly many times)
Unki pahali Nazar kya asar jar gayi – April Phool
https://youtu.be/b3moD0tZBg4
And in this case Saira again but now against Ageing Jubilee Kumar and is clean bowled .
Unse Mili Nazar – Zhuk gaya Aasman
https://youtu.be/5i160jmz6JI
And this also is the hattrick for Hasarat & SJ combination.
Rahulji @ 1063,
That was wonderful.
If you expect me match your Originality/ imagination I would only disappoint you.
But I can share a borrowed idea. I can recall a song based on which AKji wrote a short piece, on the occasion of the World cup , a mast read/ must read article (04/11/2011).
The World Cup mania: A song to cricket
Here is the link to the song,
She Ne Khela He Se Aaj Cricket Match
Ek nazar mein dil bechaara ho gayaa LBW
Md.Rafi, Love Marriage (1959), Hasrat Jaipuri, Shankar Jaikishan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-S_Y8rGH4
Hope you will be able to accommodate it.
The link to the post
The World Cup mania: A song to cricket
https://www.songsofyore.com/the-world-cup-mania-a-song-to-cricket/
Muliji
Nice cricket narrative. Let me also try.
You know fast bowlers like to stare down the batsmen, who mostly avoid those stares. In the same way, after watching the fate of Saira Bano, this girl sings in Sazaa, ‘dhak dhak dhak jia kare dhak, ankhiyon men ankhian daal ke na tak’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq-fOQkYxWw
And now just like the lone recognised batsman farming the strike to save the tail-enders, this person Sudesh Kumar asks Nanda ‘ruk ruk chamke jhuk jhuk chamke kyun sari mehfil pe, o bin badal ki bijli aa gir ja mere dil pe’ – Pehli Raat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMxjb4dNb3M
Your mention of the words flat and googley, brought to mind our googley king BS Chandrasekhar. He was batsmen’s nightmare and bowlers delight. He got his stumps flattened as regularly as he himself flattened others stumps with his googlies. Now look at this Kishore Kumar song from Sheesham ‘dil ho gaya shanty flat’. Nazim Panipati has given adequate matching words for KK to work upon the song in his favourite style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IatOrq9aFsk
There are a number of female songs, where the ‘bachpan’ is remembered and ‘jawani’ is cursed. Most of them are contra songs because ‘jawani’ is also liked in these songs. For example look at ‘dhadke mera dil mujhko jawani ram kasam na bhaye bachpan yaad aaye’ from Babul. In the antaras she sings lines like ‘kaun sune balam bin dil ki baat kahi na jaye’ and ‘bal bal jaun kaga par jo pee ka sandesa laye’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewf71Toj6sk
Now look at this song from 1971 film Pyar Ki Kahani, where she says ‘umar hai satra saal itni lambi choti hai’ and her sakhis chant ‘baby tu chhoti hai’ and proceed trying to convince her she is really chhoti.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtmdcQTQdw
‘….din hai bahar ke tere mere ikrar ke , dil ke sahare aaja pyar kare …
dushman hai pyar ke jab lakho gam sansar ke, dil ke sahare kaise pyar kare ?
A possible intra contra song….
‘ Din hai bahaar… ‘/ 1965 / WAQT / Sahir Ludhyanvi / Ravi / Asha , Mahendra Kapoor
https://youtu.be/JWpi2r6UiXA
‘ ….bemuravvat bewafaa begana-e-dil aap hai , aap maane yaa na maane mere kaatil aap hai…’
May fit in as an intra contra song…
‘ Bemuravat bewafa begana- e- dil…’ / 1966 / SUSHILA / Jan Nisar Akhtar / C Arjun / Mubarak Begum
https://youtu.be/SPBthDTld1k
Posting after a long gap
Offer + acceptance = promise
Wada kar le sajana tere bina main Na rahoo- ——- ye wada raha
Haath ki Safai
https://youtu.be/9nkADFXXL0s
Offer is rejected & hence there is no promise
Sajana saath nibhana
Kisne saath nibhyaya
Doli
https://youtu.be/4F4Db5BekHI
A possible contra pair…
‘…ye waada karo chaand ke saamane , bhoola to naa doge mere pyaar ko ,
mere haath mein haath de do jaraa ,
sahara milega mere pyar ko…’
‘ Ye waada karo…/ 1956 / RAJHATH / SJ / Hasrat Jaipuri / Mukesh , Lata
https://youtu.be/ibuN4lFQt_Q
& the contra song…
‘ tumhe yaad hoga kabhi hum mile thhe , mohabbat ki raho me mil ke chale thhe,
bhula do mohabbat me hum tum mile thhe , sapna hi samjho ke mil ke chale thhe… ‘
‘ Tumhe yaad hoga…’/ 1959 / SATTA BAZAR / Gulshan Bawra / Kalyanji Anandji / Hemant , Lata
https://youtu.be/nLl34jZYYSY
Muliji
Welcome back.
Two different type of wada songsfrom the 40s. In the first one from Duniya- 1949, sung by Rafi and composed by CR, he is not able to understand the meaning of ‘the wada’,
‘Is wade ka matlab kya samjhun, aasaan bhi hai dushwar bhi hai,
hothon pe hansi, abru pe shikan, ikrar bhi hai inkar bhi hai.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL-m7KL3egQ
In the second both have a perfect understanding.
Chale aana more raja wada yaad karke – Heera-1947 – Paro and Durrani.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ueeJkx2jrQ
Josephji’s ‘ye wada karo chand ke samne’ brought to mind two different sets of songs.
‘Dam bhar jo udhar moonh phere’ from Awara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5JruUDe5XU
In the above song the shy pair ask ‘chanda’ to turn his face the other way. In ‘gup chup gup chup pyar karen’ again the pair is shy and requesting ‘chanda’ to hide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0o2D3XxBCg
In the next two songs, they are doing the opposite, asking ‘chanda’ to be a witness.
Ae chanda tu dena gawahi – Holiday in Bombay (1963)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bvgY0EYD3Q
In the above song both are singing in unison about the gawahi matter, but in the next song Surinder Kaur has taken up the case of Madhubala to ask ‘chanda’ for his gawahi in film Singaar – 1949. What a gem.
‘Chanda re main teri gawahi lene aayi,
mose baalam ne dekh le teri chhaiyan men hai preet lagayi.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YWlliAzvXw
Fasana creating tension.
The first one has tension because he could not tell his ‘fasana’.
Hum apne dil ka fasana unhen suna na sake – Actress – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX4mfMggqB8&t=136s
The second one is under tension because people have told his wrong ‘fasana’ to his lover, which he wants she should forget.
Dil ki awaz bhi sun mere fasane pe na ja – Humsaya – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uOmFWDCZU
And now the third one is tense because her hakikat is being taken as a fasana.
Ye afsana nahin zalim mere dil ki hakikat hai – Dard – Shamshad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRLuIVsvj94
Most of us have listened to this song. And there are a number of songs supporting the same philosophy.
Apne liye jiye to kya jiye – Badal – Manna Dey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQTynMiyDso
Sahir had long before this song written the exact opposite song.
Apni khatir jeena hai apni khatir marna hai – Dhool Ka Phool – Mahendra Kapoor and Sudha Malhotra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLrMWVRZlVw
A possible intra contra song…
‘…pukaaraa hai tujhe manzil ne lekin mai kahaan jaaun ? bichhadakar teri duniyaa se kahaan mera thikaana hai ? shikaayat kyaa karun dono taraf gam kaa fasaana hai…’
‘ Shikayat kya karoon…’/ 1955 / KUNDAN / Shakeel Badayuni / Ghulam Mohammad / Lata
https://youtu.be/t_hMI9tjR2Q
A possible intra contra song…
‘ …do dilo ki chaahte duniya ki namanjuriya , muskuraane hi se pahale pyaar kyon rone laga ?
ishk me jo kuchh naa hona tha, vahi hone laga…’
‘ Gham ki Wadi…’/ 1952 / SAQI / Rajinder Krishan / CR / Lata
https://youtu.be/BIz2MpHzZEY
A possible intra contra song…
‘ …gale humse milkar , khushi ro rahi hai , chaman hans raha hai , kali ro rahi hai …’
‘ Jahan wale tere…’ / 1958 / PARVARISH / Hasrat Jaipuri / Dattaram Wadkar / Lata
https://youtu.be/hAAJ6YyABco
A possible intra contra song…
‘ mar gaye hum jeete jee malik tere sansar mein , O chal diya hamko khivaiya chhod ke majhadhar mein ,
malik tere sansar mein mar gaye hum…’
‘ Mar gaye hum…’/ 1954 / SHABAB / Shakeel Badayuni / Naushad / Lata
https://youtu.be/Bka0-3vv7dE
Fasana , Afasana, Kahani there is is thin line of demarcation between these words.
Rafi sings ” Dil ka suna saaj tarana dhoondega ” in which the first antara is ,
Log mere khwaboko churake
dhalenenge afasanome
Mere dil ki aag bategi
Duniya ke parwano me
Waqt mere geeto ka khajana dhoondega
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v62_-JTtVIU
Ek Nari Do Roop _ Asad Bhopali – Ganesh
While Mukesh renders the following
Kal koi mujhko yaad kare
Kun koi mujhko yaad kare
Masroof jamana mere liye
qun waqt apna barbaad kare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGqpVYjLUw
Kabhi Kabhie- Sahir _ Khayyam
Now almost everybody knows that Rafi has rendered the first song but not many know the lyricist ( Asad Bhopali)
As such Sahir’s lines are apt for a lyricist ( generally remembered last barring few exceptions) while Asad’s lines are fit for a singer. Even SOY lists only 6 lyricists which is the lowest number of entries under any head.
AK ji , Hans ji
Sawan and sajan/Piya/balam is as soon a pair in HFM as AB and LP .
Here are different shades of this combination
1 Expectant
Raato ko chori chori bole mora Kangana Able jo barakha aaye aayenge sajana – Mohabbat zindagi hai- Asha – SH Bihari- OPN
https://youtu.be/zBiMLZhPT2Q
2 Dejected
Sawan aaya badal aaye
Mere Piya nahi aaye -Jan Hajir Hai- Dilraj Kaur- Shaily Shailendra-Jai Parte
https://youtu.be/sFn_i8tABpw
3 Indifferent
Sawan aaye ya na aaye jiya jab jhoome sawan hai – Dil Diya Dard Liya – Shakeel – Naushad
https://youtu.be/tBSbnKHvsW8
4 Usually sawan is a leading inddicator and then sajan may or may not arrive but in this song sawan lags behind sajan
Aaoge jab tum o sajana
Barasega sawan , barsega sawan
Jhoom jhoom ke do dil aise milenge
– Jab We Met – Ustad Rashid Khan-Faiz Anwar-Sandesh Shandilya
https://youtu.be/WPwTPhFMm3k
A possible intra contra song…
‘…hum pyar karna sakta ke nahi sakta ? hum aankh ladana sakta ke nahi sakta ?
O pyar jatane wale kya tera mera sath ? Meri phulo jaisi jawani , tere kaato jaise hath …’
‘ Hum pyar karna…/ 1951 / Qamar Jalalabadi / SHABISTAN / CR / Lata , CR
https://youtu.be/MrhKAqS-qeI
Muliji @ 1080
Yes, afsana and fasana are one and the same thing and kahani is its hindi. There are so many great songs with both the words.
Sunil Dutt tells Mala Sinha ‘wo afsana jise anjam tak lana na ho mumkin, use ik khoobsoorat mod dekar chhodna achha’ and Dilip Kumar tells Nargis ‘meri kahani boolne wale tera jahan abaad rahe’. The same sentiments expressed with use of different words.
But, look at Nanda. She is searching the eyes of Dev Anand and he in turn is keeping her guessing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1X5TbYfUkI
The word kahani has been used beautifully in songs which told a story. In fact afsana has rarely been used in such situations. Like ‘ye kahani hai diye ki aur toofan ki’ was used to denote the struggles of an adolescent in Toofan Aur Diya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-igwb2tYpA
And in Rajput-1982, the kahani of diya/baati was turned into a lori.
Kahaniya sunati hai pawan aati jati – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHEZ0zw1BE
Muliji @ 1081
There were lyricists who connected sawan ka mahina with ‘zulf’. Here is a sample. OPN put the soul of Asha Bhosle and Geeta Dutt in Vani Jairam for this song.
Zulf lehrai to sawan ka mahina aa gaya – Khoon Ka Badla Khoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZnZdCRb678
But, look at this one from Sawan Ko Aane Do. He is waiting to write songs on her after sawan arrives.
Tumhen geetton men dhalunga sawan ko aane do – Jaspal Singh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxziCYx1iqM
And look at Dev Anand he makes another use of sawan in Sharabi.
Sawan ke mahine men ik aag si seene men – Rafi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-4stK4F7Ow
Ak ki , Hansji
Chand has been a very handy object for HF lyricists. They have forced chand to play varied roles . Sample this
1 Bystander – dum bhar jo udhar mooh fere
2 postman – Chanda re Mori Patiya le ja
3 Security ( Y grade perhaps) – Wo Chand kaha wo jaye
4 Magistrate – wo raat ke musafir
But most commonly Chand is used to describe Heroine’s beauty. There are countless songs of this type.
But for the contra I am using the following :
1 Ek raat me do do Chand khile
Barkha- Rajinder krishan- Chitragupt
https://youtu.be/R9I06HdOyZE
& Kaisi haseen – – –
Ek Chand Aasma pe hai Ek mere saath hai – Aadmi- Shakeel- Naushd
https://youtu.be/ULh0XPRYpvo
In both these songs hero is using Chand as a replica of his love
3 And consider this where the heroine is considering Chand as a replica of her love.
Raato Ko chori chori – Mohabbat Zindagi Hai-SH Bihari-O P Nayyar
https://youtu.be/zBiMLZhPT2Q
Where the first Antara goes
Do Chand hoge meri Atariya
Ek to gagan me hoga
Duja more angana
Can 3 be considered contra to 1 &2
A possible intra contra song…
She says this merciless doctor will give you some ailment rather than cure
‘ …kana kubda langda loola budha doctor aayega , dawa to kya dega wo jalim rog lagake jayega…’
‘ Kaana , kubda , langda…’/ 1957 / EK GAON KI KAHANI / / Salil / Asha
https://youtu.be/VU45_7HJHLQ
A possible intra contra song…
She says delay in marriage would break her heart , but he says that marriage has many headaches so avoid marriage.
‘ ho chat mangani to pat shadi
na dil ko todo ji , bade lafde hai shadi me ye lafde chhodo ji…’
‘Ho chat mangni …/ 1958 / CHAALBAAZ / Chitragupt / Anjuman Jaipuri / Geeta , Rafi
https://youtu.be/QePRQkPTTYUĺm
Mr S Joseph @1053, 1054, 1055, 1062, 1076, 1077, 1078, 1082, 1086, 1087,
I admire your capacity to discover such nice intra-contra songs.
@1061, 1071,
Nice contra pair of songs.
@1069,
I was not able to locate intra-contra in Bemurrawat bewafa begana-e-dil aap hain.
@1079,
You would remember Shabab had another superb intro-contra song on the same jeena-marna theme – Marna teri gali mein, jeena teri gali mein.
Mr Muli @1063, Hans @1066,
This is very intelligent. I remember SJ had earlier done another song on the same theme in Main Nashe Mein Hun – Nazar nazar se ho rahi baat pyar ki:
https://youtu.be/UxhJqDTVPIo
I was just thinking whether it fits any cricket analogy. The club dancer is quite brazen and in-your-face. Raj Kapoor is feeling stiff because he is conscious of his good lady. But a few drinks, and he too gets in the mood. Is this like Indian team’s tour to Pakistan once after a long hiatus? The warmth and welcome that was shown by them was unexpected. But it being an Indo-Pak match, the Indian team was a little frosty to start with. But with some partying they enjoyed the whole event.
@1081,
Can we add one more, ‘Nostalgic’?
5. Nostalgic
Sawan mein barkha sataye pal pal chihn chin barse/ Tere bina man tarse
https://youtu.be/OY44ebddTM8
Hans @1073,
Dum bhar jo udhar munh phere: I was thinking of a perfect contra to this song. And I think here is one by Kanan Devi from the film Jawab (1942):
Ae chaand chhup na jana
https://youtu.be/G2-GkUUwjsg
AK ji;
Thanks for posting of…..Ae chaand chhup na jana ….a great vintage song and hearing after a gap of time thrilled me. Chand itself is a romantic symbol and may be many poets and prose writers tagged it worth of honeymoon.
Incidently Rangan ji wrote a beautiful post on Chand and a number of active members contributed a lot of songs on this theme. Revisiting that post would be a treat for those who missed the bus .
Hans ji , Ak ji, Joseph ji ;
Its a great pleasure listening to intra contra songs posted from time to time. While listening to happy songs…..I am equally carried away with sad ones. I will try to post such sad songs too….and here is one of oldies where Mukesh sang his heart out with emotion filled pathos.
Wafa Jinse Ki Bewafa Ho Gaye {HD} – Old Sad Song | Rajendra Kumar, Meena Kumari | Pyaar Ka Saagar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP6sUC2U6MI
Muliji, @ 1085
Very nice comparison. In all these songs you mentioned, the lyricists had a healthy respect for the moon and provided him with respectable jobs. But, Gulzar to look different compared moon to ‘bheekh ka katora’. Horrible.
Roj akeki aaye – Lata – Mere Apne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogDsv3nJr_I
In the other set you gave situations where they compared the lover with chand. But, here in Piya Milan Ki Aas, she finds out that she was mistaken in thinking him as a chand.
Man ki gagariya men tu chamka – Lata and Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvfgFonNeiQ
Josephji, @ 1086
What a song. I never heard that no seen the film. Now I would like to see. Thanks.
AK @ 1089
I have another option for song posted by you. You remember in old days fielders like Solkar stood very close to the batsman at short leg or silly point. This song may fit here. I have imagined what they must be talking through the eyes. Fielder would say यार एक कैच दे दे and batsman would say यार थोड़ा पीछे हो जा.
I think in the nostalgic category there would be many. In what category would you put ‘na na na barso badal’ from Samrat Prithviraj Chauhan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i26cab4QC2U
@ 1090
This is a great recall from so old a film. But in the end he sleeps. But, hindi films are full of contra songs. ‘Ae chand chhup na jana’ has a contra in ‘ae chand zara chhup ja’ from Latt Sahab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTHjk5pS_1I
A possible intra contra song…
‘…gusse se mat dekho hamko karo na aanhke lal , bade bado ki hamne babu kardi sidhi chal .
kyu kaisi kahi ?
tum jo ho so ho lekin khuda to nahi…’
‘ Tum jo ho …/ 1966 / BIRADARI / Prem Dhawan / Chitragupt / Manna Dey ,Rafi
https://youtu.be/uhpMWP3MNmM
A possible intra contra song…
‘…jara thahar jara thahar
tujhe samjhau jindagi kya hai , jo aaj tak na mili tujhko wo khushi kya hai ,
dil todna kisi ka ye zindagi nahi hai…
‘ Dil todna kisi ka…’ / 1964 / POOJA KE PHOOL / Rajinder Krishan / MM / Lata
https://youtu.be/30-ggBk4XyU
A possible intra contra song…
‘teri khatir sitam dil par gavaaraa kar liyaa maine , kahaa kisne muhabbat se kinara kar liyaa maine ;
jo khushi se chot khaye ,
vo jigar kaha se lau(2) ,
kisi aur ko jo dekhe ,
vo najar kaha se lau(2)
jo khushi se chot khaye…’
‘ Jo khushi se…/ 1953 / DIL-E-NADAN / Shakeel Badayuni / Ghulam Mohammad / Talat
https://youtu.be/GYs_56uWEtM
‘…A possible intra contra song…
‘ maangane se jo maut mil jati, kaun jeeta iss zamane mein , dard hota na bekali hoti, dum na ghut-tha yu virane mein ; maangane se jo maut mil jati, kaun jeeta iss zamane mein…’
‘ Maangne se jo maut…’/ 1966 / SUNAHRE KADAM / Mahendra Pran / Bulo C Rani / Lata
https://youtu.be/CiYIqGS0LCY
A possible intra contra song…
‘Jhoot ka deep kabhi na jalataa sach ki jyot amar hai ,
tere man me khot nahi to tujhako kisakaa dar hai…’
Jhoot ka deepak…’ / 1959 / GUEST HOUSE / Prem Dhawan / Chitragupt / Rafi
https://youtu.be/2TZo-r2VDew